Who are the “other sheep” of John 10:16? (For Jehovah's Witnesses)

[PS95]

Yes, the Jews failed to make a dent as you say, which is why Jesus said, I have other sheep not of this fold, he was speaking of the Jewish fold, so now he was going to go to the gentile fold to fill the number.

Ok so Berean, I had assumed that other sheep baloney was from Russell , but if you understand what it really means then it could not have. Was it Rutherford or Knorr that came up with this one. I'm leaning toward the heaven closer- Rutherford.

If you think about it they have pinned an awful lot on that false teaching. Pretty much all they believe hinges there. Such a shame. It's not as if it's even a question.

 

[Keiw]

Ok so Berean, I had assumed that other sheep baloney was from Russell , but if you understand what it really means then it could not have. Was it Rutherford or Knorr that came up with this one. I'm leaning toward the heaven closer- Rutherford.

If you think about it they have pinned an awful lot on that false teaching. Pretty much all they believe hinges there. Such a shame. It's not as if it's even a question.

Ok so Berean, I had assumed that other sheep baloney was from Russell , but if you understand what it really means then it could not have. Was it Rutherford or Knorr that came up with this one. I'm leaning toward the heaven closer- Rutherford.

If you think about it they have pinned an awful lot on that false teaching. Pretty much all they believe hinges there. Such a shame. It's not as if it's even a question.

I know for sure 100% the great crowd of Rev 7:9 are the other sheep--FACT--Only the little flock and great crowd will be saved. There are no other sheep besides them, and Jesus assures they will be FEW who find the road that leads off into life( get grace, be saved, get salvation)

 

[PS95]

I know for sure 100% the great crowd of Rev 7:9 are the other sheep--FACT--Only the little flock and great crowd will be saved. There are no other sheep besides them, and Jesus assures they will be FEW who find the road that leads off into life( get grace, be saved, get salvation)

sigh. I just cant care anymore. it's like talking to a wall.

 

[Berean]

Ok so Berean, I had assumed that other sheep baloney was from Russell , but if you understand what it really means then it could not have. Was it Rutherford or Knorr that came up with this one. I'm leaning toward the heaven closer- Rutherford.

If by "baloney" you're speaking of the "other sheep" being an earthly class? Then yes, it was Judge Rutherford who introduced that teaching. In the 1920s, he kept introducing types and antitypes. He used names like "Modern Worthies", "Jonadabs" then in 1935, they introduced it all under the "Great Company" (or Crowd or Multitude, depending on one's translation.

If you think about it they have pinned an awful lot on that false teaching. Pretty much all they believe hinges there. Such a shame. It's not as if it's even a question.

Yes they did and it came back to bite them on the rear-end. Russell believed the Church, the body of Christ was a numbered class, 144,000. He believed that the Great Company was made up of those who were called, but didn't make their "calling and election sure", because "many are called and few are chosen." That didn't mean that those who weren't chosen failed miserably and were deserving of second death, only that they just didn't measure up to God's ultimate standard, and so instead of sitting ON thrones, wearing crowns, they stand BEFORE the throne with palm branches. The rest of mankind will inherit the earth.

Somehow, Rutherford decided that his followers were growing; they were numbering more than 144,000. How can that be? Instead of leaving it in the Lord's hands as to the many called and few chosen. He decides to introduce new light. Claims the great company is an earthly class, because the door to heaven was shut in 1935. So this group of earth dwellers was created based on a date, 1935, and from that moment on, they began to gather from among humanity those who will inherit the earth and be a part of this great company. The rest of mankind will perish at Armageddon. As you well know, they have refined this teaching through the years. They ran out of redefining the "generation of 1914" and not too long ago, the Governing Body did away with the 1935 date. This of course causes a problem, if 1935 is no longer a scriptural teaching, a teaching that created the great company gathered as of 1935, thus closing the door to the high calling in that year, then how can they continue to teach the existence of this group, based on a false and discarded belief system? If you toss out 1935, then you have to toss out what supposedly occurred in that year. And if you keep the belief that the great company is an earthly class, when did it start?

