Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[David in NJ]

The fallen angels are in "hell" not running around on earth having sex with human women

2 Peter 2:4KJV
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

YES, this is where God placed these specific angels that "left their proper domain" and "came into the daughters of men".

ONLY these specific angels are currently "in hell.... in chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment".

 

[David in NJ]

Prove it!

You are doing a very good job of that - thank you!

 

[CadyandZoe]

But first the storyline would have to say that the sons of God were angels and then the Bible would have to define this as wrong, whoever they were.
This line of thinking flawed....should we say that Christ is evil because God came down and impregnated a woman.....did not marry her....and she was betrothed to someone already? Is the Son of God an angel?

I see your point, but I simply want to properly understand Selah.

 

[CadyandZoe]

A person can say whatever they want,

Sure, but as I learn how to interpret the Bible, I am also learning how to interpret other people. :) Yes?

the fallen angels were cast by "God" to "hell" and are bound there by "God" may the forum read it again and again

Assuming for the moment that the sons of God mentioned in Genesis six were angelic beings. And assume for the moment that it was a sin for them to mate with a human woman, what passage of scripture rules out or supports an antediluvian judgment of the angels?

The fallen angels are in "hell" bound by "God" not running around on earth having sex with human women

2 Peter 2:4KJV
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I get that. Peter declares that the sinful angels were cast down to hell. The question is when. Why do you say the sinning angels were in hell before Genesis 6? Just asking.

 

[Davy]

The verses that you provided in Peter and Jude have no bearing on this subject. Nothing in those verses are tied to the sons of God in Genesis. They actually go against it because Jude talks about events after the flood and Peter states that God brought judgement against people (not angelic beings) with the flood in those verses. If it was fallen angels Peter would of added them in the text of the flood.

Genesis even states that it was mankind who perished in the flood not angelic beings.

Peter did cover the point of the angels of Genesis 6 rebelling and being cast into chains and darkness because of what they did...

2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

 

[Davy]

You have done a good job

Well you have done a good job of twisting scriptures and taking scriptures out of context and adding outlandish speculations. Quite the skill you have there, have you ever considered being a Jehovah's Witness, all these skills would come in handy.

No, he did not twist Scripture. Genesis 6 IS... about fallen angels mating with the daughters of Adam. If you cannot understand why... that happened, it is because you failed to grasp how Satan continually attacked the Seed of The Woman that Jesus was to be born through, his first attempt was the murder of Abel. Even with king Herod, he ordered all firstborn infants to be killed in hopes of including baby Jesus.

Here is further Biblical proof of the existence of the hybrid-giant race...

Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
KJV

That is one of two places in the KJV where the translators failed to bring one of the names of the giants, Rephaim, into English.

We know per God's Word that even the wicked dead will have a resurrection, what Lord Jesus called the "resurrection of damnation" in John 5:28-29.

But THESE in Isaiah 26:14 here, it says, "they shall not rise". That means NO resurrection for them. And that is pointing to the hybrid-giant race which was a product of a group of Satan's angels that took wives of the flesh daughters of the man Adam, trying to taint the bloodline of the Seed that Christ would be born through.

This also is why Genesis 6:9 states that Noah was "perfect in his generations", which the Hebrew word for "perfect" is the same word used about the blood purity of sacrificial animals required for OT sacrifice to God. Noah had kept his bloodline from the man Adam pure, and had not mixed with those other peoples. So that definitely reveals the attack of that time was upon the bloodline of the Seed of the Woman that Jesus would be born through. Thus the reason for the flood.

Because Genesis 6:4 says, "and also after that", it means even after... the flood, there was a 2nd irruption of the angels mating with flesh woman. With those offspring of giants, God commanded the children of Israel to literally wipe off the face of the earth. And those giants just so happened to live mostly among the nations of Canaan (like the Emim, Anakim, Rephaim, Zuzim).

 

[Marty fox]

Peter did cover the point of the angels of Genesis 6 rebelling and being cast into chains and darkness because of what they did...

2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

What I said was that those verses didn't tie the fallen angles to the sons of God. Also verse 5 starts with "and" showing that its not the same

 

[Davy]

What I said was that those verses didn't tie the fallen angles to the sons of God. Also verse 5 starts with "and" showing that its not the same

Well those verses Peter said DOES tie with the time of Noah, IF... you simply read the 2 Peter 2:5 verse that follows...

