Where is the reformation in the Bible?

[amigo de christo]

Where is this poem from, please? I just heard it on Spencer Smith's Third Adam 2.

have you seen the third adam three yet .

 

[theefaith]

right . That is exactly where i got it from . He has that right on .

I’m with you on this one

 

[BondMrsBond]

right . That is exactly where i got it from . He has that right on .

Oh, did he write it himself? Love Spencer Smith. He's a bit out there and doesn't hold any punches but I respect him greatly!

 

[BondMrsBond]

have you seen the third adam three yet .

Not yet. That's tonight's agenda! I watched the first one last year and then got caught up watching the Strange Fire Conference and all the videos coming out of that... American gospel, etc. I watched the Third Adam 1 & 2 again yesterday and almost filled a notebook!

 

[amigo de christo]

Not yet. That's tonight's agenda! I watched the first one last year and then got caught up watching the Strange Fire Conference and all the videos coming out of that... American gospel, etc. I watched the Third Adam 1 & 2 again yesterday and almost filled a notebook!

Yes , there is a lot going on within many places that are leading folks astray . It is good that we stick to biblical doctrine and continue
to pray for one another .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Oh, did he write it himself? Love Spencer Smith. He's a bit out there and doesn't hold any punches but I respect him greatly!

Yep. I watch him as well. I have seen all three third Adams. They are good.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

By what authority did the pretend to reform the church founded by God, and doctrine revealed by God?

Only the apostles have authority from Christ and the so called reformers were not apostles or successors of the apostles

Dear @theefaith
I can't tell back then who or which groups had embraced and committed to Christ, because I wasn't there to ask them and get their answers.

But when I learned about the Reformation, between studying with Lutherans and Baptists who are committed in Christ:
The problem at that time was the Catholic elders were corrupted with bias by selling indulgences for material fundraising, but tying this to claims of cleansing sins.

Luther was teaching people to follow the law and the Lord DIRECTLY through Christ governing us. NOT depending on church elders or conditions of works to "earn" salvation. Nothing we can do can "earn" God's grace and sacrifice of Jesus given freely. We agree to accept this, then our works FOLLOW from faith to serve others and share God's love truth and message in practicing what we believe and teach by example.

(One Lutheran Pastor also taught the process in Matthew 18:15-20 as the proper and effective way to redress rebukes.)

Maybe this was not true back then, when only certain apostles were taught by Jesus and received Him in committing to keep God's Word: But at THIS point, ANY believers can invoke Jesus Authority to issue rebuke and resolve it by His authority governing our relations.

Luther and others are attempting to rebuke church elders by following Matthew 18:15-20

They are not claiming to have their own authority prevail.

The true spiritual healing and correction is only governed and given to Jesus Authority, not our own.

 

[Brakelite]

Did the Catholic Church Prohibit Bible Reading?
Responding to Anti-Catholicism on the Internet


An anti-Catholic critic claimed knowing middle-aged ex-Catholics who were not encouraged to read God's Word. I asked a priest in his mid-60's and he said he never heard such a thing; indeed, a special indulgence was granted to anyone who faithfully read the bible on a daily basis. Pope Benedict XV wrote in his encyclical Spiritus Paraclitus of 1920: "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, with the veneration due the divine Word, make a spiritual reading from the Sacred Scriptures. A plenary indulgence is granted if this reading is continued for at least one half an hour." My late aunt admitted that she was hesitant to read the bible for fear of misinterpreting the texts; however, such a personal sentiment cannot be said to reflect a Catholic prohibition. Anti-Catholic apologists themselves use isolated bits-and-pieces to refute Catholic teachings and then accuse the Church of using the same flawed methods. Such just is not the case. An anti-Catholic author, David Cloud, furthered such distortions in an article entitled, "The KJV and the Latin Vulgate." He writes:

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. The Council added these words: "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."