 

[Berean]

I know for sure 100% the great crowd of Rev 7:9 are the other sheep--FACT--Only the little flock and great crowd will be saved. There are no other sheep besides them, and Jesus assures they will be FEW who find the road that leads off into life( get grace, be saved, get salvation)

I just love all your scriptural support and reasoning Keiw, thanks, great job.

 

[PS95]

If by "baloney" you're speaking of the "other sheep" being an earthly class? Then yes, it was Judge Rutherford who introduced that teaching. In the 1920s, he kept introducing types and antitypes. He used names like "Modern Worthies", "Jonadabs" then in 1935, they introduced it all under the "Great Company" (or Crowd or Multitude, depending on one's translation.

Yes. baloney = JW idea of other sheep. I was raised JW..
It is such a simple truth.. the Jews first/then to the Gentiles- no man taught me. I understood it very clearly by reading the scriptures- it's throughout the bible clear as day! It's interesting that Mormons also mess that one up.

Yes they did and it came back to bite them on the rear-end. Russell believed the Church, the body of Christ was a numbered class, 144,000. He believed that the Great Company was made up of those who were called, but didn't make their "calling and election sure", because "many are called and few are chosen." That didn't mean that those who weren't chosen failed miserably and were deserving of second death, only that they just didn't measure up to God's ultimate standard, and so instead of sitting ON thrones, wearing crowns, they stand BEFORE the throne with palm branches. The rest of mankind will inherit the earth.

Somehow, Rutherford decided that his followers were growing; they were numbering more than 144,000. How can that be? Instead of leaving it in the Lord's hands as to the many called and few chosen. He decides to introduce new light. Claims the great company is an earthly class, because the door to heaven was shut in 1935. So this group of earth dwellers was created based on a date, 1935, and from that moment on, they began to gather from among humanity those who will inherit the earth and be a part of this great company. The rest of mankind will perish at Armageddon. As you well know, they have refined this teaching through the years. They ran out of redefining the "generation of 1914" and not too long ago, the Governing Body did away with the 1935 date. This of course causes a problem, if 1935 is no longer a scriptural teaching, a teaching that created the great company gathered as of 1935, thus closing the door to the high calling in that year, then how can they continue to teach the existence of this group, based on a false and discarded belief system? If you toss out 1935, then you have to toss out what supposedly occurred in that year. And if you keep the belief that the great company is an earthly class, when did it start?

I knew He shut heaven in '35 but wasn't 100% sure if he also made his other sheep group at that time or if that one time traveled to later. Figures. The man drank way too much. Have you ever read the smear campaign Rutherford led against JW Olin Boyle'? It's quite eye opening into what kind of man he was.
Rutherford taught that the Holy Spirit was gone in 1918 and that angels transmitted info to him.

The Lord Jesus came to his temple in 1918 and that would mark the time of the cessation of the work of the holy spirit as an advocate, helper and comforter for the members of the church on earth." (Preservation, 1932, pg. 202-203)

Those "angels" sure taught him a false gospel. I guess it's good that they see heaven closing was a lie- those angels again. You would think that they would question EVERYTHING after that. But nope and that is what is so concerning- the mind control is very strong.

I had only heard about 1935 being changed but nothing more. Changed to what I don't know & I don't care. That's a good question and one I asked myself, but as you know they are able to control what they think no matter what it is. Doublespeak, contradictions- doesn't matter. All discernment and any testing of spiritual things is vacated for lock step group think. When you think all of those years -almost 90 YEARS- heaven was shut up by the Pharisees. If that didn't wake a person up... I have no doubt that to keep them in line (on earth) the thinking is still -

WT 8/2011 “Memorial partakers. This is the number of baptized individuals who partake of the emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does this total represent the number of anointed ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number of factors—including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance —might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling.”

No comment as to the mental state of JWs leaders. It's all disturbing.