2 Peter 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

Both of those 2 Peter 2:4-5 verses are together in subject, you can't try to separate them. The "And" at the start of that verse is in the Greek, and is a conjunction connecting the previous verse 4.

 

[Marty fox]

When the Jews worshipped the calf they did so with sexual orgies just as they learned in Egypt.
That was part of the worship - study about that.

v8 LIKEWISE = what is the COMMON

v8 refers back to the men of v4 and states exactly what the fallen angels did = "reject authority/left their proper domain"

v8 LIKEWISE = the angels rejected God's Authority by leaving their proper domain = Sin has a Beginning and then it runs it's course.
a.) reject God's Authority
b.) go where you are not permitted
c.) fulfill the desires of the flesh

Also v8-v11 ADDS MORE examples of what these men(then and today) are currently 'bringing to the table'

*** Important Note *** - verses 8 & 9 returns back to speaking of angels

speak evil of dignitaries. 9Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Marty do not make this mistake as some on here are doing = v10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know;

Once again you are assuming and adding to the scriptures. I quoted exactly what the scriptures said.

You also are still avoiding when I mentioned that the bible states that the flood was Gods judgement on the people of the world it doesn't say people and angelic beings.

 

[Marty fox]

Well those verses Peter said DOES tie with the time of Noah, IF... you simply read the 2 Peter 2:5 verse that follows...

2 Peter 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

Both of those 2 Peter 2:4-5 verses are together in subject, you can't try to separate them. The "And" at the start of that verse is in the Greek, and is a conjunction connecting the previous verse 4.

Revelation 12:7-8 shows when and why the fallen angles lost their place in heaven.

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

Once again you are assuming and adding to the scriptures. I quoted exactly what the scriptures said.

You also are still avoiding when I mentioned that the bible states that the flood was Gods judgement on the people of the world it doesn't say people and angelic beings.

Marty,
Not a word is being added to scripture and neither is there any avoidance.

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight"

Genesis ch6 - "the sons of God came into the daughters of men" = angels = Luke ch20, 2 Peter ch2 and Jude

Furthermore, the Prophet Daniel wrote that this would occur again in the End Time but with a much different approach.

Avoid unbelief and adding to God's words in unbelief = "the line of Seth came into the daughters of men"

Avoid following people who speak against Scripture by "speaking those things which they know not of."

Follow the Word beginning in Genesis.

If you disbelieve the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6 were angels then you disbelieve what God has said = SEE Post #722

That is the choice everyone will make - one Way or the other......

 

[Grailhunter]

It does in context not to mention Jewish history. There is no doubt Sons of God in the OT is used for angels.

I disagree with everything here....no direct context and the Bible does not in fact specifically define the sons of God much less say the words and "the sons of God were angels."

lol. That applies to you not me. You are the one going against what has been known as fact for centuries.

I am not the one adding to this. You are coming up with your own fictional account of this event. Again why not write your own Bible if you are going to do this. Have you done this throughout the Bible, just say things are of God when they are not there? When they are actually your words and saying your words are God's words?

 

[Grailhunter]

No, he did not twist Scripture. Genesis 6 IS... about fallen angels mating with the daughters of Adam.

The Bible does not define them as fallen angels. Again why not write your own Bible and say you are God? LOL

Over the centuries there has been a lot of interest in the event of the sons of God mating with the daughters of men and the offspring they produced. If you are interested in reviewing some of the theories on this story Wikipedia has some information on this….I say some but not all.

Sons of God - Wikipedia

Again we do not have all the information required to answer all the questions that these verses bring up. The problem is that the story itself is short, vague, and it is a stand alone event.

What we know and what we do not know…..

1. The Bible never indicates that the sons of God were angels. People list scriptures about bad angels or the fall of angels but the Bible never never ties the two together or says that the sons of God were angels or ties the fall of angels or the flood to this event. For another thing the fallen angels had already been judged no fallen angels running around? If you look at all of the accounts in the Bible that involve angels, they are never defined as the sons of God.

2. We do not know the linage of the daughters of men. Some try to trace it back to Seth but there is no consistent linage in the scriptures from Seth to the daughters that married the sons of God.

