Who, can Not Sin and Why?

[Jack]

Unless I am mistaken, sins washed away currently applies worldwide to anyone anywhere Gal 3v28 which was different to times past.

Romans 3:24-25
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

 

[Jack]

The main aspect of being born again (receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit) is that you do not want to sin any longer. It's a miracle.

When the apostle John says : and he cannot sin, because he is born of God he must have meant that : do not want to sin.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

John clearly included himself.

 

[ProDeo]

John addressed both the unsaved and the saved (born again), so there is no contradiction except that the flesh is contrary to the Spirit. Thus, the old man of flesh and blood is "rightly" told one thing and spoken of differently than the new born again man born of the spirit of God--God who sins not.

1Joh 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [KJV]

Are you saying : because God can not sin (obvious of course) those born of God can not sin ?

But do understand, it is this great difference (the body of flesh and sin, and that of the Spirit) that makes for our salvation--by that difference we are saved. Therefore, the two are "rightly divided" and referred to separately, even while we walk both in the flesh and in the spirit. Which can indeed be confusing and easily mixed together as one doctrine...except that we have been told to "rightly divide" the Word to know what is actually the "truth."

No disagreements here.

As for the crux of the matter -

1. Born again means salvation, but not sinless.
2. Born again means salvation, we may consider ourselves sinless because of that per 1John 3:9
3. Born again means salvation, God sees us as sinless through the blood of Christ, we never have to confess our sins.
4. Born again means salvation, God sees us as sinless through the blood of Christ, we have to confess our sins.

My vote goes to option one.

But maybe you have a fifth option

 

[ScottA]

1Joh 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [KJV]

Are you saying : because God can not sin (obvious of course) those born of God can not sin ?

One precept at a time:

Yes. But that assumes one understands that "Christ in you"--that spirit of God born in the born again--is not the old man of sin.

Which speaks of "the man of sin revealed" (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Meaning, the man of sin is revealed when and because he is born of flesh and blood, but the son of God born "within" that man--he is not revealed, as is true of "everyone born of the Spirit" (John 3:8).

The point again, being, there are two bodies not to be confused with each other by mixing all scripture as if there is only one body from the two different births. Which comes under the reason for "rightly dividing the word of truth."

 

[Jack]

Unconfessed sin / Unforgiven sin

VERY dangerous!

 

[ScottA]

1Joh 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [KJV]

Are you saying : because God can not sin (obvious of course) those born of God can not sin ?



No disagreements here.

As for the crux of the matter -

1. Born again means salvation, but not sinless.
2. Born again means salvation, we may consider ourselves sinless because of that per 1John 3:9
3. Born again means salvation, God sees us as sinless through the blood of Christ, we never have to confess our sins.
4. Born again means salvation, God sees us as sinless through the blood of Christ, we have to confess our sins.

My vote goes to option one.

But maybe you have a fifth option

Those are the religious understandings and teachings of men. All of which do not correctly define being born again. "Again" means twice-born--two different bodies--not one body that is washed or cleansed as many consider it to mean, but one body that is completely dissolved in death--with fire, and one which is free from death forevermore, having been born of God rather than of Satan.

Two [different] births resulting in two different bodies--both of which the scriptures speak of--that need to be "rightly divided."

And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:4​

 

[ScottA]

Unconfessed sin / Unforgiven sin

VERY dangerous!

All who are truly born again of the spirit of God are forgiven, which indeed does not come to any who do not first confess their sins.

For-given: Given "before the foundation of the world" by "the Lamb who was slain."​

 

[Jack]

All who are truly born again of the spirit of God are forgiven, which indeed does not come to any who do not first confess their sins.

For-given: Given "before the foundation of the world" by "the Lamb who was slain."​

Unconfessed sin / Unforgiven sin

VERY dangerous!

 

[OneGospel]

Romans 3:24-25
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

Thank you Jack
Rom 3v26-28 is also important
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[ScottA]

Unconfessed sin / Unforgiven sin

VERY dangerous!

Yeah, so--"it is given once for men to die!" --What's your point--you just like scaring born again babes born as One with God never to sin?

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Luke 17:2​

 

[ProDeo]

Those are the religious understandings and teachings of men. All of which do not correctly define being born again. "Again" means twice-born--two different bodies--not one body that is washed or cleansed as many consider it to mean, but one body that is completely dissolved in death--with fire, and one which is free from death forevermore, having been born of God rather than of Satan.

Two [different] births resulting in two different bodies--both of which the scriptures speak of--that need to be "rightly divided."

I am sorry Scott, obviously I have only one body.

Teach me where in Scripture it states a born again has two bodies.

 

[Jack]

Yeah, so--"it is given once for men to die!" --What's your point--you just like scaring born again babes born as One with God never to sin?

It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Luke 17:2​

Claiming 'CANNOT sin' may be eternally fatal.

