Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

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ewq1938

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The mortally wounded by healed head is referring to a man.


Yet Rev 17 says the heads are mountains not men. Rev 13 also does not present a wound that caused a death but a wound that could have led to death but healed before death took place.



Revelation 13:

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


No death mentioned because none took place.
 

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Yet Rev 17 says the heads are mountains not men. Rev 13 also does not present a wound that caused a death but a wound that could have led to death but healed before death took place.
Revelation 17 says mountains and kings.

No death mentioned because none took place.

God has the revealed man of sin assassinated for his audacious act of sitting in the temple, claiming to be God in Ezekiel 28:1-10.
 

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Revelation 17 says mountains and kings.

It does in some manuscripts but it is not that way in others like the ones the KJV is based upon.

6 of the 8 kings would be gone in history by the time the ten horned beast rises in the end times yet it has all 7 heads not only 1 head and never does it have an 8th head. There is no way the 7 heads are also the 8 consecutive kings so we know one set of manuscripts are false.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

This is the correct scriptures and wording. Two separate things are being discussed.
 

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It does in some manuscripts but it is not that way in others like the ones the KJV is based upon.

6 of the 8 kings would be gone in history by the time the ten horned beast rises in the end times yet it has all 7 heads not only 1 head and never does it have an 8th head. There is no way the 7 heads are also the 8 consecutive kings so we know one set of manuscripts are false.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

This is the correct scriptures and wording. Two separate things are being discussed.
Yes, two separate things in verses 9 and 10, connected by associated with Rome.

The seven sequential kings are 7 kings of the Roman Empire. In the end times when king 7 arrives, the Roman Empire has manifested itself as the EU. The little horn person will be over a panel of ten other EU leaders.

See my thread on Daniel 9:27 the confirmation of the covenant.




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Yes, two separate things in verses 9 and 10, connected by associated with Rome.


How can the beast have all 7 mountains when the first 6 consecutive kings never appear at the same time? If you are correct, the ten horned beast could only have a total of two heads not all 7.
 

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How can the beast have all 7 mountains when the first 6 consecutive kings never appear at the same time? If you are correct, the ten horned beast could only have a total of two heads not all 7.
It is the woman who sits on the seven mountains.

The 7 kings are sequential. And have a common trait - in that they are of the same bloodline. i.e. the Julio-Claudians.

6 of the 7 kings are historic relative to us. The 7th king is yet to come. He will be the little horn person of Daniel 7-8.

You are not clear by saying "ten horns beast" instead of the ten horns. The ten horns are concurrent with each other, i.e. in power at the same time. They will be ten EU leaders, who ultimately will rule with the beast-king.... as they hand their EU kingdom over to him in Revelation 17:17.

The person goes through 5 stages on the path to his demise.

1. as the little horn
2. as the prince who shall come
3. as the Antichrist
4. as the revealed man of sin (who God has assassinated)
5. as the beast-king (mortally wounded but comes back to life)



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But the 7 mountains are not sequential. How can they be the same things when they contradict like that?
I agree the 7 mountains are not sequential. They are the location of the woman turned harlot sits.

The 7 kings are not the 7 mountains.

The 7 heads represent:

1. 7 mountains where the woman site - i.e. a location.
2. 7 kings associated with that location.
 

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Adonikam in the bible led 666 of his descendants back to Israel out of the Babylonian captivity.

The name Adonikam means "my lord has risen".

So given that the beast king will be killed and comes back to life - i.e. risen, then...

the beast king may be named Akonikam, as he projects himself as everyone's lord.

Which in that case, the 666 could be promoted as a positive number as pertaining to the beast - Adonikam, "my (as his followers will consider him as their lord) risen lord".

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Adonikam may not be his original name, but becomes a name the person will call himself after becoming the beast.
That is more superstition than biblical exegesis. To many assumptions and guesswork.
 

