Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[Davidpt]

I’m not saying Jesus prepared the place while he was in hell, the place was prepared the moment Jesus died on the cross.

When Jesus said I go to prepare a place for the he’s saying he’s going to the cross to pay the price for us.

The only reason Old Testament saints didn’t go to heaven is because the way had not been made yet.

I understand now. I will say this, to be fair, your view has some logic to it, thus not unreasonable. I just don't know if you are correct or not.

I guess when you really think about it, the fact he hasn't went anywhere at that point, that when He comes again it could indeed mean when He rises from the dead. After all, if He didn't rise from the dead, He wouldn't be coming again at any time whatsoever. He would still be dead. And coming again maybe implies the next time He comes, not the last time he comes

 

[IndianaRob]

I understand now. I will say this, to be fair, your view has some logic to it, thus not unreasonable. I just don't know if you are correct or not.

You’re missing the point David. It can not be incorrect. The disciples are dead and in heaven now. It’s impossible that Jesus could “come again” to them, they’re no longer in this realm.

 

[Davidpt]

You’re missing the point David. It can not be incorrect. The disciples are dead and in heaven now. It’s impossible that Jesus could “come again” to them, they’re no longer in this realm.

I added to that post. Did you read rest of it as well? It's as if I'm trying to talk myself into that you might be correct here. I'm trying to be objective, regardless.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The rapture/harpazo Paul wrote about is complete. No partial rapture or rapture later of any that weren't.

Mat 24 "one taken, one left behind"
Mat 25 half the virgins taken.
Both groups are complete as you say.
Complete groups with half taken.
Jesus taught it and he put the setting of it pretrib.
No carnal secular believers are taken in the pretrib rapture.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Believers are already married to Jesus right now and should be eating at the marriage supper of the Lamb right now.

Not so.
The betrothal is the bride and groom agreemant, for a future wedding.
The last supper mirrors that betrothal vividly.
In heaven, at the white horses, it is announced that the bride has become the wife sometime earlier in heaven.

 

[IndianaRob]

I added to that post. Did you read rest of it as well? It's as if I'm trying to talk myself into that you might be correct here. I'm trying to be objective, regardless.

I went back and read it again, and I'm glad you see it. But this is only one of many verses that get misunderstood — and each misunderstanding builds on the last until the truth is buried completely.