3. We do not know that the daughters of men were good or bad.

4. We do not know how many couplings there were....3 or 300 hundred.

5. We do not know for how long the sons of God were marrying women.

6. We do not know for sure if God objected to the coupling of the sons of God with the daughters of men. Could it be a bad thing for divine beings to impregnate women? So when Yahweh came down and impregnated Miriam, and did not marry her, and she was betrothed to another person was that a bad thing? According to the Mosaic law that is adultery. Are there exceptions to the rule? Is it permitted for divine beings to have sex with women, to marry women, to sire children with women? Interestingly enough, this is a common occurrence in Greco-Roman mythology.

The bottom line is that there is no evidence in the Bible that God objected to this event. To the contrary, odds are that the story of Job occurs after this event. And the sons of God are still presenting themselves before God in Heaven, so they were still in good standing with God and survived the flood.

7. The Bible indicates that angels do not marry or reproduce….does this mean that they are incapable of reproducing or that it is forbidden for them to reproduce? It is a sticky point, and one that has been debated over the centuries, but the sons of God that presented themselves before God in the Book of Job are not defined as angels in word or example. They appear to be undefined divine beings. The Old Testament does indicate the existence of other beings besides God and angels…..the Lord of hosts…etc. And since men do not present themselves before God in the Holy Court of God, they are definitely not human.

8. Who or whatever these beings were the Bible indicates they were special in that they sired superior men….mighty men of renown. And only men?

9. The phrase sons of God or the phrase son of God does not indicate anything negative in the Bible. The phrases denote good and important figures in the scriptures.

10. The Bible does not indicate that the offspring of these couplings were giants....mighty men....not mighty giants.

11. Mighty men and of renown….we do not know what they did to deserve this distinction. There is no lineage for the daughters of men or the descendants of the mighty men. This is odd, the Bible normally records lineage of normal descendants why not the offspring of the sons of God? How was it known that the sons of the sons of God were mighty men and renown if the flood happened shortly after this? So the sky has been the limit on speculation. Did the mighty men of the sons of God survive the flood?….Yes they did, they appear in Job. And apparently the giants survived the flood also. What about the sons of God, did they continue on with marrying women and siring children? Were people like Moses, Yoshua, Yacob, David etc, descendants of the mighty men, there is nothing to prove this.

12. There is no written connection between this event and the flood. The scriptures indicate that Yahweh caused the flood due the wickedness that abound on earth. Since this event with the sons of God is not described as wrong or wicked, there is no reason to assume that it was “the” cause of the flood. The wickedness that Yahweh was referring to was the whole world. But since the flood is mentioned in close proximity, it causes questions among the other questions. LOL Among questions?

13. “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” To some degree this verse is like the- Don't boil a kid in its mother's milk- verse....people don't know what it means, and the ones that say they do know come up with klondike explanations. My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;---What does this mean? Then- nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years-- What does this mean? It would seem to mean that the lifespan of men would be limited to 120 years....but then after this event, men continued to live for hundreds of years.

14. The interest in this story started with the Israelites. So now for thousands of years people have been speculating on this, debating on this, with no resolution. Why? Not enough information. But then there is less investigative effort to try to figure out what was going on when Yahweh descended on Mt. Sinai or Ezekiel’s flying machine than this anomaly.

15. We don't know where the giants came from, all we know is that there were more than one race of them and they were there before and after the sons of God mated with the daughters of men. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men,

16. The giant Nephilim like the Anakim, and the Rephaim are associated with groups later in the Old Testament that worshipped Pagan gods. Which brings up some other questions…

A. Did the giants survive the flood? How and why?

B. If the giants survived the flood could the sons of God and their wives and children have survived the flood?

C. "and they took wives for themselves," Wives not just sex acts. Is this an indication of morality? A marriage, did they stay with the women? Did they raise their sons?

For all these reasons there can be no conclusive determination on this story, all we can say for certain is that there has to be more to the story. Ergo all the efforts to speculate. Christians have been pondering the meaning of this story for centuries with no resolution.

Genesis 6:1-8
6 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6. The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord

 

[Marty fox]

Marty,
Not a word is being added to scripture and neither is there any avoidance.

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight"

Genesis ch6 - "the sons of God came into the daughters of men" = angels = Luke ch20, 2 Peter ch2 and Jude

Furthermore, the Prophet Daniel wrote that this would occur again in the End Time but with a much different approach.

Avoid unbelief and adding to God's words in unbelief = "the line of Seth came into the daughters of men"

Avoid following people who speak against Scripture by "speaking those things which they know not of."

Follow the Word beginning in Genesis.

If you disbelieve the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6 were angels then you disbelieve what God has said = SEE Post #722

That is the choice everyone will make - one Way or the other......

