Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

[David in NJ]

Are you trying to make some sort of point??? If so, speak up.

On this subject, if you desire the Truth, then you need to 'listen UP'

 

[covenantee]

Are you trying to make some sort of point??? If so, speak up.

Certainly.

Your Jesus' double return is not the true truth.

It rejects 18 centuries of recognized Christian orthodox true truth.

 

[CrowCross]

On this subject, if you desire the Truth, then you need to 'listen UP'

You do know if you don't present your point...no one can listen up.

 

[CrowCross]

Certainly.

Your Jesus' double return is not the true truth.

It rejects 18 centuries of recognized Christian orthodox true truth.

Your Christian orthodox has gotten it wrong. A belief in a double return is older than 1800 years.

here is an example...
The Shepherd of Hermas speaks of the

Pretribulational concept of escaping the tribulation.

You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and
because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and
tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a
type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves,
and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for
you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of
the days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly.

There are more as seen throughout the ages...You can visit this site and read them.

CONCLUSION from the article presented in the link above.

I have heard from another scholar who is reading through many Latin manuscripts
of previously unpublished documents that he has found a number of previously
unknown pre-trib rapture statements from pre-nineteenth century Christendom. He is
planning on publishing his material in a few years. What these pre-Darby rapture
statements prove, if nothing else, is that indeed others did see the rapture taught in
Scripture similar to the way that pretribulationists in our own day teach. Thus, the
argument that no one ever taught pretribulationism until J. N. Darby in 1830 is just not
historically true

 

[David in NJ]

You do know if you don't present your point...no one can listen up.

In His Gospel, JESUS told us why HE did not Ascend on a white horse.

In His Gospel, JESUS told us why HE Descends on a white horse.

 

[covenantee]

Your Christian orthodox has gotten it wrong. A belief in a double return is older than 1800 years.

here is an example...
The Shepherd of Hermas speaks of the

Pretribulational concept of escaping the tribulation.

You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and
because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and
tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a
type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves,
and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for
you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of
the days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly.

There's no second second coming. There's not even a first second coming.

Shepherd of Hermas
Vision 2
2[6]:7 Ye therefore that work righteousness be steadfast, and be not double-minded, that ye may have admission with the holy angels. Blessed are ye, as many as endure patiently the great tribulation that cometh, and as many as shall not deny their life.