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And where is heaven, the place some sing about wanting to make it their home? Was not Jesus in heaven whilst still walking around on planet Earth as a man 2,000 years ago even before he went to the cross? If there are three heavens then what would be the difference between them? What if a shadow of the 3rd heaven is seen n the upper most level of the ark of Noah, where 8 persons rode out the storm; and the lowest level were a shadow of the 1st heaven wherein which the unclean beasts were saved from the flood? In between we see the other beasts, cleaned up already, but still beasts as in a 2nd heaven.
Do we suppose that to see God face to face we would have to attain to 3rd heaven? Surely no beasts there?
But then man born a beast even when he has been saved must have the uncleanness cleaned up and finally kill his beasts completely or...?
"I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts." Ecc 3:18
"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov. 9:1-2
And where would one get this Wisdom?
"So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding." Prov. 2:2-6
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding" Prov 9:10
Addressing the OP, here. "
where is heaven", and "
If there are three heavens then what would be the difference between them?"
there ar three heavens, and the difference between them is, A. one of them is "Time", B.. the other is "Space", and C. the third one encompase the other two. for the first two are created, and has effect of time and space. but third is neither. as for hell, and heaven the third one is of God. for the conscious torment?, and for the unconscious nothing?... for the dead knowes nothing. but God is in charge of both, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.
Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."
I'll take the position of the prophet DAVID, Psalms 139:6 "
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
it is high, I cannot attain unto it."
Psalms 139:7 "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from
thy presence?"
Psalms 139:8 "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."
Psalms 139:9 "If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;"
Psalms 139:10 "
Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me."
Psalms 139:11 "If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me;
even the night shall be light about me."
Psalms 139:12 "Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee;
but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light
are both alike to thee."
Psalms 139:13 "For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb."
Psalms 139:14 "
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
marvellous are thy works; and that
my soul knoweth right well."
Psalms 139:17 "How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!"
Psalms 139:18 "If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake,
I am still with thee."
and as God said, by his apostle, God is not the God of the Living only. but of the DEAD also. so that changes any dynamic of anyone's thinking. Romans 14:7 "
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself."
Romans 14:8 "For whether we live,
we live unto the Lord; and whether we die,
we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die,
we are the Lord's."
Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived,
that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."
so I leave it to him.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