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Daniel 2 is only speaking of the nations and empires that will have dominion over the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon.
And yet Daniel 7 and 8 speak of those same empires with added detail that can only apply to much larger and more significantly powerful and influential entities, such as the little horn that grows from the 4th beast of Daniel 7, growing out of the head of pagan Rome along with 10 others, and the other different little horn that grows out of one of the areas of the divided Empire of Greece. I say different, but not entirely so, as the horn from the division of Greece changes it's nature at a certain point after its engagement with the Messiah, and progresses to attack the spiritual kingdom of heaven represented by the church. Thus the first little horn is a picture of the second horn after its change in purpose and direction...a union of church and state as indicated in Daniel 2, the iron of Rome continues until the second coming, except in a different form...a union of sorts with clay...a union which doesn't work because iron doesn't mix with clay. This union is that which existed during the dark ages between the church of Rome and the king's and queens and emperors of Europe. It did not last... It received a mortal wound in 1798 when the Pope was taken captive and the political power of the Papacy was broken. While remaining a church, we today witness a great global resurgence in papal political influence and power... The resurrection of the head that was mortally wounded. This interpretation of scripture is the only one verified by history and prophecy.
 

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And yet Daniel 7 and 8 speak of those same empires with added detail that can only apply to much larger and more significantly powerful and influential entities, such as the little horn that grows from the 4th beast of Daniel 7, growing out of the head of pagan Rome along with 10 others, and the other different little horn that grows out of one of the areas of the divided Empire of Greece. I say different, but not entirely so, as the horn from the division of Greece changes it's nature at a certain point after its engagement with the Messiah, and progresses to attack the spiritual kingdom of heaven represented by the church. Thus the first little horn is a picture of the second horn after its change in purpose and direction...a union of church and state as indicated in Daniel 2, the iron of Rome continues until the second coming, except in a different form...a union of sorts with clay...a union which doesn't work because iron doesn't mix with clay. This union is that which existed during the dark ages between the church of Rome and the king's and queens and emperors of Europe. It did not last... It received a mortal wound in 1798 when the Pope was taken captive and the political power of the Papacy was broken. While remaining a church, we today witness a great global resurgence in papal political influence and power... The resurrection of the head that was mortally wounded. This interpretation of scripture is the only one verified by history and prophecy.

And yet I cannot find historical facts that dovetail into the Biblical Prophetic words contained within the scriptures. All that I am hearing is just simple conjecture without much biblical support.
 

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The following article, in 2 parts, dwell principally upon the seventh and eighth chapters of the book of Daniel, with a particular focus on identifying the commonly termed "little horn".

A principle of understanding prophecy, particularly those of Daniel's is that later prophecies are repeats of earlier ones, but magnified and inclusive of much more detail. With that in mind, we shall begin in chapter 2 with the vision King Nebuchadnezzar had of the great statue, and Daniel's inspired interpretation of it.

Daniel 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

"In the latter days" is an idiomatic phrase meaning 'in the future'. It is used in different contexts in Deut. 4:30, Gen.49:1, Num.24:14, Isa.2:2, Hos. 3:5, Ezek. 38:16. Most modern versions therefore translate the phrase as "in time to come", or "in days to come", or in later days". From the historicist perspective, it can be concluded that the vision reaches from the time of Daniel and stretches far off into the future to the second advent of Christ symbolised by the stone kingdom when all previous kingdoms are destroyed and never again to be found .The image of Daniel 2 sets the foundation for every subsequent vision and prophecy from Daniel to Revelation. What God has set down as His word in Daniel 2 cannot be altered to suit one's false theories when it comes to studying Revelation. All subsequent prophecies are to be studied on the principle of 'repeat and enlarge'. That is, once Daniel 2 is understood, any further consideration of later visions must be based on Daniel 2, only with the addition of further detail. Daniel 2 sets the scene, forms the framework or skeleton, everything else must fit into what Daniel 2 has laid down as the bottom line.


