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Who Are The Children Of God?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Phoneman777, Nov 10, 2018 at 2:08 AM.

  1. Phoneman777

    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    John 1:12 is clear that just being born into this world doesn't make one a "child of God" - we must become a child of God through the "new birth".

    If we are to be consistent...

    ...then we must reject the popular idea that the "temple of God" is a soon to be built structure in Jerusalem which ceremonies that are to commence within are to typify a Messiah that has yet to come to this Earth - an official, collective rejection of the precious blood of Jesus and a defiant middle finger in the face of God the Father. Such a building would never be recognized by God as the "temple of God' no sooner than an avowed devil worshiper can be recognized by Him as a "child of God". That temple, over which the Man of Sin sits "as God showing himself that he is God" is the church. This is textbook Protestant Historicism. Thoughts?
     
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  2. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Extremely faulty hermeneutics. And unfortunately, the Protestant Reformers bought the Roman Catholic eschatology hook, line, and sinker. No credit to them.

    If the Man of Sin (the Antichrist or the Beast) sits in the Church (the spiritual Temple of God, and the Body of Christ, not the RCC) at present, then we are of all men MOST MISERABLE. Indeed, we might as well all give up. What you have said is that the children of God are presently captives of Satan! That is close to blasphemy.

    And you have simply misunderstood Bible terminology.
    Any temple standing in Jerusalem since the time of Solomon would be "the temple of God", since God chose to have His temple placed there. However, we know from the history of Israel as revealed in the Bible that this temple was desecrated over and over again by the Jews themselves, and finally destroyed, then rebuilt, and then further improved by Herod. That did not change the fact that technically it was still the temple of God. For almost all the time of their existence, the first and second temples in Jerusalem did not maintain their purity and integrity, and indeed Christ had to literally cleanse the temple twice. Later it was destroyed by the Romans.

    But in order for the Man of Sin prophecy to be fulfilled there MUST be a temple of God in Jerusalem in the future. Unbelieving Jews will erect it, and as far as they are concerned (in their spiritual blindness) it will indeed be *the temple of God*. However, it will not really be God's temple, since Satan will control this temple through the Antichrist. And -- as a matter of fact -- there are definite plans in Israel right now to build a temple in Jerusalem and resume sacrifices. Which totally demolishes your theory.
     
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    CoreIssue Active Member

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    The bible says:
    The holy spirit has to be the removed before the AC can be revealed.
    Christ and the holy spirit cannot be in operation on the earth at the same time.
    Christ will return and rule for 1000 years.
    Law will return in a new form.
    The MK temple will built.
    The Church will be raptured.
    Israel will return as covenant nation via the new covenant to the house of Israel and house and Judah.
    The temple will be rebuilt.

    That is not Hisoricism, it is prophecy of things yet to come.

    What you're saying sounds like Kingdom Theology
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  4. Phoneman777

    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    No they didn't. They soundly rejected Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism for over 300 solid years, until the 19th century when Christian persecution by the papacy wound way down and Protestants got sloppy and started accepting Futurism.
    What is "faulty hermeneutics" is this purely subjective statement. God's people have been at times subjugated all throughout history - from Abraham's day and throughout the history of both Israel and the Christian church. Currently, the papacy has set itself up as the highest Christian authority.
    Again, faulty hermeneutics. God is through with earthly temples, as evidenced by the veil torn from top to bottom, signifying the end of the temple sacrificial system. The only physical "temple of God" structure that the Bible now recognizes is the found in Revelation 11, the one in heaven, in which our High Priest Jesus ministers.
    The only "temple of God" necessary for the Man of Sin to reign over as a self-proclaimed ruler is the Greek "naos", or "church" (1 Corinthians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21) which is the exact same Greek word Paul refers to as the "temple" over which the Man of Sin will exalt himself.
    Let me get this straight...
    The Jews falsely name Jesus "the Great Imposter" but God never once recognizes this false title of His Son...but...

    the Jews will falsely name their temple "the temple of God" and yet God recognizes it as such and inspires Paul do so also? Never happened. Paul is referring to the church.
    Demolishes NOTHING. Whatever they build, God will never recognize it as anything else but a glorified BBQ pit.
     
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  5. Reggie Belafonte

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    The Temple of God is within you, it's within your grasp.

    Sadly most people are looking for some moronic worldly Leader much Like Hitler or Stalin to rule with an iron rod, the sad thing is that they do not know Jesus, because if they did they would look to Jesus Christ and not go off astray, looking to trash like the Talmud Zionist to save them, what moronic fools they are to be lead by such Strong Delusions, it will not end well, yes Jesus will win in the end but why do such people want to come like moths to the Hellfire.