Rome's attempt to keep the Bible from men has continued to recent times. Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society and expressed shock at the circulation of the Scriptures. Pius VII said, "It is evidence from experience, that the holy Scriptures, when circulated in the vulgar tongue, have, through the temerity of men, produced more harm than benefit." Pope Leo XII called the Protestant Bible the "Gospel of the Devil" in an encyclical letter of 1824. Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed "against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue."

Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, condemned the Bible Societies and admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has "long been condemned by the holy chair."​

Let us look at his assertions.
First, did the council of Trent really prohibit the reading and ownership of the bible? The answer is, no. The council fathers decreed on April 8, 1546, ". . . the synod, following the examples of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates with an equal affection of piety and reverence all the books both of the Old and New Testament, --seeing that one God is the author of both, . . . ." Oddly, I could not find the quotation as given by the above author; however, I did find decrees regarding UNAPPROVED and or FAULTY translations of the Scrtiptures. Just as with theological works, the Church asserted her role over their legitimate use. To suggest that the council of Trent opposed the authentic Word of God is untrue.
Second, the prohibition for Catholics in joining Bible Societies was due to the fact that these said groups did not use Scriptures approved by Church sources and were quite anti-Catholic in their approach. Such has been the continued problem with gullible Catholics stolen from Christ's Church by anti-Catholic fundamentalist bible study programs, some which particularly target Catholics. Again, this was no disdain for the holy Scriptures, only for the malicious intent by which some men use them.
Third, the concern about bible distribution was that Protestant bibles were being circulated which in missing texts and in footnotes often questioned and ridiculed Catholic teaching. Obviously, the Church preferred that Catholics read bibles which reflected the orthodox Catholic interpretation of the Word of God. The misuse of the Gospel against the Church established by Christ himself is as Pope Leo XII noted nothing less than satanic. Cloud's interpretation of Church history, or tradition, is as cloudy as the anti-Catholic's understanding of the Scriptures.

Having attacked Christ's Church, the anti-Catholic bigot who quoted Cloud on his website has the audacity to call the Catholic his "friend." This hackneyed sign of affection was used several years ago by the pornography and prostitute addicted Jimmy Swaggert in a pamphlet to proslytize Catholics. The anti-Catholic critic, when he runs out of material, will often harp about the so-called multitude killed by Catholics and declared heretics. It is true that civil societies in the past did engage in much nonsense, both Catholic and Protestant, however, both camps equated spiritual murder with physical murder and subsequently confused the penalties.

Neither Protestants nor Catholics would want to be classified by the actions of extremists. Returning to the subject of the bible, it is my supposition that if properly studied with care to the sources and the literary forms of the text, it will affirm the Catholic faith. Such an openness to the truth of the Scriptures have led many of the more astute Protestants into the Catholic Church. However, the more emotional, embittered, and ignorant the researcher-- the less affected they are by such truths or the claims of the Catholic Church.

The message of our loving God to such critics would be to put aside their prejudice and hatred and taste and see the goodness of the Lord in the Catholic community.
Did the Catholic Church Forbid Bible Reading? (tripod.com)

Lol. Jesuit double speak.
We don't object to the scriptures says he... Just the ones we don't approve of.
We don't object to you reading the scriptures says he... Just don't come to any conclusions without our say so.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol. Jesuit double speak.
We don't object to the scriptures says he... Just the ones we don't approve of.
We don't object to you reading the scriptures says he... Just don't come to any conclusions without our say so.

And which verses would those be?

You are protecting your church from the word of God. Since the council of Trent, a Jesuit dominated affair

Then WHY were a number of the Legates who presided over the council NOT of the Order of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)?

Or, is it simply that, as a disciple of the false prophet, Ellen G. White, you like throwing the word, "Jesuit" around like it's supposed to be some kind of insult, my ignorant friend?

 

[theefaith]

Dear @theefaith
I can't tell back then who or which groups had embraced and committed to Christ, because I wasn't there to ask them and get their answers.

But when I learned about the Reformation, between studying with Lutherans and Baptists who are committed in Christ:
The problem at that time was the Catholic elders were corrupted with bias by selling indulgences for material fundraising, but tying this to claims of cleansing sins.