 

[Keiw]

sigh. I just cant care anymore. it's like talking to a wall.

You are right. I share bible truth and you reject it.
Are you an ex baptized JW?

 

[Berean]

sigh. I just cant care anymore. it's like talking to a wall.

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[PS95]

You are right. I share bible truth and you reject it.
Are you an ex baptized JW?

Keiw, honestly. have you ever done a study on just how much scriptural support there is for the other sheep=Gentiles?

 

[Keiw]

Keiw, honestly. have you ever done a study on just how much scriptural support there is for the other sheep=Gentiles?

Keiw, honestly. have you ever done a study on just how much scriptural support there is for the other sheep=Gentiles?

I learned from these-Matt 24:45= the only ones Jesus leads and gives holy spirit to guide them into all truth. The darkness= a house divided will not stand, says it means something else.

 

[PS95]

I learned from these-Matt 24:45= the only ones Jesus leads and gives holy spirit to guide them into all truth. The darkness= a house divided will not stand, says it means something else.

I am fully aware of where you learn. that's the problem. do you ever answer the question posed? Would you like to do a scripture only study of the other sheep?

 

[Keiw]

I am fully aware of where you learn. that's the problem. do you ever answer the question posed? Would you like to do a scripture only study of the other sheep?

Not from one who learned from darkness. I believe these-Matt 24:45 100%--The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Gods Earth back them all the way.

 

[PS95]

Not from one who learned from darkness. I believe these-Matt 24:45 100%--The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Gods Earth back them all the way.

Back when I learned that .. it was the nwt and prayer, and to you that is darkness. You said it not me.

 

[Traveler]

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.” (Joh 10:16 NWT)

You guys are thinking way too small,

All tungs and nations are not just those from this world, now consider this,

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Now who is to be gathered from one end of heaven to the other and how do we end up scattered across the heavens., Now the word translated as heavens is this,

G3772
οὐρανός
ouranos
oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.

Now they did not have a word for outer space back then but the meaning is obvious. If all nations are to be represented then it will not only be human at the great supper.

 

[Berean]

Now who is to be gathered from one end of heaven to the other and how do we end up scattered across the heavens.

I wasn't aware that heaven has an end. How do you explain Isa. 40:22; 44:24; Jer. 10:12; Zech. 12:1, which speaks of God stretching out the heavens?

I guess the earth is square, since they have corners too (Isa. 41:9; Rev. 7:1, 20:8)

 

[shepherdsword]

I know for sure 100% the great crowd of Rev 7:9 are the other sheep--FACT--Only the little flock and great crowd will be saved. There are no other sheep besides them, and Jesus assures they will be FEW who find the road that leads off into life( get grace, be saved, get salvation)

The context of "few" was the audience that was present at the sermon on the mount when He taught. Most jews rejected him:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This is the only way to reconcile these two verses. In fact, the great crowd is so massive no man can number it.

Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[Keiw]

Back when I learned that .. it was the nwt and prayer, and to you that is darkness. You said it not me.

Are you an ex baptized JW? I didn't say what you posted.

 

[Keiw]

The context of "few" was the audience that was present at the sermon on the mount when He taught. Most jews rejected him:

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This is the only way to reconcile these two verses. In fact, the great crowd is so massive no man can number it.

Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Jesus is clear that here in these last days it will be just like Noahs day( 99% minimum mislead) the world took no note-Luke 17:26. Now is what Jesus speaking about=FEW.

 

[shepherdsword]

Jesus is clear that here in these last days it will be just like Noahs day( 99% minimum mislead) the world took no note-Luke 17:26. Now is what Jesus speaking about=FEW.

Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[Keiw]

Rv 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Yes a great number=8 or 9 million out of nearly 9 billion.=FEW--Only 8 or 9 million obey Jesus on Earth. Only 8 or 9 million even know what Jesus actually taught. So its just as Jesus spoke=FEW will find the road that leads off into life=Matt 7:14