Where does the Pope get his authority?

[Big Boy Johnson]

Peter stood up and said let's pick a replacement for JUDAS

And then Jesus installed Paul and the guy they appointed to replace Peter was never heard of again!

Paul will be one of the 12 Apostles ruling with Jesus, not this other guy

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL
Studying Catholicism is not “my homework”!
You gave a half truth…I listed the plethora of “titles”, then you repeated them…

And you're a liar.
YOU listed them as mere "descriptions"" of the "ONE" title you claimed he had:
"... the pope’s official title is:
“Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ"

Get over yourself . . .

 

[quietthinker]

And that's why the Pope's official title is, "The Servant of the Servants of God."

Any person with insight can see the truth of the matter!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Swing and a miss.

lol--- really?

Peter stood up and said let's pick a replacement for JUDAS

Nope.
To pick a successor for Judas's office (Acts 1:20).

Don't you have access to a Bible?

 

[BreadOfLife]

And then Jesus installed Paul and the guy they appointed to replace Peter was never heard of again!

Not true, Einstein.
Peter's successor was Lonus (67-76)

Paul will be one of the 12 Apostles ruling with Jesus, not this other guy

Can you show me where the BIBLE says this?

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Any person with insight can see the truth of the matter!

Absolutely!

 

[Illuminator]

Every Converted (ie duh, Born again Believer) has the guardianship and power of BINDING and LOOSENING!

Every Jew did not have the power of binding and loosing, that was reserved for the Seat of Moses, a group of rabbis. Anyone can find the meaning of "binding and loosing" in any Jewish source. Not every Jew is a rabbi. It was a common phrase understood by the Apostles. You conveniently change the meaning of "binding and loosing" to make every believer a pope but the pope is not the pope. A ridiculous and absurd position to adhere to.
Since you are so hung up on titles, where is "Staff Member" in the Bible?
Is Catholic bashing a prerequisite?
Now that the SDA dominate this forum, I suppose it is.
I remember when the Nicene Creed was an accepted standard in CyB. It isn't anymore.

The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen

The Nicene Creed also called the Creed of Constantinople is the defining statement of belief of Nicene or mainstream Christianity and in those Christian denominations that adhere to it. Too bad you could delete it because it affirms The Trinity, a banned topic.

 

[Taken]

Every Jew did not have the power of binding and loosing,

So? No one said they did.

You conveniently change the meaning of "binding and loosing" to make every believer a pope but the pope is not the pope. A ridiculous and absurd position to adhere to.

Your false accusation is ridiculous and absurd.

You are whining about believers….I said converted….shame you don’t know the difference!

Per usual, since you are incapable of having a worthy conversation…

Cut off.

 

[Illuminator]

So? No one said they did.




Your false accusation is ridiculous and absurd.

You are whining about believers….I said converted….shame you don’t know the difference!

Per usual, since you are incapable of having a worthy conversation…

Cut off.

How about you give your privatized definition of "binding and loosing" and I will present the biblical and historical Judaea/Christian definition found in any Protestant/Jewish reference/source/dictionary. Every time you get caught in a falsehood, you try to turn the tables. I'm beginning to think you enjoy being spanked.

 

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Where does the Pope get his authority?

“ ‘the Pope “ is world renown term applied to A Gentile Catholic man;
A term Accepted world wide as applied to a Gentile Catholic man who is Elected and Appointed and Authorize by a Panel of Gentile Catholic men to sit at the Head of the Catholic Church organization.

Once the Panel of Gentile Catholic men Announce the results of their Elected, Appointed, Authorized Gentile Catholic “pope”… world communication outlets…
* Newspapers, TV, Radio, Internet, (etc.) ANNOUNCE “the Pope”, WHOM the panel of Gentile Catholic men have Chosen, Elected, Appointed, Authorized to SIT at the Head of the Gentile Catholic Church.

The Answer to the question…of this Thread Title…”where does the pope get hisauthority”….is from the Panel of Gentile Catholic men who chooses, elects, appoints, authorizes him!

The insufferable Catholic’s @Illuminator and @BreadOfLife…per their usual mantra, pretend they are the Official spokesman for the Catholic Church, calling other members names, making false accusations, gaslighting against other members, as their juvenile way to PROVE “the pope” receives “his authority” via succession of “popes”, the FIRST pope, “supposedly” appointed by the Lord God…

….which in days gone by, per a Council of Gentile Catholic men representing the Catholic Church, posthumously, agreed to appoint a Jewish Apostle, named Simon son of Barjona, surnamed Peter by Jesus, and appointed by Jesus, along with other Jews, to be Jesus’ Apostles, to carry on Jesus’ Works of spreading the Gospel and Testament of Christ Jesus TO the Jews….