That said, let us settle on what nearly all Bible scholars agree as to what Daniel 2 represents.Daniel 2:30-45. The head of gold is clearly identified as the kingdom of Babylon (626-539BC) in verse 38. From history we know that the other 3 kingdoms following Babylon were Media-Persia (539-331BC), Greece (331-168BC) , and Rome (168BC-476AD). Although the Roman empire ruled longer than the other 3 kingdoms put together, it was not succeeded by a fifth world power but was divided up into kingdoms of varying strength, symbolised by the feet of iron and clay, just as the prophecy predicted. These are the nations that make up modern Europe, nations that, to this day, exist as separate national political entities.

The Bible makes it plain that the stone represents Jesus Christ (Isa. 28:16; 1 Cor. 10:4; Luke 20:17,18.) Who at His second advent will destroy all the other kingdoms and establish an everlasting kingdom.


Daniel 7 and 8 compliment one another, and give added impetus and detail to Daniel 2. I will deal with both 7 and 8 together, in order to make it easier to see the parallels.

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings:....

Here is the first beast representing the first of 4 world empires, Babylon, as also revealed as the head of gold in Daniel 2. Another very sound principle when interpreting scripture, is to take all scripture language literally, unless there exists some good reason for supposing it to be figurative; and all that is figurative is to be interpreted by that which is literal. That the language here is symbolic is evident when considering verse 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
That the intention is to show kingdoms and not just individual kings is also evident by the appearance of beasts. Though Daniel declared to Nebuchadnezzar "thou art that head of gold" , we fully understand that Babylon did not end with the reign of that one particular king. The wings were not plucked during Nebuchadnezzar's reign, but during his grandson's reign. Nor were any of the subsequent kingdoms ruled by just one king, but a succession of kings, particularly Rome, which governed its vast territory longer than the other kingdoms combined. Much as modern nations do today, U.S. the eagle; Russia the bear; N.Z. the Kiwi; Aust. the wallaby.etc. Verses 38 and 39 reveal that the first kingdom is Babylon, which rose to power through war and conquest. When Daniel mentioned in verse 2 the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea, this is symbolic language representing war and strife among nations. (Rev.17:15; Isaiah 17:12,13; Jer. 51:1; Jer. 25:32,33.)

It is to be noted that all the beasts are predatory, in keeping with the above symbolism. Thus each one preyed upon other beasts. And the wings it can be assumed represent speed. (Deut. 28:49; Jer. 4:13; Habakkuk 1:6-9).The wings were plucked from the lion, thus no longer was it the threat it formerly offered to her enemies. A man's heart was given to it. Babylon in later years had become timorous, effeminate, and a pleasure seeking society without discipline.

Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Daniel 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

Continuing...
 

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Continued from above...

Daniel 8:20 identifies the ram as being Meda-Persia, thus the ram and the bear represent the same power. The bear raised itself up on one side - indicating the more prominent role of the Medes at the beginning of their rise to power, the individual kings being Ahasuerus and his son, Darius.This is also represented by the two horns, with one coming up higher last.Just as silver is inferior to gold, and the bear inferior to the lion, so was Medo-Persia inferior to Babylon in regards to wealth and brilliance of career. However, the area of conquest was greater than Babylon.The ribs in the bear's mouth represent the 3 provinces of Babylon that the Medes and Persians conquered: Lydia, Egypt, and Babylon. The ram pushed west, north, and south, precisely where the 3 above provinces were.Cyrus was the Persian king that rose to prominence represented by the horn that rose up higher. It was Cyrus spoken of and named 150 years previously by Isaiah as the leader that would overthrow Babylon. (There are many parallels with Revelation and the drying up of the Euphrates thus cutting off Babylon's support in the last days, just as Cyrus did to the literal city. This is spiritual Babylon, and the Euphrates is also figurative for the means of support that the people of the earth withhold (Rev.18) when made aware of her corruption.Rev. 16:12 . Cyrus came from the east to conquer Babylon, so also will Christ come from the east as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.)

Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

The leopard represents Greece, and Alexander the Great is the first king, the 'notable' horn between the goat's eyes.As Babylon was noted for her speed of conquest, so Alexander even more so, hence the 4 wings. At the height of his power Alexander died, some say of alcohol poisoning, at the young age of about 30. The Grecian kingdom was then ruled briefly by Alexander's brother and his 2 infant sons, but they were all soon murdered and after 22 years of warring and infighting among a number of generals who had all dispersed to various parts of the empire and assumed authority and declared themselves kings, the number was reduced to just 4, as depicted by the 4 heads of the leopard and the four horns of the goat. The generals were Cassander, Seleucus, Ptolemy, and Lysimachus.It will be noted that as the ram (Meda-Persia) in Daniel 8:4 is shown to have become great, so the goat (Greece) in Daniel 8:8 'waxed very great'. In area conquered this was very true; Greece had overcome vastly more area than had the previous empire, however, just as the leopard is inferior to the bear, and bronze is inferior to silver, so the character of the empire was inferior to Meda-Persia. Paganism was developing among these empires and growing as they grew. Each empire also inherited certain traits, traditions, and practices from it's predecessors. Thus each kingdom grew progressively worse morally and spiritually.

Before I deal with the horn of the goat, I'd like to briefly recap on something from the image of Daniel 2 and stress something that is very important.What we know of the image is that there are just 4 kingdoms or empires from the beginning of Babylon to the second coming. These four are destroyed by the rock of Christ at His coming.That means 2 things.
1. That in some form or another they are in existence today (all four!), and will be until Jesus comes.How do I know this? By the beast that rises from the sea in Revelation 13. (And remember beasts are kingdoms). In this beast there is a remnant of each of the 4 beasts we see here in Daniel. And it is that particular beast that is destroyed and thrown into the lake of fire. This can be easily explained by the fact that the pagan belief system of Babylon was inherited by all the following powers, was developed further and will be perfected into a Christian counterfeit at the end that will deceive most of the world. But more on that later.
2. The iron begins from the victory over the Greeks, and continues unbroken (albeit in another form) right to the end. In other words, there is no gap in history- no "revived" Roman empire that is yet to come. Rome is still with us today, there has never been any full or conclusive end to the Roman empire as yet.

To continue with the goat of Daniel 8. We have discovered that the goat represented Greece, that the great horn was it's first king, Alexander, and that when he died , after some conflict and debate, 4 kings ruled in his stead.

8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

There are however a total of six horns that grow out of the he-goat , and it is to the 6th that we will now focus our attention.This 'little horn' was to exceed the greatness of all the preceding horns. Media/Persia "became great" (Daniel 8:4); The he-goat itself was to wax "very great", (Daniel 8:8), but this little horn was to grow and become "exceeding great".( Daniel 8:9).

"Out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land."
can only refer to the empire of Rome, and thus is the Daniel 8 parallel to not just the 4th beast of Daniel 7...
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

... but also the iron legs of the statue of Daniel 2. See how each prophecy repeats and enlarges upon the preceding prophecy?

The terrible beast represents the Roman empire (168 B. C. - 476 A. D.). This empire came to be known as the “iron monarchy of Rome” (Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 4, p. 161). The ten horns represent the ten kingdoms into which the Roman Empire was divided when it fell apart. 3 were destroyed, the remaining 7 went on to form the basis for the modern nations of Europe.


Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.


Remember, that the little horn in Daniel 8:9 is different from the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The one in Daniel 8:9 represents the empire of pagan Rome. It is the parallel symbol of the dragon beast with the ten horns and iron teeth that rises from the sea. However, in Daniel 8:10 can be seen a change in the practice of the little horn from being one that "waxed exceeding great" on a horizontal plane to one that then "waxed great" on a vertical plane. Rome at first operated as a secular pagan entity. It 'waxed exceeding great' in its land-based conquests, greater than any that had gone before militarily, but as iron is stronger than gold, yet its value is far less, signifying the greatness of Rome's military, but the weakness of its moral and ethical standard. But we do see here a change in her nature to a religious entity in that she began to attack the things of God and spiritual truths that pertain to heaven.

