Who Do You Worship?

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quietthinker

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Jesus Christ has to be Almighty God because the Father Commands to WORSHIP Him

Something impossible if Jesus is any inferior to GOD
Worship has more to do with admiration than obeisance
We worship what we admire, we talk about what/who we admire and if our admiration is overflowing we will give our lives for its object.

We can ask ourselves, what/who is it we talk to people about? Is it doctrinal correctness according to our perception or is it one who has become the lover of our souls?
 

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what do you find 'rubbish' about my statement BGTF?

That worship of Jesus Christ is simply admiration

It is total honour reverence and service to Jesus exactly as to the Father.

Jesus says that in John 5.23, that those who don't HONOR Him, exactly as they HONOR the Father, don't HONOR the Father either

Only Almighty God can be HONORED equally with the Father
 

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That worship of Jesus Christ is simply admiration

It is total honour reverence and service to Jesus exactly as to the Father.

Jesus says that in John 5.23, that those who don't HONOR Him, exactly as they HONOR the Father, don't HONOR the Father either

Only Almighty God can be HONORED equally with the Father
So 'HONOR' has become a new law for you?
Could it be that those who admire also honour......by its very nature?
 

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To ByGraceThroughFaith,

Hebrew 1:6 reads: “But when he again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all God’s angels worship him.’” The writer of Hebrews is here quoting from Psalm 97:7, which reads (in part): “Bow down to him, all you gods.” The Septuagint Version, from which this writer evidently quoted, reads: “Worship Him all ye His angels.”

These texts seem to raise a problem because they appear to conflict with Jesus’ plain statement to Satan the Devil: “It is written, ‘It is YHWH your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”Matthew 4:10.

The Greek word rendered “worship” at Hebrews 1:6 is proskyneo.This Greek word is also used at Psalm 97:7 in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word shahhah. What is the sense of these Hebrew and Greek terms?

Shahhah means basically “to bow down.” (Proverbs 12:25) Such bowing might be done as an act of respect toward another human, as to a king (1 Samuel 24:8; 2 Samuel 24:20) or a prophet. (2 Kings 2:15) Abraham bowed down to the Canaanite sons of Heth from whom he sought to buy a burial place. (Genensis 23:7) Isaac’s blessing on Jacob called for national groups and Jacob’s own “brothers” to bow down to him.(Genesis 27:29)

From the above examples it is clear that this Hebrew term of itself does not necessarily have a religious sense or signify worship. Nevertheless, in a large number of cases it is used in connection with worship, either of the true God (Exodus 24:1; Psalm 95:6) or of false gods(Deuteronomy 4:19; 8:19)

The Greek word proskyneo corresponds closely with the Hebrew word shahhah as to conveying the thought of both obeisance to creatures and worship to God or a deity. While the manner of expressing the obeisance is perhaps not so prominent in proskyneo as in shahhah, where the Hebrew term graphically conveys the thought of prostration or bowing down, some lexicographers suggest that originally the Greek term did emphatically portray this idea.

Obeisance (proskyneo) to a human king is found in Jesus’ illustration at Matthew 18:26. It is also evident that this was the kind of obeisance the astrologers rendered to the child Jesus, “born king of the Jews,” and also that Herod professed interest in expressing, and that the soldiers mockingly rendered to Jesus before his impalement. They clearly did not view Jesus as God or as a deity.(Matthew 2:2, 8; Mark 15:19)

While some translators use the word “worship” in the majority of cases where proskyneo describes persons’ actions toward Jesus, the evidence does not warrant one’s reading too much into this rendering. Rather, the circumstances that evoked the obeisance correspond very closely with those producing obeisance to the earlier prophets and kings. (Compare Matthew 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 20:20 with 1 Samuel 25:23, 24; 2 Samuel 14:4-7; 1 Kings 1:16; 2 Kings 4:36, 37.) The very expressions of those involved often reveal that, while they clearly recognized Jesus as God’s representative, they rendered obeisance to him, not as to God or a deity, but as “God’s Son,” the foretold “Son of man,” the Messiah with divine authority.(Matthew 14:32, 33; 28:5-10, 16-18; Luke 24:50-52; John 9:35, 38)

