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Where is the reformation in the Bible?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by theefaith, May 19, 2021.

  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    I strongly urge you to tell your Saviour about the harlots you do not see everywhere.
     
  2. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    You -- the pope and you -- your bluff, does not fool everyone.

    Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
     
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    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    'theefaith' --- devil's advocate. Gotcha
     
  4. quietthinker

    quietthinker Well-Known Member

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    is it assumed that Lucifer is not loved of God?
     
  5. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Someone it seems is always condemning someone. Look at the secular political scene on planet Earth!

    But... among people who are claiming the label of 'follower of Christ' [Christian?], be they called Catholic, or Protestant or Other, too many words are thrown too much of the time without real love or concern for those against whom they are thrown. People at this point of some discussions [if it even really is a discussion rather than some of the other things which happen on this forum] will often then point out that Jesus spoke harshly at times against people.

    Jesus did, but if we are using such a comparison to excuse ourselves, we had also better have the same flawless never sinning Spirit that Jesus always had when he did such things.

    Jesus said this:

    "Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matt 7:1-5

    And Paul said this:

    "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." II Cor 10:12

    Because we count ourselves as being on the side of best knowledge, does that then exempt us from what Jesus said and what Paul said? People may adjust or interpret the words so written so that their own position will appear to good in their own eyes, but what does God see in each one of us... without regard to which sides we believe we have taken...


    Give God the glory!
     
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  6. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    the church’s or apostles first duty it to safeguard the sacred deposit of faith and the faithful from all error, & heresy!
     
  7. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    And Fellowship, don't forget fellowship!

    1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

    Hugs
     
  8. Illuminator

    Illuminator Well-Known Member

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    You miss the point. The pope isn't telling people to have a cell phone, he is telling the faithful to read the Bible frequently, contrary to the myths and lies of anti-Catholics.
    Reading false translations was forbidden, the same as Protestants who reject a gender free bible.
     
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  9. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    No, I didn't miss it.
    Just saying, I don't have the same distractions most do today.
    What is a gender free bible???

    I'm too old for this...
    Hugs
     
  10. amadeus

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    Are you then the voice or the church or are you an apostle? On first duty, what then would you say about this?

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

    If we fail then to make these things first, what will the rest matter to us then ultimately?
     
  11. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    I speaking of those in authority who are administering this kingdom not the people
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    The authority so called has turned on the sheep.
    The only one holding this building together is God and his children.

    They will run us off the cliff.
    They will agree to a one world religion.. and it's not Catholic or Protestant or Muslim, or Hindi..
    It's ALL of them.
    And all of the so-called authorities will agree.

    TRUST GOD
    ONLY

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  13. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    I agree we are up against the “great apostasy” it no longer “thee faith” eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
     
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    It was you speaking to us, which is why I asked the questions of you and about you.

    Where did you personally receive the authority to tell us we are wrong or we are right?

    You may also say that priests or bishops ordained in the CC have such authority. Perhaps some of them do, but I do have doubts about that. But there is such real authority how does any believer become subject to such authority unless he submits to it? Why would any person fed the Word of God elsewhere, that is outside the formal Catholic hierarchy submit himself to it? Should he do it because you say it is the right thing to do? How do you know?

    Would you say that outside of the formal visible hierarchy of the CC there is no power of God? Is God limited in such a way? Did God limit Himself in such a way?

    I may have answers for myself to all of the questions I asked you, but I readily admit to still being only on the way. I have not arrived to that face to face vision yet. Do you on the other hand have such a vision, a vision clearer than that of Paul himself when he wrote about seeing as through a glass darkly? Lots of non-Catholics or Protestants, if you like, seem to believe that they do, but I would not put myself among them. Does that make me right and them wrong? I might believe that sometimes, but I certainly do not know it. Do you know [not believe] that you are right on all of these things you are saying?
     
  15. GerhardEbersoehn

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    Among people who claim to be 'followers of Christ', Catholics and Protestants, ONE word as no other word or concept of the Christian Faith is all the time so smugly and excessively being thrown about and abused in subtle, covert or open ad hominem and judgemental rhetoric, as the word 'love' bereft of any semblance of The Love or The Faith or The Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. IOW no word of SCRIPTURE as the word 'love' is so abused in devout religious application without the Spirit of Christ .
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    truth matters
     
  17. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Now that you mention it, it is likely so. If we really loved, or at least seriously tried to love, as God loves, the result would be much different than that which we are seeing around us today.
     
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