Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[rwb]

Speaking of the 1,000 years...
Isaiah 65:20
No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.

How do YOU define this verse? What do you believe Isaiah means? Bear in mind the context for understanding this verse shall be fulfilled when "I create a new heavens and a new earth". The new heavens and new earth are being created as the gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is proclaimed unto all the earth. It is now, in this age of time the Kingdom of God in heaven, a spiritual not physical Kingdom. God is creating something altogether new, not as things physically exist.

Isa 65:17 ¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

 

[David in NJ]

You don't seem to understand the fullness of a christians hope.

When was the last time you read 1 Corinthians chapter 15

 

[rwb]

Ez 28:15...You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.

Unrighteousness was found in satan after he was created....after he walked in the garden of Eden in an un-fallen state yet prior to the temptation in the garden.

These words, through lamentation are directed upon the "king of Tyrus", a human being. How was king Tyrus in Eden the garden of God? Would you agree that all of humankind are according to seed of Adam & Eve? A&E were created perfect until iniquity was found in them. King Tyrus, like A&E from whom they came, through iniquity, pride and rebellion against God, passed down to him through natural flesh. King Tyrus, being blessed by God, showed himself to be of the same nature of all fallen humanity through the seed of A&E who were created perfect and in beauty in Eden, the garden of God until sin was found in them. Scripture never speaks of Satan as being perfect until iniquity was found in him. In fact, Scripture tells us that at creation when he like all things created in heaven and earth, was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

 

[CrowCross]

How do YOU define this verse? What do you believe Isaiah means? Bear in mind the context for understanding this verse shall be fulfilled when "I create a new heavens and a new earth". The new heavens and new earth are being created as the gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is proclaimed unto all the earth. It is now, in this age of time the Kingdom of God in heaven, a spiritual not physical Kingdom. God is creating something altogether new, not as things physically exist.

People currently die.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

 

[CrowCross]

When was the last time you read 1 Corinthians chapter 15

I fail to see your point.

 

[rwb]

Satan is currently free. Not in the pit.

Some people in error say we currently are in Satans little season.

The rapture occur 7 years prior to the tribulation....and before the literal 1,000 year reign.
When you discern the headlines you conclude Jesus return is very close.

The new Jerusalem coming down is after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

You've presented your opinions but without any verification from Scripture for what you believe. I desire to learn from the Word of God, if you don't answer from the Word of God, why would I believe you have rightly divided the Bible?

 

[CrowCross]

These words, through lamentation are directed upon the "king of Tyrus", a human being. How was king Tyrus in Eden the garden of God? Would you agree that all of humankind are according to seed of Adam & Eve? A&E were created perfect until iniquity was found in them. King Tyrus, like A&E from whom they came, through iniquity, pride and rebellion against God, passed down to him through natural flesh. King Tyrus, being blessed by God, showed himself to be of the same nature of all fallen humanity through the seed of A&E who were created perfect and in beauty in Eden, the garden of God until sin was found in them. Scripture never speaks of Satan as being perfect until iniquity was found in him. In fact, Scripture tells us that at creation when he like all things created in heaven and earth, was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Everyone understands the King of Tyre was a type of satan.
How does this description fit a human king?

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;

Was the king of Tyre an angel?

 

[David in NJ]

I fail to see your point.

No, not my pov but the POV of the Holy Spirit

Please read 1 Cor chapter 15

 

[rwb]

People currently die.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

True, because this is referring to what shall be as God creates new heavens and a new earth.

 

[CrowCross]

You've presented your opinions but without any verification from Scripture for what you believe. I desire to learn from the Word of God, if you don't answer from the Word of God, why would I believe you have rightly divided the Bible?

Eph 6. Why take up the shield if it extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one?


15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one;

 

[CrowCross]

No, not my pov but the POV of the Holy Spirit

Please read 1 Cor chapter 15

Present your point..I'm not a mind reader...or move on.

 

[CrowCross]

True, because this is referring to what shall be as God creates new heavens and a new earth.

Are you saying people will die in eternity?

 

[rwb]

Everyone understands the King of Tyre was a type of satan.
How does this description fit a human king?

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;

Was the king of Tyre an angel?

Yes, I agree! No doubt King Tyrus was indeed of his father the Devil, spiritually he was like the one he served. It is through natural birth through natural seed of A&E. Though the Bible does not speak of Adam specifically being anointed, God did make man guardian, given the role of stewardship over all that God created. Man was to serve, guard and protect which is what "dress it and to keep it" pertains to.

Genesis 2:15 (KJV) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

No, king Tyrus was a mere mortal man. Angels are spirit beings sent to minister to human heirs of salvation. The word defined Satan is an opponent or enemy of good, spiritually working out his evil deeds through fallen mankind.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[rwb]

Are you saying people will die in eternity?

Of course not, and neither does the verse in question. It says exactly the opposite.

 

[CrowCross]

Of course not, and neither does the verse in question. It says exactly the opposite.

It does????

 

[WPM]

You are avoiding the truth in Genesis.

You are avoiding the question! Where does it mention or teach a future millennial kingdom in Genesis?

 

[David in NJ]

Present your point..I'm not a mind reader...or move on.

Did you read chapter 15?

 

[David in NJ]

You are avoiding the question! Where does it mention or teach a future millennial kingdom in Genesis?

Is the Gospel the Kingdom of God?

 

[WPM]

Is the Gospel the Kingdom of God?

A kingdom includes the territory and the people over whom the King rules and exercises sovereign authority. The term also includes the legislation and laws that administrate that kingdom.

So,

• A kingdom must therefore have a king, a head – Jesus Christ.
• It must have a domain to rule over, subjects and territory – God’s people.
• It must have a structure of administration, ethics, rules and laws which govern it – the Word of God.

 

[David in NJ]

A kingdom includes the territory and the people over whom the King rules and exercises sovereign authority. The term also includes the legislation and laws that administrate that kingdom.

So,

• A kingdom must therefore have a king, a head – Jesus Christ.
• It must have a domain to rule over, subjects and territory – God’s people.
• It must have a structure of administration, ethics, rules and laws which govern it – the Word of God.

Does not the Gospel contain all?