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to someone who is uncomfortable with the realization that believers speaking about future things as if they knew fit that spiritual profile to a t, sure. "This is the truth, i already explained that, this is the bottom line," all these are the prerogatives of Yah, imo anyway.
i guess it would be their soul
dont hold your breath imo...or, the brick and mortar temple has already been rebuilt prolly,
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Well, yes, i may need to look further into this. As it stands now, 2 Thess 2 appeared to occur just before the 2nd coming. This is why I would think that the Temple may require rebuilding to fulfill prophecy. But, will need to further gather related scriptures to verify this position.
 

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exactly imo, ty

funny to me how the Holy Trinitizers are the ones seem to be in the most fear
Why do you and ViJ think we are in fear? I for one am not afraid. I don't know anyone who is rightly dividing the Truth expressing fear.
Whatever your beliefs about the trinity or oneness is doesn't negate prophesy of the coming of Jesus and the appearance of the false messiah. But letting scripture interpret scripture Daniel and Revelation and even Jeremiah all support the events that will take place. Will I even be here? Who knows...only the Father knows. I don't give thought on it much except for when it comes along on the forum.
I witness to people the love of Christ not fear.
 

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Something else to note is that the Greek word for six is *hex*. So a triple six is probably the most powerful hex. But in English *hex* means the casting of a spell by a witch. At the same time that God sends a strong delusion upon this earth, Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet will cast a spell (through their Satanic miracles) to deceive the world into worshiping them.

And he [the False Prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(Rev 13:13-15)
Interesting correlation, ...not sure if coincidental, meaning, I'd be hesitant to believe that a double meaning was intended by translating into English?
But, one can't deny that the principle is true, regardless if the 'double entendre' was intended or not.
Thanks!
 

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Well, yes, i may need to look further into this. As it stands now, 2 Thess 2 appeared to occur just before the 2nd coming. This is why I would think that the Temple may require rebuilding to fulfill prophecy. But, will need to further gather related scriptures to verify this position.
No where in scripture is there mentioning of a future temple being built, this is all speculation.
 
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Why do you and ViJ think we are in fear? I for one am not afraid.

was not saying you fear, Heart2Soul. I’ve struggled with the spirit of fear and bondage so I have no place to point anyone else out. Was only saying it is bondage and leads to death from experience.
 
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was not saying you fear, Heart2Soul. I’ve struggled with the spirit of fear and bondage so I have no place to point anyone else out. Was only saying it is bondage and leads to death from experience.
My apology, it is just that @bbyrd009 was responding to your post and I paired the two of you on the fear factor.....not sure how all this even became a topic on this thread...((shrug))
 

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Well, yes, i may need to look further into this. As it stands now, 2 Thess 2 appeared to occur just before the 2nd coming. This is why I would think that the Temple may require rebuilding to fulfill prophecy. But, will need to further gather related scriptures to verify this position.
But isn't it weird that the people of Israel are gathering all the material needed to rebuild that temple?

Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice Ministries International

here is a portion of what is in this article.....

Are we any closer to the rebuilding of the Temple today? The world is radically opposed to Israel’s claims in Jerusalem, much less their contested ownership of the Temple Mount. On a practical level, Jews are banned by Israeli law from praying at the site, and those who visit are daily accosted by Muslims, such as the Women in Black, who maintain a constant vigil on Jewish presence at the site. In addition, the Islamic authorities officially deny that a Temple ever existed at the site. Nevertheless, recent developments have contributed to the Temple Movement’s goals and the realization of the rebuilding of the Temple in our lifetime.

Answering the charge of denial a Jewish Temple ever existed on the site, archaeologists discovered in decades-old research that the site of the Al-Aqsa mosque, which Muslims believe was built by Abraham, was once a place for Jewish ritual preparation for entering the Temple. The evidence for this came from a report filed by British archaeologist Robert Hamilton who had documented excavations of the mosque’s foundations after it was destroyed in an earthquake in 1927. He discovered beneath the floor of the mosque the remains of a Jewish miqveh (ritual pool used for purification). It dated to the time of the Second Temple when Jews immersed at this site before entering the Temple precincts. These findings, hidden deep in the British Mandatory archives department because they embarrassed Muslim officials, now provide evidence that the ancient Temple stood on the modern Temple Mount and was a place of Jewish presence.