The little horn of Daniel 7:8, which grows out of the Roman empire among the former ten horns and uproots 3 of them, is also an entity which has aspirations of a more heavenly nature.
 

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Further to the above...

Daniel 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


We see here that the duration of this little horn does not end until the judgment. What Daniel witnessed in vision here was the time of judgement; and in verse 11 that Daniel's attention was diverted from that scene of judgement, because of the words being spoken by the little horn! Pompous words indeed! So it endures right up to the second coming, therefore is with us today. There are also much more written on this little horn. There is in fact more detail given concerning this horn than on any of the other beasts together. Thus it is abundantly clear that in His love and mercy God desires that we know who and what this entity is for it is clearly a threat to our spiritual welfare.

Daniel 7:15 ¶ I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Again we see that this horn endures until the second coming, but we also see more detail of it's character and practice. Daniel was greatly concerned and approached the accompanying angel to inquire regarding the vision, particularly the little horn. Here is the angel's reply.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
So here is a summary of the characteristics that pertain specifically to the little horn.

1. The little horn arises from the fourth beast (7:8). The fourth beast represents Rome, so the little horn must be a Roman power.

2. The little horn arises among the ten horns. The ten horns are the divisions of western Europe, so the little horn must arise in western Europe (7:8). Notice that these first two characteristics restrict the geographical location of the little horn to western Europe.

3.The little horn rises after the ten horns (7:24). According to historians, the ten horns were complete in the year 476 A. D., so this must mean that the little horn was to arise to power sometime after 476 A. D.

4. The little horn was to pluck up three of the first [ten] horns by the roots (7:8). This means that these three nations would be uprooted from history. Daniel 7:20-21 explains that three of the first horns would fall before, not in matter of time, but proximity to the little horn, and Daniel 7:24 tells us that the little horn would subdue three horns. In other words, three of the first ten nations would disappear from history at the instigation of the little horn.

5. The little horn was to speak great words against the Most High (7:21, 25). Revelation 13:5 explains what these words would be, namely, blasphemy. And, What is blasphemy according to the Bible? It is when a merely human power claims to be God on earth and when it thinks it can exercise the prerogatives and functions of God (see, John 10:30-33; Mark 2:7).

6. The little horn was to be a persecuting power. This is stated in Daniel 7:21 and repeated in verse 25.

7. The little horn would think it could change God’s “times”, that is to say, God’s timetable of prophetic events. (Daniel 2:21). We shall see that the little horn invented a false system of prophetic interpretation to rival historicism.

8. The little horn would even have the audacity to THINK that it could change God’s holy law. (7:25).

9. The little horn would be different than the ten horns. It would be an amalgamation of church and state (7:24)

10. This power would govern for a time, times and half a time (7:25). This comes out to 42 months or 1260 days (see, Revelation 13:5-6; 12:6, 13-15). In Bible prophecy, literal days are symbolic of years, so this power was to govern for 1260 years .

11. The little horn had eyes like a man. In Bible Prophecy, eyes are a symbol of wisdom (see, Ephesians 1:18; Revelation 5:6). Even today, an owl is a symbol of wisdom because of its large eyes. In other words, this power was to depend on human wisdom.


It is commonly and correctly asserted that the "man of sin" and "son of perdition" spoken of in the NT are names given for this same entity. We are admonished by Paul regarding this entity:

2 Thess. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In order to deceive the very elect and stand in Gods Temple ,he needs to rise out of the/a Church.

