Where Is Heaven? Outer Space?

[Faith1960]

Luk_9:31 [Moses and Elijah] Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

2Pe_1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Elijah was glorified? What about Enoch?

 

[Faith1960]

Do you think that God would In dwell an unglorified temple?

I don’t know about the temple, I’m talking about Enoch and Elijah.

 

[TheslightestID]

Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven, but where is heaven? Are they floating around in space somewhere? Is heaven in outer space or a different dimension?
Why haven’t any astronauts been able to see it?

I'd say you have It right, in that it's floating around in space, just like planet earth.

No reason for me to believe its in another dimension, and I'd guess the astronauts haven't seen it because God doesn't want them too....all in good time.

 

[Faith1960]

I'd say you have It right, in that it's floating around in space, just like planet earth.

No reason for me to believe its in another dimension, and I'd guess the astronauts haven't seen it because God doesn't want them too....all in good time.

I don’t believe that.

 

[ReChoired]

Elijah was glorified? What about Enoch?

When one is resurrected (Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25), as Moses, and/or translated (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), as Elijah and Enoch, to heaven, they are made "as the angels in heaven", and thus have celestial (Heavenly) and glorious "bod[ies]" (flesh and bone; 1 Corinthians 15:37-44; Luke 24:39), even as Jesus did (Philippians 3:21).

On the various NASA 'lunar' missions, are there any records which demonstrate that external (to suit and pod) sound was actually recorded over the internal microphones (suit) in the complete vacuum of space, and if so, how is that possible?

 

[Ziggy]

Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Luk 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
Luk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Ask not where is heaven, but rather ask, where is your heart.

Nice to meet you @Faith1960
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[Faith1960]

Those Scriptures aren’t talking about E and E they’re talking about our bodies after the Resurrection. As well as Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

I’ve read that they weren’t taken to heaven but relocated and eventually died but I’m unsure of how. a i local that is.

I think both these guys are alive and glorified as is Moses. Translating them only for them to die is pointless.

 

[ReChoired]

Those Scriptures aren’t talking about E and E it’s talking about our bodies after the Resurrection.

Those verses are not merely talking about resurrection, as they also mention translation, "we which are alive and remain". Both are given therein. Peter, in 2 Peter, equates Moses and Elijah as a type to the final resurrection and translation. Enoch is just a previous example to Elijah, and thus has the same translation, for God changes not, and is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

On the Apollo 11 mission the persons aboard wore suits which were supposedly pressurized to earth atmosphere. What was the exact and specific pressurization, and how would that affect the suits in the vacuum of space, in open full sun and direct shade? Would the suits appendages in both legs, arms and fingers (hands) be capable of easily bending (remember the suit will balloon under internal pressure and because of the lack of external pressure in the vacuum of lunar space) and working with tiny objects, say the size of buttons, tools and etcand screws, etc.? What is the exact measurement of "pressure" that would be exacting due to this? What would be the required pressure to bend, or move, the appendages such as the arms, legs and hands and fingers?

 

[TheslightestID]

I don’t believe that.

What do you believe, and why?

 

[Faith1960]

I think both these guys are alive and glorified as is Moses. Translating them only for them to die is pointless.

Is that something Scriptural that I missed? And then back to my OP, where ARE they. (I know they’re in heaven but what and where is that?)

 

[Faith1960]

What do you believe, and why?

I don’t know, hence my OP.

 

[ReChoired]

Is that something Scriptural that I missed? And then back to my OP, where ARE they. (I know they’re in heaven but what and where is that?)

They are on one of the unfallen worlds above, as shown you. God's throne is at the center of all things, see Revelation 4:4, etc.

In the vacuum of lunar space, in full view of the sun, without an atmosphere, what is the extreme range of 'heat', and in the shade of any given object large enough to cover the entire body, what is the extreme range of 'cold'? In other words what is full range of temperature that the suits and persons in those suits must experience at any given time, and how did those suits radiate any and all excess heat and or compensate for the cold that would be accumulated by that range and change of temperatures?

 

[TheslightestID]

I don’t know, hence my OP.

Ok, let's try this, why do you not believe heaven is floating around in space?

Logical reasoning is all we can do here, and my reasoing is, that is the state the earth is in, so it makes perfect sense to me heaven is in the same state...most likely just another planet, or some type of platform because that is clearly how God does things. I mean it has to occupy space.

So what is your logical disagreements with that?

 

[Faith1960]

Did Moses have a glorified body at the Transfiguration?

 

[Faith1960]

Ok, let's try this, why do you not believe heaven is floating around in space?

Logical reasoning is all we can do here, and my reasoing is, that is the state the earth is in, so it makes perfect sense to me heaven is in the same state...most likely just another planet, or some type of platform because that is clearly how God does things. I mean it has to occupy space.

So what is your logical disagreements with that?

Because 1) there’s no Scriptural support for it, and,
2) astronauts have been there many times and there’s no evidence for it, and,
3) space has been studied extensively and there no evidence for it.

 

[Faith1960]

Ok, let's try this, why do you not believe heaven is floating around in space?