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It IS true Jesus appointed willing JEWISH men to follow Him, learn from Him, and carry on “His” Works, which … was expressly revealed in Scripture…

Jesus came to seek the Jews. Jesus chose Jewish Disciples. Jesus instructed His Jewish Disciple to NOT go in the WAY of the Gentile.

Some Jews were Eager to Hear Jesus’ preaching. Some Jews Chose to Trust His Preaching. Many Jews Rejected Jesus.

The Jewish chosen, Disciples, Apostles, continued their mission of preaching to Jews, appointing their own (assisting disciples) and scribes (akin to a modern day secretary of taking dictation and writing what what the disciples were speaking)

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Scriptural History reveals Backlashes Against Jesus from Jews of the public at large, and within the Jewish Leadership of (Pharisee’s and Sanhedrin's) resulted IN Jesus MAKING “another” Appointment, OF a person OF “mixed” heritage…OF HAVING:
A Jewish mother and Gentile father….

A man called in the Jewish language: SAUL, and in the Greek Gentile language: PAUL.
(Himself a excellent candidate, well studied and versed in Jewish Law, and himself a Pharisee.)

THIS person (Saul/Paul), was selected BY Jesus and himself willingly Agreed to Serve the Lord, According to the TASK the Lord would give him to do.

The Lords EXPRESS TASK given Saul/Paul, was to Become knowledgable IN Jesus’ Word, (which He DID) and THEN represent, the Lord Jesus’ Word…via TEACHING, PREACHING the Lord Jesus’ Word……TO:
Jews, kings and GENTILES!!

By the Lord’s OWN Word, it was PAUL CHOSEN, (and Agreed) to Preach to and Teach the Gentiles.

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[Taken]

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Jesus DID NOT appoint “Simon Barjona” whom Jesus “surnamed” Peter, to Minister unto the Gentiles.

The express appointment BY JESUS to Minister unto the Gentiles was appointed TO and accepted BY Paul!

Conclusion;

 

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Conclusion;

Who, besides a person adjoined with the Catholic Church cares who Councils of Gentile men calling themselves Catholic, posthumously (unbeknownst to) Simon Barjona surnamed Peter, was given OFFICIAL Catholic Titles, and the common term of “pope”, to be the Catholic Church’s secession of “Catholic church Gentile leaders” ?

Jesus Didn’t. And neither did PAUL agree to BE called a Catholic or JOIN a Church Organization called the Catholic Church.

It is well KNOWN, Peter the Jew, Other Jews, Saul the Jew, Paul the Gentile, agreed to become made a member OF: Christ the Lord’s Church!


Any presupposition “that the Catholic Church, established by men, is exclusively Christ’s Church”….”IS BOGUS” false teaching.

Titles and Supremacy the Catholic Church has bestowed upon Peter (unbeknownst to Peter), and other Gentile men thereafter, in the BIG Picture regarding Christ’s Church…
is utterly insignificant.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

How about you give your privatized definition of "binding and loosing"

No such thing.

Already gave a quote of a few Scriptures, which per usual is a starting point reference for any wise person to read and study the Lords intent.

and I will present the biblical and historical Judaea/Christian definition found in any Protestant/Jewish reference/source/dictionary.

Not interested in YOUR privatized understanding.

Every time you get caught in a falsehood,

Your gaslighting and failure to make the effort to study Scripture and comprehend what is being said in Scripture does not amount to any effect on me, because of what spills forth from your mouth.

I'm beginning to think you enjoy being spanked.

You are confused. All you have accomplished is perhaps straining your shoulder from back-patting yourself for being a gaslighter.
Whoop, whoop!

 

[Peterlag]

As at best he only has a claim to be a bishop elected by a city as nowhere does Scripture state that the authority the Pope claims was passed on to him. Well, the authority of the Pope is not from scripture, but can be shown to be from another origin and authority. The College of Cardinals, with the Pope given authority at its head, is just the counterpart of the Pagan College of Pontiffs, with its "Pontifex Maximus," or "Sovereign Pontiff," which had existed in Rome from the earliest times, and which is known to have been framed on the model of the grand original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon.

The College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) came from the religion of the original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon, was then established in ancient Rome and the Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff") again established as the high priest of the pagan religion. This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion as it had been in Babylon.

One of the things history show about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. The Pontifex Maximus was an imperial office, usually held by the Emperor himself, which made one the "chief priest" of the Roman "state cult."