Luther was teaching people to follow the law and the Lord DIRECTLY through Christ governing us. NOT depending on church elders or conditions of works to "earn" salvation. Nothing we can do can "earn" God's grace and sacrifice of Jesus given freely. We agree to accept this, then our works FOLLOW from faith to serve others and share God's love truth and message in practicing what we believe and teach by example.

(One Lutheran Pastor also taught the process in Matthew 18:15-20 as the proper and effective way to redress rebukes.)

Maybe this was not true back then, when only certain apostles were taught by Jesus and received Him in committing to keep God's Word: But at THIS point, ANY believers can invoke Jesus Authority to issue rebuke and resolve it by His authority governing our relations.

Luther and others are attempting to rebuke church elders by following Matthew 18:15-20

They are not claiming to have their own authority prevail.

The true spiritual healing and correction is only governed and given to Jesus Authority, not our own.

only accusations and misrepresentations

indulgences don’t have anything to do with salvation

 

[theefaith]

You are protecting your church from the word of God. Since the council of Trent, a Jesuit dominated affair, the Catholic Church has been determined to create a religious government on earth. An earthly kingdom with a papal king. And Protestantism, a Christian ethos based on scripture which declares Christ and His kingdom being not of this world, according to the Jesuits must be destroyed. Your continuing ideas that you espouse that the modern church is somehow different and no longer truly Catholic, I am not sure how to take. I am not sure if you are simply not understanding your own church, or you are a Jesuit yourself seeking to convince the Protestants here that your church has changed and now accommodating and tolerant to the "heretics". What I do understand is that your church has not changed, Vatican 1 confirmed Trent, and Vatican 2 likewise. The Jesuits are even more in control than ever, and Francis, this pope you seem to hate, is the quintessential Jesuit, the ultimate Catholic personified, putting into place Catholic plans for global hegemony that were laid down centuries ago. There is nothing new under the sun. Your church is still the antithesis to Christianity, a counterfeit, and a sworn enemy to scripture, and a party to deception at all levels.

the church has always been a kingdom and Christ is king Lk 1:32-33 dan 2:44
Matt 16:18 Peter has the keys and is only prime minister
I despise the modernist jesuits and all there apostasy beginning with anti-pope John (not a declaration, but according to His teaching) the invalid council and all impostor anti-popes since but glorious is the great council of Trent, if anyone says you can be justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema!

what scripture are you referring to?
The church wrote the New Testament by the inspiration of the HS

 

[amigo de christo]

You are protecting your church from the word of God. Since the council of Trent, a Jesuit dominated affair, the Catholic Church has been determined to create a religious government on earth. An earthly kingdom with a papal king. And Protestantism, a Christian ethos based on scripture which declares Christ and His kingdom being not of this world, according to the Jesuits must be destroyed. Your continuing ideas that you espouse that the modern church is somehow different and no longer truly Catholic, I am not sure how to take. I am not sure if you are simply not understanding your own church, or you are a Jesuit yourself seeking to convince the Protestants here that your church has changed and now accommodating and tolerant to the "heretics". What I do understand is that your church has not changed, Vatican 1 confirmed Trent, and Vatican 2 likewise. The Jesuits are even more in control than ever, and Francis, this pope you seem to hate, is the quintessential Jesuit, the ultimate Catholic personified, putting into place Catholic plans for global hegemony that were laid down centuries ago. There is nothing new under the sun. Your church is still the antithesis to Christianity, a counterfeit, and a sworn enemy to scripture, and a party to deception at all levels.

The dark mother knows how to befriend all . For she comes in as does a chameleon . And as the chameleon
is known to change color to whatever object it grabs hold of , so too does the dark mother
know how to appease and appear to change to suit them . But in truth the chameleon is still a chameleon
as is the dark mother still the dark mother . Beware her call , and do so at all costs . For she has , as the spider
spun a web with many directions to reach out to all , but in her midst they shall be trapped and she shall suck the lifes blood right out of their
very soul . Watch out cause this agenda is massive now .