Concerning the preparations for the Temple service, the Sanhedrin has taken steps necessary for reinstating future Temple service. One project of the group has been the planting of the Biblical Temple forest which will serve the agricultural needs of the Third Temple. Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, explained that the Temple provided a link between the land and the Divine: “When people think about sacrifices, they think about animals and blood, but most were from plants grown around Israel.”

Rabbi Richman, also a member of the Sanhedrin, has been heading a project to restore the sacred Red Heifer to Israel. According to Numbers 19, the ashes of the Red Heifer mixed with water are a necessary element for purifying Jews to enable them to do service in the Temple. During the time of the First and Second Temples, a span of approximately 1,000 years, only nine Red Heifers were used in preparing the waters used to purify Jews. According to Jewish tradition, the tenth one will be used by the Messiah. Richman and other rabbis of the Temple Institute are providing halachic supervision and guidance in partnership with an Israeli cattleman who is an expert in the science of animal husbandry. He is utilizing the technique of implanting the frozen embryos of the Red Angus cattle, which originally come from North America, into Israeli domestic cattle. A red heifer cannot be transported to Israel for use in the Red Heifer ceremony, because the animal cannot have ever worn a yoke and must be born in the Land of Israel. The project is the culmination of years of research at the Temple Institute that fuses ancient religious texts and modern science.

The Sanhedrin and the Temple Movement also hold reenactments of Temple ceremonies for the training of those who are from the priestly class known as Kohanim. This training involves special schooling on the duties of the priests, the use of ritual vessels created for use in the Third Temple, and practice on a newly constructed altar of burnt offering. This altar is unique because it was designed to be disassembled and quickly reassembled in its proper permanent location, because the people of Israel are required to build an altar exclusively on the site of the original altar on Mount Moriah, the Temple Mount. When the time is right, it will be re-assembled on the Mount in the Temple, enabling the sacrificial service to be resumed without delay.



"For Orthodox Jews committed to reestablishing the Temple, both the
present problems of the world and the problems faced by the Jewish people
will be solved only by rebuilding."
Another recent rediscovery of the Temple Institute has been the revival of the science of producing biblical crimson. This dye was used in the garments of the High Priest, the parochet (the massive curtain that separated the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place in the Temple), and was an ingredient used in the mixture combined with ashes of the Red Heifer. Professor Zohar Amar of Bar Ilan University discovered that the eggs of the tola’at shani (crimson worm) found in modern Israel would produce the crimson dye.

While the Temple Movement continues to prepare for the rebuilding of the Temple, most understand that some political action must take place to reverse the present situation of control of the Mount by Muslims, in order to allow for Jewish access. This currently may be in process. Concerning the site, Israel’s Supreme Court has stated in its ruling Opinion on the Issue of the Works on the Temple Mount, “The reality on the Temple Mount…is by no means simple. It is extremely delicate and complicated…This is one of those cases in which a judicial ruling is not the reasonable way to decide the dispute, and a decision of this kind goes beyond the boundaries of the law. It is the political echelon, and not the court…that must give content and meaning to the historical call: ‘The Temple Mount is ours’.” In other words, this must be a political, not legal, action. Those who understand Daniel’s prophecy of the seventieth week (Daniel 9:27) know that it is a future political leader, the Antichrist of Revelation 13, who will one day make a deceptive covenant with the Jewish leaders, leading to the rebuilding of the Third Temple.

How might this happen? One possibility was found in an academic book on the politics of the Temple Mount: “Given the emphasis upon the international community’s interest in the sites, under the concept of heritage of humankind, representatives from the international community need to be included as mediators and guarantors. These would likely come from the United Nations (UNESCO) and drawn from regional powers such as the Arab League, NATO, or interested states such as the U.S., the E.U., and Russia…Any proposed legal regime will require interfaith cooperation composed of religious leaders from the region. It may be supplemented by international religious leaders who may serve as mediators.”1 Those who seek to understand biblical prophecy know that the Antichrist will be followed by both political and religious leaders, making this kind of proposal a reality.

It is exciting to see these developments unfold in the Land of Israel regarding the building of a Third Temple as we eagerly watch for the second coming of our Messiah!


So whether you believe it is literal or spiritual is of no concern to those in Jerusalem who are determined to rebuild it.
 

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But isn't it weird that the people of Israel are gathering all the material needed to rebuild that temple?

Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice Ministries International

here is a portion of what is in this article.....