What is the temple in the NT? There are actually 3.
1. God's own sanctuary or temple in heaven.
2. The church corporate.
3. The individual Christian

The little horn cannot obviously get to heaven to stand there. Nor can he invade our own bodies. But he can invade the church. And if he is to deceive believers in the church, he must appear stealthily, acting as one of us. Professing truth, dressed in sheep's clothing but inwardly a ravening wolf.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
Here we see what was originally a true Christian. In the Greek the 'falling away' has connotations of divorce, apostasy. There is no falling away unless at first there was a right relationship. Therefore he doesn't actually come from without the church, but from within. John also hints at this when he says :

1 John 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 

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The only other time the 'son of perdition' is mentioned in scripture is in reference to Judas. Judas was one of the elect. He was one of the closest select disciples who was with Jesus every day. One of the inner circle, even the treasurer. So also is the antichrist. He is presumed to be Christian. One of the closest to the Lord. In looks, in profession, in outward appearance everything suggests that he is above reproach. Let us not be deceived into believing that he is an outright outspoken sword wielding gun-toting bigoted irreligious enemy of Christ. Then where would be the deception?
Nor should we presume that the little horn represents just one man. The other horns represented kingdoms and lines of successive kings. So also does this little horn. Prophecy if anything is consistent.

The word 'antichrist' does not mean openly against Christ as in open warfare. The Greek word 'anti' means in many instances 'in place of' or 'instead of'. So the apostate church establishes itself, or its leader, as a replacement of Christ in the minds and hearts of its followers.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
Re 13:1,4. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.... And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Satan can no longer ascend to the heights he lusted for in heaven in person as he has no further access to heaven, yet he can still, through a front-man or proxy, receive the worship and honor he feels he deserves and craves. Antichrist is his masterpiece. Because it is all about worship. Revelation 13 repeats the word worship and deceive many times. A form of worship whereby Christians are deceived and are worshiping Satan instead of Christ, through the apostate church, the 'antichrist', who is set up 'in place of Christ'.
"Lord, Lord, didn't we do many wonderful works in your name? Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you."
 

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And yet I cannot find historical facts that dovetail into the Biblical Prophetic words contained within the scriptures. All that I am hearing is just simple conjecture without much biblical support.
I know the above posts are lengthy. But I believe you are sincerely interested in project and truth, therefore I felt it my obligation to share my view in full. I would be disappointed if you didn't read it on account of its length. Happy to discuss any disagreements you might have regarding its historical veracity.
 

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I know the above posts are lengthy. But I believe you are sincerely interested in project and truth, therefore I felt it my obligation to share my view in full. I would be disappointed if you didn't read it on account of its length. Happy to discuss any disagreements you might have regarding its historical veracity.

Ah Brakelite, I have not changed my position from before I ploughed through what seems to be SDA Sunday School teaching which appears to have been cut and hobbled together to form your "opinion."

The posts above do not identify the entities of the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-3 who are actually the four winds of heaven and the Little Horn, all of which are fallen heavenly hosts.

The entities in the statue prophecy in Daniel 2 are kingdoms, people groups, nations and empires.

Now since you jumble the heavenly hosts with the human people of the statue prophecy, the understanding you have presented is a forced conclusion base on a wrong premise in both cases.

Have a good day
 
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The posts above do not identify the entities of the Beasts of Saniel 7:1-3 who are actually the four winds of heaven and the Little Horn, all of which are fallen heavenly hosts.


It does not say they are heavenly hosts. They are 4 kings/kingdoms of the Earth.


Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.


Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
 

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The only other time the 'son of perdition' is mentioned in scripture is in reference to Judas. Judas was one of the elect. He was one of the closest select disciples who was with Jesus every day. One of the inner circle, even the treasurer. So also is the antichrist. He is presumed to be Christian.
The person is not a Christian. He has to be a Jew, who in Isaiah 14:18-20, destroys his land and his people. He has to be a Jew for the Jews to believe that he is their long awaited messiah. He has to be a Jew to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant of Daniel 9:27 as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 for 7 years.