Considering John 10:30-38, compare: John 17:22, 23; Philippians 2:6. These are two of many, many other scriptures related to this topic.John 10:30-38
New International Version
30 I and the Father are one.”
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Considering John 10:30-38, compare: John 17:22, 23; Philippians 2:6. These are two of many, many other scriptures related to this topic.John 10:30-38
New International Version
30 I and the Father are one.”
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given... And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
The Messianic prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 foretold of several titles that would befit Jesus, but none would refer him to Almighty God. (Isaiah 9:7)Way back in the prophets was written about Christ this
Isaiah 9:6 — While from the Hebrew Bible, this Messianic prophecy is heavily quoted and applied to Jesus throughout New Testament Christology:
Isaiah 9, literally says and His name will be calledThe Messianic prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 foretold of several titles that would befit Jesus, but none would refer him to Almighty God. (Isaiah 9:7)
God’s Adversary, Satan the Devil, is called a “god” (2 Corinthians 4:4) because of his dominance over men and demons (1 John 5:19; Luke 11:14-18), then with far greater reason and propriety is God’s firstborn Son called “a god,” “the only-begotten god” as the most reliable manuscripts of John 1:18 call him.
The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty God, the Creator of all things and the Most High. (Genesis 17:1; Isaiah 45:18; Psalms 83:18) The New Testament does not contradict this teaching that had been accepted and believed by God’s servants for thousands of years, but instead they support it. (Mark 12:29; Romans 3:29, 30; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1Timothy 2:5) Jesus Christ himself said, “The Father is greater than I am” and referred to the Father as his God, “the only true God.” (John 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mark 15:34; Revelation 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father. (Matthew 4:9, 10; 20:23; Luke 22:41, 42; John 5:19; 8:42; 13:16) Even after Jesus’ ascension into heaven his apostles continued to present the same picture.-1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:20, 24-28; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:1; 4:9, 10.
But Jesus never usurped the position of his father/Almighty God. (Philippians 2:6) He readily admitted that the authority with which he spoke and acted did not originate with him. It was a delegated authority, for “the Father had given all things into his hands.” (John 13:3; compare Matthew 11:27; 28:18; John 3:35; 17:2.) Hence, Jesus declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.”-John 5:19; compare John 5:30; 8:28, 42.
This is that why Jesus said: “He who has seen me has seen the Father.” However, more is involved in that expression than mere representation. Since Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, whom only the Son fully ‘knew,’ seeing Jesus Christ was like seeing God himself. (Matthew 11:27) Yet, the Father is superior to the Son, as Jesus acknowledges: “The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality.” Jesus properly gives all credit for his teachings to his heavenly Father.
The Most and most acurate Greek manuscrips say Jesus is the Onle begotten Son, Not god. in Jn 1: 18. Jn 1: 1 says Jesus is God with God. Not a god with God.Isaiah 9, literally says and His name will be called
Mighty God,
Everlasting Father,
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
I don't know where your theology rests on who is the Son
Of course He is God as is the Father God.The Most and most acurate Greek manuscrips say Jesus is the Onle begotten Son, Not god. in Jn 1: 18. Jn 1: 1 says Jesus is God with God. Not a god with God.
Yet, the only conclusion to be reached from John 1:1-18 is that the Son is truly God, just as the Father is God.God’s Adversary, Satan the Devil, is called a “god” (2 Corinthians 4:4) because of his dominance over men and demons (1 John 5:19; Luke 11:14-18), then with far greater reason and propriety is God’s firstborn Son called “a god,” “the only-begotten god” as the most reliable manuscripts of John 1:18 call him.
Of course they support it, but that doesn't mean that the Son isn't also truly God. The doctrine of the Trinity fully supports monotheism. Apart from being a very selective list of verses, meaning that the context of most of the NT is missing, 1 Cor. 8:6 points to the eternal nature of the Son. And since absolute existence belongs only to God, the only rational conclusion is that the Son is also truly God.The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty God, the Creator of all things and the Most High. (Genesis 17:1; Isaiah 45:18; Psalms 83:18) The New Testament does not contradict this teaching that had been accepted and believed by God’s servants for thousands of years, but instead they support it. (Mark 12:29; Romans 3:29, 30; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1Timothy 2:5)
You're taking all these verses out of context since Jesus said a lot of things that you have excluded, including:Jesus Christ himself said, “The Father is greater than I am” and referred to the Father as his God, “the only true God.” (John 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mark 15:34; Revelation 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father. (Matthew 4:9, 10; 20:23; Luke 22:41, 42; John 5:19; 8:42; 13:16)
But, again, you're leaving out a lot of context. They said a lot of things:Even after Jesus’ ascension into heaven his apostles continued to present the same picture.-1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:20, 24-28; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:1; 4:9, 10.
Again, you're taking things out of context. Note that Jesus is the incarnation of the Son. You mention Phil. 2:6, but seem to ignore all that verses 6-8 state. So, we must consider what we should expect to be the case if God himself comes to earth and empties himself by taking on human flesh. How else do you think it should work, other than living in complete dependence on the Father, especially if one reason for that is likely to give his followers an example to follow?But Jesus never usurped the position of his father/Almighty God. (Philippians 2:6) He readily admitted that the authority with which he spoke and acted did not originate with him. It was a delegated authority, for “the Father had given all things into his hands.” (John 13:3; compare Matthew 11:27; 28:18; John 3:35; 17:2.) Hence, Jesus declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.”-John 5:19; compare John 5:30; 8:28, 42.
This is that why Jesus said: “He who has seen me has seen the Father.” However, more is involved in that expression than mere representation. Since Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, whom only the Son fully ‘knew,’ seeing Jesus Christ was like seeing God himself. (Matthew 11:27) Yet, the Father is superior to the Son, as Jesus acknowledges: “The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality.” Jesus properly gives all credit for his teachings to his heavenly Father.