Are we any closer to the rebuilding of the Temple today? The world is radically opposed to Israel’s claims in Jerusalem, much less their contested ownership of the Temple Mount. On a practical level, Jews are banned by Israeli law from praying at the site, and those who visit are daily accosted by Muslims, such as the Women in Black, who maintain a constant vigil on Jewish presence at the site. In addition, the Islamic authorities officially deny that a Temple ever existed at the site. Nevertheless, recent developments have contributed to the Temple Movement’s goals and the realization of the rebuilding of the Temple in our lifetime.

Answering the charge of denial a Jewish Temple ever existed on the site, archaeologists discovered in decades-old research that the site of the Al-Aqsa mosque, which Muslims believe was built by Abraham, was once a place for Jewish ritual preparation for entering the Temple. The evidence for this came from a report filed by British archaeologist Robert Hamilton who had documented excavations of the mosque’s foundations after it was destroyed in an earthquake in 1927. He discovered beneath the floor of the mosque the remains of a Jewish miqveh (ritual pool used for purification). It dated to the time of the Second Temple when Jews immersed at this site before entering the Temple precincts. These findings, hidden deep in the British Mandatory archives department because they embarrassed Muslim officials, now provide evidence that the ancient Temple stood on the modern Temple Mount and was a place of Jewish presence.

Concerning the preparations for the Temple service, the Sanhedrin has taken steps necessary for reinstating future Temple service. One project of the group has been the planting of the Biblical Temple forest which will serve the agricultural needs of the Third Temple. Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, explained that the Temple provided a link between the land and the Divine: “When people think about sacrifices, they think about animals and blood, but most were from plants grown around Israel.”

Rabbi Richman, also a member of the Sanhedrin, has been heading a project to restore the sacred Red Heifer to Israel. According to Numbers 19, the ashes of the Red Heifer mixed with water are a necessary element for purifying Jews to enable them to do service in the Temple. During the time of the First and Second Temples, a span of approximately 1,000 years, only nine Red Heifers were used in preparing the waters used to purify Jews. According to Jewish tradition, the tenth one will be used by the Messiah. Richman and other rabbis of the Temple Institute are providing halachic supervision and guidance in partnership with an Israeli cattleman who is an expert in the science of animal husbandry. He is utilizing the technique of implanting the frozen embryos of the Red Angus cattle, which originally come from North America, into Israeli domestic cattle. A red heifer cannot be transported to Israel for use in the Red Heifer ceremony, because the animal cannot have ever worn a yoke and must be born in the Land of Israel. The project is the culmination of years of research at the Temple Institute that fuses ancient religious texts and modern science.

The Sanhedrin and the Temple Movement also hold reenactments of Temple ceremonies for the training of those who are from the priestly class known as Kohanim. This training involves special schooling on the duties of the priests, the use of ritual vessels created for use in the Third Temple, and practice on a newly constructed altar of burnt offering. This altar is unique because it was designed to be disassembled and quickly reassembled in its proper permanent location, because the people of Israel are required to build an altar exclusively on the site of the original altar on Mount Moriah, the Temple Mount. When the time is right, it will be re-assembled on the Mount in the Temple, enabling the sacrificial service to be resumed without delay.



"For Orthodox Jews committed to reestablishing the Temple, both the
present problems of the world and the problems faced by the Jewish people
will be solved only by rebuilding."
Another recent rediscovery of the Temple Institute has been the revival of the science of producing biblical crimson. This dye was used in the garments of the High Priest, the parochet (the massive curtain that separated the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place in the Temple), and was an ingredient used in the mixture combined with ashes of the Red Heifer. Professor Zohar Amar of Bar Ilan University discovered that the eggs of the tola’at shani (crimson worm) found in modern Israel would produce the crimson dye.

While the Temple Movement continues to prepare for the rebuilding of the Temple, most understand that some political action must take place to reverse the present situation of control of the Mount by Muslims, in order to allow for Jewish access. This currently may be in process. Concerning the site, Israel’s Supreme Court has stated in its ruling Opinion on the Issue of the Works on the Temple Mount, “The reality on the Temple Mount…is by no means simple. It is extremely delicate and complicated…This is one of those cases in which a judicial ruling is not the reasonable way to decide the dispute, and a decision of this kind goes beyond the boundaries of the law. It is the political echelon, and not the court…that must give content and meaning to the historical call: ‘The Temple Mount is ours’.” In other words, this must be a political, not legal, action. Those who understand Daniel’s prophecy of the seventieth week (Daniel 9:27) know that it is a future political leader, the Antichrist of Revelation 13, who will one day make a deceptive covenant with the Jewish leaders, leading to the rebuilding of the Third Temple.