 

[Behold]

Another Israel wannabee?

John 11:45
45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him.

Many people, both Jews and Gentiles "believed" while Jesus was on the earth, BEFORE His Crucifixion.
So, what is the issue then, if they had already "believed"?
The issue is.......there was no Holy Spirit yet sent down from Heaven until AFTER Jesus was resurrected and went back to Heaven.
And Reader, why does that matter?
It matters because until you have the Holy Spirit in you, ..until you have become "THE temple of the Holy Spirit"... "you are NONE OF GOD's" = Paul teaches.
So, even tho there were many many believers in Jesus before He was Crucified.... noone was actually a born again CHRISTian yet because until the Holy Spirit births you Spiritually as one, you are not a Christian.
You're just a disciple.

Now, something interesting, is that the 11 remaining Apostles did receive the Holy Spirit, before Jesus sent Him down in Acts 2.
So, beginning in John 20:22, they had become Christians., because they received the Holy Spirit from Jesus.
They were the first.

Later, AFTER Jesus sent down the Holy Spirit in Acts 2, then ALL Believers became BORN AGAIN.... = including those Jews who talked to Mary in John 11...... while Jesus was still on the earth before He was Crucified.... and once all these were "sealed unto the day of redemption" by the Holy Spirit, they are now a etermal child of God, a part of the "NT Church" that is the "Body of Christ".

 

[Jack]

Romans 3:1-4
1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision?
2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?
4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged."

 

[ScottA]

I am sorry Scott, obviously I have only one body.

Teach me where in Scripture it states a born again has two bodies.

Okay.

First, is Jesus' explanation of those born again of the spirit of God:

John 3:8​

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”​

Then Paul's further explanation (in God's own unfolding teaching method of "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" during these times of His revelation) indicating that the natural body is mere seed that dies but with God can produce another [spirit] body. He begins:

1 Corinthians 15:36-38​

Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.​

Paul finishes with, as confirming:

1 Corinthians 15:44​

It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.​

Those are the basics, but the matter does also continue in the scriptures to explain that the born again experience is infinitely more than many believe. But as God's method of revealing "here a little there a little" goes, each "precept" or piece is also found at a different place or time of revealing, sometimes only eluded to, only to be fully known when the times of revealing are fulfilled--as it is written that "knowledge shall increase." In that way, Paul then eludes to the unique status experienced of the born again (experienced only during these times of the gentiles, since Pentecost) by referring to the born again as, "we who are alive and remain." Which by definition does not refer to those still remaining unsaved, not born again of the spirit of God, who are biblically referred to as "dead", but as those who have passed from death to life, having been born again of the seed of God who is Life. Paul's reference to "remain" is where most become confused--because "remaining" in our old sinful body, we don't see all that God has done--because we only actually see our old body and not our new spirit body, and thus attribute everything we do to both bodies as if they were one--when according to scripture, they are not, but two different bodies. Which God has done for the purpose of fulfilling the great Commission, saying, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations..."

Therefore, it is best if we know and understand all that God has done, that our witness of the gospel is true and accurate, with us serving in our old bodies, and God working in our new bodies.

And there is more--this is "the first resurrection!"

 

[ScottA]

Claiming 'CANNOT sin' may be eternally fatal.

Not according to scripture (you're out in the weeds if you think so).

 

[Jack]

Not according to scripture (you're out in the weeds if you think so).

If I'm wrong I'll be fine. If you're wrong you have a LOT to lose!

unconfessed sin / unforgiven sin

 

[ScottA]

If I'm wrong I'll be fine. If you're wrong you have a LOT to lose!

unconfessed sin / unforgiven sin

You speak for yourself, and yet no, if you are wrong you will be less than "fine", for to be boastfully wrong about matters of God, is anti-Christ.

As for me, I have nothing, nor have I stated my position--but I have been silent and it is He who speaks, just as it is written and foretold to occur.

 

[Jack]

You speak for yourself, and yet no, if you are wrong you will be less than "fine",

You mean I can become unsaved? So much for OSAS!

for to be boastfully wrong about matters of God, is anti-Christ.

You're confessing?

As for me, I have nothing, nor have I stated my position--but I have been silent and it is He who speaks, just as it is written and foretold to occur.

Oh, so you can sin. Don't feel bad tho. Paul and John admitted it also. But they weren't too proud to admit it.

 

[Taken]

You are speculating.

And no, "the main aspect of being born again", is being born of the spirit of God as a completely new creation literally having a different body, rather than born of flesh and blood as a son or daughter of Satan.

Amen!

A born Again man…Has a NEW BODY…
Patience…Patience…Patience …

A mans New Body, is Manifested, Seen…
WHEN the Body IS RISEN UP in its Glory!!!

Meantime…
A man BORN AGAIN NOW…IS Living “IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Body…”
The precise meaning of Those;
IN Christ

Glory to God,
Taken