    I will stay out of it and abide in Jesus Christ and warn that the others are on the path that leads them to Hell if they follow them Jews or Islam or Political Correctness nonsense, they will only lead you astray, not to mention the fact is that such reject Jesus Christ and are idolising Satan's works.
     
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    As long as we abide in Jesus and His Word, the most fearful weapons of hell haven't the least power over us.
     
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    One problem I'm hearing here is saying there will never be another physical temple.

    Indeed, as born again, our bodies are a temple, but not occupied by Christ, but the holy spirit.

    To reveal the AC the holy spirit restrainer cannot be in the world.

    To remove him you also have to remove the Church. Meaning the rapture.

    There is no born again during the trib or MK.

    There is a new temple, restored Israel with all of its temple jobs and Christ as its high priest and king.

    You can argue against pretrib all you want. But you canot make the prophecies of the future work without it.

    I hear a lot spiritualizing prophecy to escape it. But, they cannot prove their claims biblically.

    Think people, anyone can come up with theories and making what the bible says figurative. But they can't prove anyone else wrong when they do so.
     
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    Who says God recognizes it as "the temple of God" in reality? I already explained that technically any temple in Jerusalem is "the temple of God". But was God present when Christ had to cleanse the temple, or when Babylon and Rome destroyed the temple? And did that change the FACT that it remained the temple until its destruction? And did Christ not prophesy the destruction of the existing temple, and the existence of a future temple which would be desecrated and result in the Great Tribulation?

    You idea that the Man of Sin sits in the Church of God (the Body of Christ as the Temple of God) is TOTALLY ABSURD. Think about and retract that hypothesis.
     
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    The Holy Spirit is Jesus as one in the Trinity.
    Jesus is the Holy Spirit, if one thinks that he is not, then you have another Jesus.
    Jesus Christ does only the will of the Father and all 3 are one in the same.
    If you have Jesus Christ you need nothing other, your home so to speak, there is nothing more to it than that, because that's were one must be and anything other than that is just a con or delusion.
    Where do you think God wants people to be, abiding with his only begotten Son, that's it, that's the whole point, regardless of the rapture or not.

    People who idolise the rapture are lost, they must be, because they are not Born Again, if they were truly Born Again then they would know they are home with Jesus Christ, they are not wondering about like a mongrel dog, because they are found and are as one in Jesus.

    One who is truly Born Again knows the answer is not with looking to mans works, making temples and such rot and idolising so called Jews, the ignorance is astounding for all the idiots who look to the Jews, not to mention they do not know jack about the Jews at all really beyond a 5yo, such nonsense it's just blind faith and it's just the blind leading the blind, the Jews are Satanist and the proof is in the pudding, they hate Jesus Christ, so why would any true Christian look to anyone who looks to such a mob, I just can not believe the audacity and unmitigated guile ! such is a slap in the face of Jesus not to mention such people would hang him up again gladly, thing is such people are only worldly they do not have the Holy Spirit, so they rant on and on about worldly things building things to God, ha what a joke ! that's stupid ! people only make things for there Idols.
    Jesus Christ is the way and the Light, nothing can trump Jesus ever. it's Jesus that everyone needs and narrow is the gate.

    Oh I hope Jesus comes again ? well one who says such must be lost. the world is in Sin and the wages of Sin is death and do you know why we have problems in the world todays, it's because people have abandoned Jesus Christ, they have turned their back on him and they are going to be lead into Hellfire, it's is all there own doing, not God, but God will win out in the end and they who are left will comprehend their folly, oh boy why did such happen they will ask themselves, well you abandoned Jesus Christ.
    They look to darkness for answers nowadays mans ways, when fact is you need the Holy Spirit to guide you and that's what is needed and Jesus is the Light, so what to do, if the works you abide in are of mans works they will be burnt up, so why follow mans works like a foolish hope that if all be really bad, supporting Sodomy, Socialism, communism and everything that is ungodly then God will burn them all up, but but but ! you the one who abided in such Sin think that you are going to be raptured up and not go through the Hellfire yourself, but the fact is such will go through it. Satan is a great fantastic deceiver ! I can see it, do I want it no, will it come yes, but I would prefer not to do it the easy way, that is about learning the hard way, but that is what fools always do, because they are lacking in guidance fortitude love of the Lord Jesus in there lives.
    I see it all the time with people and I say just stick with Jesus and do not get carried away by the mob, just abide in Jesus. but they get all bamboozled because they do not have faith that can move mountains.
     
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    I stopped reading the second I read:

    Jesus is the Holy Spirit, if one thinks that he is not, then you have another Jesus.
     
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