Evidently Christ’s coming had brought in new relationships affecting standards of conduct toward others of God’s servants. He taught his disciples that “one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers . . . your Leader is one, the Christ.” (Matthew 23:8-12) For it was in him that the prophetic figures and types found their fulfillment, even as the angel told John that “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.” (Revelation 19:10) Jesus was David’s Lord, the greater than Solomon, the prophet greater than Moses. (Luke 20:41-43; Matthew 12:42; Acts 3:19-24) The obeisance rendered those men prefigured that due Christ. Peter therefore rightly refused to let Cornelius make too much of him.

On the other hand, Christ Jesus has been exalted by his Father to a position second only to God, so that “in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”(Philippians 2:9-11; compare Daniel 7:13, 14, 27)

In view of all this, how are we to understand Hebrews 1:6, which shows that even the angels render “worship” to the resurrected Jesus Christ? While many translations of this text render proskyneo as “worship,” some render it by such expressions as “bow before” (The Bible—An American Translation) and “pay homage” (The New English Bible). No matter what English term is used, the original Greek remains the same and the understanding of what it is that the angels render to Christ must agree with the rest of the Scriptures.

If the rendering “worship” is preferred, then it must be understood that such “worship” is only of a relative kind. For Jesus himself emphatically stated to Satan that “it is YHWH your God you must worship [form of proskyneo], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:8-10; Luke 4:7, 8) True, Psalm 97, which the apostle evidently quotes at Hebrews 1:6, refers to Jehovah God as the object of the ‘bowing down,’ and still this text was applied to Christ Jesus. (Ps. 97:1, 7) However, the apostle previously had shown that the resurrected Christ became the “reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being.” (Heb. 1:1-3) Hence, if what we understand as “worship” is apparently directed to the Son by angels, it is in reality being directed through him to YHWH God, the Sovereign Ruler, “the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”(Revelation 14:7; 4:10, 11; 7:11, 12; 11:16, 17; compare 1 Chronicles 29:20; Revelation 5:13, 14)

On the other hand, the renderings “bow before” and “pay homage” (instead of “worship”) are in no way out of harmony with the original language, either the Hebrew of Psalm 97:7 or the Greek of Hebrews 1:6, for such translations convey the basic sense of both the Hebrew word shahhah and the Greek word proskyneo.
 

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@BARNEY BRIGHT

The NWT of 1950 is 100% RIGHT, and used WORSHIP, and do 99% of all English translations. You would choose SOME that support your nonsense!

Hebrews 1:6 is a COMMAND in the Greek, and would hardly have the meaning, that the Father says to be "nice and kind" to Jesus Christ!

I have also shown from the Watchtower yearbook, where the Father AND Jesus Christ are to be WORSHIPPED.

Revelation 5:13-14, is clear

I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb be the Blessing, the Honor, the Glory, and the Might, forever and ever! Amen!” The four living creatures said, “Amen!” Then the elders fell down and worshiped"

Notice here, that "ALL the Blessing, the Honor, the Glory, and the Might", that is given to THE FATHER, is ALSO given to JESUS CHRIST, and BOTH are WORSHIPPED.

The Greek "τὸ κράτος", means ALL MIGHT, which is ALMIGHTY. Which applies to BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ

One of the strongest Testimonies to the ABSOLUTE DEITY of Jesus Christ, and His EQUALITY with the Father
 

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I s'pose the donkey who rebuked Balaam disqualified the validity of his words because he was a donkey.

White is on record of saying, that those who worship the Lord on Sundays, will receive the mark of the beast. this means that the New Testament Worshippers, including the Disciples, and Paul, and the GREATER MAJORITY, 99% of Christians, are in hell!

This is what Paul calls, "teaching of demons"
 

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White is on record of saying, that those who worship the Lord on Sundays, will receive the mark of the beast. this means that the New Testament Worshippers, including the Disciples, and Paul, and the GREATER MAJORITY, 99% of Christians, are in hell!

This is what Paul calls, "teaching of demons"
I see you like to morph the subject BGTF........ie, spin it off in an unrelated direction
 
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