How can you say that there is no avoidance when 3 times I have asked you to explain Gensis stating that God only judged the people of the earth (no mention of angelic beings) and you haven't answered yet?

 

[Marty fox]

Marty,
Not a word is being added to scripture and neither is there any avoidance.

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight"

Genesis ch6 - "the sons of God came into the daughters of men" = angels = Luke ch20, 2 Peter ch2 and Jude

Furthermore, the Prophet Daniel wrote that this would occur again in the End Time but with a much different approach.

Avoid unbelief and adding to God's words in unbelief = "the line of Seth came into the daughters of men"

Avoid following people who speak against Scripture by "speaking those things which they know not of."

Follow the Word beginning in Genesis.

If you disbelieve the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6 were angels then you disbelieve what God has said = SEE Post #722

That is the choice everyone will make - one Way or the other......

Your adding you view of what you think it means when it doesn't actually state that and I quoted exactually what the scripters said.

 

[David in NJ]

Your adding you view of what you think it means when it doesn't actually state that and I quoted exactually what the scripters said.

The Holy Spirit is the Author.

The Holy Spirit never, not once, said "the line of Seth are the sons of God"

To say that is going directly against the Word of God.

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."

 

[David in NJ]

How can you say that there is no avoidance when 3 times I have asked you to explain Gensis stating that God only judged the people of the earth (no mention of angelic beings) and you haven't answered yet?

Your questions have been fully and completely answered in Luke ch20, 2 Peter ch2 and Jude.

In addition to that, God brought to you witness in Post #722

 

[Marty fox]

Your questions have been fully and completely answered in Luke ch20, 2 Peter ch2 and Jude.

In addition to that, God brought to you witness in Post #722

No they haven't and I'm asking you the question which you haven't answered 3 times So once more how do you explain Gensis stating that God only judged the people of the earth (no mention of angelic beings)?

This can determine the interpretation of those scriptures you referenced which don't state that the sons of God in Gensis were fallen angles.

In my 10 years of bible debating when people answer as you just did they don't know how to answer it I hope thats not what you are doing.

 

[David in NJ]

No they haven't and I'm asking you the question which you haven't answered 3 times So once more how do you explain Gensis stating that God only judged the people of the earth (no mention of angelic beings)?

This can determine the interpretation of those scriptures you referenced which don't state that the sons of God in Gensis were fallen angles.

In my 10 years of bible debating when people answer as you just did they don't know how to answer it I hope thats not what you are doing.

In my 40 years of studying the Scriptures, with much prayer, and speaking to many different Brethren,
i have great confidence in "It is written" and the Harmony of Scripture.

God told us what He did with the "angels that sinned" = 2 Peter ch2 and Jude = God's answer is sufficient and leaves no doubt.

Are you demanding from God that He clarify for you even further?

What you are doing is rejecting what God has said on the matter and forcing "Seth line are the sons of God" upon God's words.

Do you know that there is not one scriptural reference or witness to "Seth lineage are the sons of God"?

Since God never said that, why do you insist it's true?

 

[Marty fox]

In my 40 years of studying the Scriptures, with much prayer, and speaking to many different Brethren,
i have great confidence in "It is written" and the Harmony of Scripture.

God told us what He did with the "angels that sinned" = 2 Peter ch2 and Jude = God's answer is sufficient and leaves no doubt.

Are you demanding from God that He clarify for you even further?

What you are doing is rejecting what God has said on the matter and forcing "Seth line are the sons of God" upon God's words.

Do you know that there is not one scriptural reference or witness to "Seth lineage are the sons of God"?

Since God never said that, why do you insist it's true?

Yet once again you didn't answer my question could you please just answer it?

Yes God judged the fallen angles who sinned but He never once in the bible said that the sin was fornicating with the daughter of men.

Jude stated this

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day

And Revelation shows us why they lost their position

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.

So I am using the bible to interpret the bible.

The bible separates Seths offspring and Cains offspring. The bible also shows that only the people in Seth's line called on the name of the Lord and walked with God. The fact is that all of the faithful excepts for Noah conformed which is the reason that God judged the world.

Paul also told us this in Corinthians

39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

The bible also repeatley calls faithful people children of God and Gensis specifies sons of God because it only records the males in the line of Seth and that also explains why the daughters are only called the daughters of men .

Thus I use the scriptures to interpet scriptures