Logical reasoning is all we can do here, and my reasoing is, that is the state the earth is in, so it makes perfect sense to me heaven is in the same state...most likely just another planet, or some type of platform because that is clearly how God does things. I mean it has to occupy space.

So what is your logical disagreements with that?

And to be clear, I didn’t say I disbelieve heaven is floating around in space, I said E and E.

 

[APAK]

I disbelieve pseudo science, the science falsely so called.

I believe my Bible:

Unfallen Life (beings & creatures) on Unfallen Worlds according to the Bible (KJB)

I do not believe the agency of lies:

Some have thought that sinful men (mankind) have physically travelled to some of the other heavenly bodies, such as the "moon" and "Mars". This is not so, according to scripture, and the science itself. I do not question certain high altitude satellites, but nothing has 'landed' on the moon or Mars, that is all illusory. The problem arises when men trust their eyes and ears, through a 'medium' of television, and a government funded agency (N.A.S.A.):

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate

N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer

N.A.S.A. - Numerous Anomalies Scams Abound

N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors

N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether

N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!

N.A.S.A. - Never Accept Serpent Assertions.​

One error demonstrated (N.A.S.A.), does not validate an associated error (flat-earth), as true (in fact, it is untrue, but this thread is not for that issue. Any person desiring to discuss the 'shape' of the world upon which we live/exist, begin a new thread, and invite me to join by PM. Do not link to it here, and I ask in charity (1 Corinthians 13)).

The position taken, is a scriptural (KJB), historical and scientific one.

God will never allow sinful manind to leave this planet [world, spheroid] (though they have access to high altitudes, see also Ephesians 2:2, 6:12) and spread the infection to the entire unfallen universe. Lucifer was already removed from the 3rd Heaven because of sin (2 Peter 2:4; Ezekiel 28:15-18). This world is presently a quarantine zone of sin. It is the triage area, the sickbed of the universal Hospital, a leper colony on an island in 'space' (and another reason it will take 7 days trip to reach the 3rd Heaven, when we finally leave with Jesus; Leviticus 13, 23:39), struck off (temporarily) from the 'continent of Heaven'. Only the proper Heavenly angels, as nurse-aides to the Great Physician, Jesus Christ, is allowed in and out. Even now, since the Cross (AD 31), satan is trapped down here (1 Peter 5:8) and o are we (as Daniel in the Lion's den), unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7 (which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15); Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB].

1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Ecc 5:15 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand.

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Psa_115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.​

The ‘space programs’ are actually another system based upon the ‘tower of babel’ (Genesis 11) reasoning/thought, being another way up into Heaven other than The Way (John 14:6), another ladder other than the Jacob’s Ladder - Jesus Christ. The only way into Heaven now is by vision (2 Corinthians 12:1), or by John 14:1-3 in the return of Jesus Christ to take us all, in Him, up.

The Apollo programs were a giant lie, and the Mars programs even more so. Many more details as needful.

Some names I may recommend to you (most of which is freely available online to read or watch, consider scientifically).

Bill Kaysing (ex-RocketDyne).

James Collier (Was it only a paper moon);

Bart Sibrel (Astronauts Gone Wild);

Ralph Rene (Nasa Mooned America),

Marcus Allen (author, speaker with Aulis & Nexus magazine).

David Percy (What happened on the Moon, Analysis; Hall of Mirrors),

Mary Bennett.

Jim (James) Fetzer.

Jarrah White (Moon Faker, Mars Faker (youtube), beware, he's an atheist),

Richard Hall, and in this present list, last but not least,

N.A.S.A. itself, and its own material, still available and that which has since been removed, deleted, redacted, etc.​

Do I agree with everything these above have said or done? Of course not. I am only interested in facts, which substantiate the scriptural position. Now, if you say you disagree, then why not hear my evidence and what I have seen, read and studied, tested, then judge, and not before. Begin with the scriptures above, then further evidence may be provided as necessary.

Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Pro 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.​

In the Heavenly universe, this earth (sinful world) is the 'alien' (the foreign) element in all the unfallen universe. Then even so, Christians are the 'alien' (pilgrim's) on earth (Hebrews 11:13; 1 Peter 2:11), and eventually, satan is going to attempt to remove us all (loyal to God) from it.

There are no little green men. No little grey men. No 'Andromedans'. No Raelians. There are however glowing beings that came from Heaven above, some good (like those of God's host, Gabriel and 'Herald' (personal nickname I gave him)), and some wicked (Lucifer and his hosts). The wicked ones love to deceive. A UFO advent, is prepared by the devil for the secularist (and/or atheist, agnostic, etc).

I recommend watching, "Alien Intrusion - Unmasking a Deception with Gary Bates" (not perfect, but serves it's purpose) - Alien Intrusion - Unmasking A Deception With Gary Bates

I saw the video link...it does a decent job that the aliens and UFOs are really demonic beings operating between at least one inner dimension.

 

[TheslightestID]

Because 1) there’s no Scriptural support for it, and,
2) astronauts have been there many times and there’s no evidence for it, and,
3) space has been studied extensively and there no evidence for it.

No scriptural support for what....space?

 

[TheslightestID]

And to be clear, I didn’t say I disbelieve heaven is floating around in space, I said E and E.

E and E?