In 63 B.C., Julius Caesar had himself elected Supreme Pontiff and became emperor of Rome and vested the office of Roman emperor with the priestly powers and functions of the Babylonian Pontiff (Babylon Mystery Religion, p. 80). Augustus kept the tradition of the combined offices, and the title Pontifex Maximus was used by the Roman Caesars as illustrated on a Roman coin depicting the image of Augustus Caesar (27 B.C.-14 A.D.) with his title "Pont. Max.," which is an abbreviation of Pontifex Maximus. It is well known that Domitian required himself to be addressed as dominus et deus [';Lord and God']. (Hemer, The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia in Their Local Setting, 85-86.) The Roman title "Pontifex Maximus" was rendered in Greek inscriptions and literature of the time as "#7936;#961;#967;#953;#949;#961;#949;#973;#962;". literally, "high priest or by a more literal translation and order of words as "#7936;#961;#967;#953;#949;#961;#949;#8058;#962; #956;#941;#947;#953;#963;#964;#959;#962;", literally, "greatest high priest".

Thus, the Roman emperors, like the preceding Babylonian emperors, now served as priests of Babylonian paganism, and bore the title Pontifex Maximus. One of the prominent features we find in Revelation is a prophetic picture of the revival of ancient Babylonian system of worship, and here we see a form which came into the center of the Empire. When Rome conquered the world, the sun worship of Mirthism and the Mystery Religions of ancient Babylon that had spread and developed in various nations, was merged into the religious system of Rome. The Roman emperors (including Constantine) continued to hold the office of Pontifex Maximus during this time. Constantine through he claimed to have been a Christian remained the pagan high priest the Supreme Pontiff, paid homage to the sun god on the official coinage and sought the support of the pagan masses and aristocracy of Rome. This signified a real claim to control the church as well as the state, and Constantine chaired the critical Church Council of Nicaea in 325. It was not until the Empire split in two, with the Western Empire going to Emperor Gratian in 360 AD, that he was persuaded to give up the position of the pagan high priest and return it to the bishop of Rome who was given the title Pontifex Maximus. Thus the title Pontifex Maximus can be traced in an unbroken line all the way to Babylon and its system of worship.

I can answer that. The pope gets his authority from the devil.

 

[Taken]

Acts 9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him , (Jewish disciple named Ananias ) Go thy way: for he (Jewish Pharisee Saul/ Gentile Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me (Christ the Lord Jesus), to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Not a complicated or mysterious understanding of Precisely WHOM Christ the Lord Jesus CHOSE to minister unto the Gentiles!

Acts 9:
[6] And he Saul trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Not a complicated or mysterious understanding, that Saul WILLINGLY acknowledged the Lord Jesus and WILLINGLY agreed to DO as the Lord Jesus CALLED Saul to DO!

Whatever an individual IS: by natural birth….
A Jew, A Gentile, any appointed king…
Scripture EXPRESSLY reveals WHOM the Lord Jesus CHOSE and APPOINTED to Be a TEACHER on Behalf of the Lord Jesus.

One mans confusion about WHO he IS by natural birth….is NOT another mans dilemma!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Illuminator]

“ ‘the Pope “ is world renown term applied to A Gentile Catholic man;
A term Accepted world wide as applied to a Gentile Catholic man who is Elected and Appointed and Authorize by a Panel of Gentile Catholic men to sit at the Head of the Catholic Church organization.

Once the Panel of Gentile Catholic men Announce the results of their Elected, Appointed, Authorized Gentile Catholic “pope”… world communication outlets…
* Newspapers, TV, Radio, Internet, (etc.) ANNOUNCE “the Pope”, WHOM the panel of Gentile Catholic men have Chosen, Elected, Appointed, Authorized to SIT at the Head of the Gentile Catholic Church.

The Answer to the question…of this Thread Title…”where does the pope get hisauthority”….is from the Panel of Gentile Catholic men who chooses, elects, appoints, authorizes him!

The insufferable Catholic’s @Illuminator and @BreadOfLife…per their usual mantra, pretend they are the Official spokesman for the Catholic Church, calling other members names, making false accusations, gaslighting against other members, as their juvenile way to PROVE “the pope” receives “his authority” via succession of “popes”, the FIRST pope, “supposedly” appointed by the Lord God…

….which in days gone by, per a Council of Gentile Catholic men representing the Catholic Church, posthumously, agreed to appoint a Jewish Apostle, named Simon son of Barjona, surnamed Peter by Jesus, and appointed by Jesus, along with other Jews, to be Jesus’ Apostles, to carry on Jesus’ Works of spreading the Gospel and Testament of Christ Jesus TO the Jews….

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[Illuminator]

I can answer that. The pope gets his authority from the devil.

Are you trying to qualify for "Staff Member"?

 

[Peterlag]

Are you trying to qualify for "Staff Member"?

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