 

[theefaith]

The dark mother knows how to befriend all . For she comes in as does a chameleon . And as the chameleon
is known to change color to whatever object it grabs hold of , so too does the dark mother
know how to appease and appear to change to suit them . But in truth the chameleon is still a chameleon
as is the dark mother still the dark mother . Beware her call , and do so at all costs . For she has , as the spider
spun a web with many directions to reach out to all , but in her midst they shall be trapped and she shall suck the lifes blood right out of their
very soul . Watch out cause this agenda is massive now .

church only cares for the sacred deposit of faith and the salvation of souls

that’s why our lady of the holy rosary crushed the Albigensian heresy and will crush all heresy

 

[Brakelite]

the church has always been a kingdom and Christ is king Lk 1:32-33 dan 2:44
Matt 16:18 Peter has the keys and is only prime minister
I despise the modernist jesuits and all there apostasy beginning with anti-pope John (not a declaration, but according to His teaching) the invalid council and all impostor anti-popes since but glorious is the great council of Trent, if anyone says you can be justified by “faith alone” let him be anathema!

what scripture are you referring to?
The church wrote the New Testament by the inspiration of the HS

I am still not convinced as to who or what you are. Your church has not changed... The decrees of the councils and the encyclical letters of the various Popes going back to Trent all agree. The Catholic Church has always presented a gospel of social action. It is not the gospel of the Bible. The Catholic gospel bears no relation whatsoever to the salvation of souls through the blood of Christ. Your liturgy and Catechisms may mention it from time to time, but the goals and ambitions of Rome remain the same, are authored by the Jesuits, overseen by them, and put into action by them. The destruction of Protestantism and to replace the word of God in Protestant theology. Vatican 2 was the latest and seemed to present a change in Catholic thinking, but no, it was a growth that merely confirmed Trent, and put the decrees of Trent into action. So either you're not seeing it, or you know it intimately but don't want it revealed. Vatican2 was the beginning of the Catholic charismatic movement which brought worldly music into the church, made the church more appealing to the young, exported it to Protestantism, and the emotion, the feelings and sensory heightened experiences through rock music in the churches are but the modem evolution of Loyola's exercises. Jesuitism has now invaded the Protestant churches en masse, experience and emotion and the spirit has now replaced the word of God. Quintessential Loyola doctrine. In Catholic rituals of the mass, the liturgy was always supreme. It was the show. It was the liturgy, the music, the presentation that brought emotive responses to the congregation and was the centerpiece of the Catholic mass. In protestant churches the sermon, based on scripture, was the focal point. Now, we have Hillsong. Vatican 2 has been a success in bringing the philosophy of Trent into the modern protestant church. And Francis is now hard at work in bringing the world into a syncretistic social movement far far removed from NT theology and teaching and the simplicity of the gospel.
"My kingdom is not of this world". Your king is not Christ, but Caesar, pontifex maximus. The inheritor of the pagan crown.

 

[Enoch111]

The Catholic Church has always presented a gospel of social action.

I'm not sure if that is the case, but one thing is certain. The Catholic Church is a manifestation of False Christianity, and the Vatican is a political entity filled with intrigue. If Jesus were to visit Rome today, He would destroy this city and the Vatican in a flash. But judgments are pending and will be executed in God's time.

 

[Enoch111]

is it assumed that Lucifer is not loved of God?

Well since God has prepared Hell for the devil and his angels, what do you think?

 

[quietthinker]

Well since God has prepared Hell for the devil and his angels, what do you think?

if we get what we dish out to others, how does that apply to God?

 

[Emily Nghiem]

if we get what we dish out to others, how does that apply to God?

Do you mean this
Matthew 6:14-15

 

[Enoch111]

if we get what we dish out to others, how does that apply to God?

God operates by His own standards of righteousness. So are you questioning God? What sinful humans do is any issue.

 

[Brakelite]

God operates by His own standards of righteousness.

Does He lessen or reduce those standards to meet our fallen nature?