How might this happen? One possibility was found in an academic book on the politics of the Temple Mount: “Given the emphasis upon the international community’s interest in the sites, under the concept of heritage of humankind, representatives from the international community need to be included as mediators and guarantors. These would likely come from the United Nations (UNESCO) and drawn from regional powers such as the Arab League, NATO, or interested states such as the U.S., the E.U., and Russia…Any proposed legal regime will require interfaith cooperation composed of religious leaders from the region. It may be supplemented by international religious leaders who may serve as mediators.”1 Those who seek to understand biblical prophecy know that the Antichrist will be followed by both political and religious leaders, making this kind of proposal a reality.

It is exciting to see these developments unfold in the Land of Israel regarding the building of a Third Temple as we eagerly watch for the second coming of our Messiah!


So whether you believe it is literal or spiritual is of no concern to those in Jerusalem who are determined to rebuild it.
I have a question... what have the Jews done with their sin for the last 2k years?
 

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I have a question... what have the Jews done with their sin for the last 2k years?
I have no idea...but there are so many Jewish Faith's today that it would take a lot of studying to see who does what.
Orthodox, Messianic, Christian..that's all I can think of at the moment.
 

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I know this...it more than likely will be a computer chip...however they have invisible tattoos that show up under a certain light.
But I am leaning towards a chip implant since it is already being implemented in some countries.
forehead "everything they think"
right hand "everything they do"
perhaps
 
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forehead "everything they think"
right hand "everything they do"
perhaps
It could be....but the buying and selling indicates it has to be accessible for scanning and such or whatever system is in place at that time....just my opinion though....
 

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Well, yes, i may need to look further into this. As it stands now, 2 Thess 2 appeared to occur just before the 2nd coming. This is why I would think that the Temple may require rebuilding to fulfill prophecy. But, will need to further gather related scriptures to verify this position.
contemplate the second coming as being when one comes to a realization, and not Jesus literally Returning, maybe esp being as how that cannot be Quoted
Return to Me and I will return to you
x2 is all ya get
so then see all this divining possible tomorrows--and being as invariably as wrong as anyone who prophecies a certain date for destruction--is, well "divorced" is the best word comes to mind from what might happen today, Understand I AM, emphatic iow, even though it comes from the best of motives, surely.
Give no thought for the morrow
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Why do you and ViJ think we are in fear? I for one am not afraid.
well, i smelt plenty of fear back there is all i can say to that, guess i could dig up a quote but i doubt it would help...

"THAT is what we are to understand.

The UN has endorsed the concept of UBI and is calling ALL nations to conduct experiments with that concept.
WHY??
Ans. THEY PLAN to manifest it in the world for their purposes.

When the digitized credits start piling up in your bank account, you won't be tempted to use it??
After a WW3 in the Euphrates region, where 1/3 of men are SLAIN/killed off in ONE DAY, you don't think this present economic system won't collapse?
They KNOW that it will!
They are getting ready for it now!!"

etc
 

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To my brother Taken, that was a lot of Info to digest, some I have heard before. But one thing I would like to ask you. You said, “Another beast"...IMO, reflects previous WORLD controllers”.who are you referencing there?

PICJAG.
 

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Whatever your beliefs about the trinity or oneness is doesn't negate prophesy of the coming of Jesus and the appearance of the false messiah
when those are understood spiritually rather than literally it quite does i guess actually. You cannot Quote "Jesus shuvu" (returning) for a good reason, yet it is widely believed that Jesus Himself might Return and accept a literal crown that He has already twice denied.

Jesus is almost surely not literally returning to fulfill any Zionist fantasies, and Israel, Inc is pretty obv a wholly owned subsidiary of US right; the point being they share and disseminate these same beliefs?

Beware of those who envision a bleak and apocalyptic tomorrow imo.
 
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these are the good old days :)
if you arent having the time of your life then imo you are doing it wrong
its never too late to just walk out your front door ok
literally leave
you take everything else literally right
 

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It could be....but the buying and selling indicates it has to be accessible for scanning and such or whatever system is in place at that time....just my opinion though....
we already pretty much have that system in place already, via the dollar? gotta show a socsec card to get a legit job, etc? hiring "illegals" to do work no one else wants is "illegal?" we all pay our taxes faithfully or risk incarceration in order to participate? we all contribute to eligible charities to get tax credit? Lets not kid ourselves imo we may as well be putting Esquire after our names lol