Who is the false prophet?

[Marty fox]

Does the bible teach us that the Beast out of the earth also known the false prophet is tied to apostate Israel?

I believe the bible teaches that the false prophet was a demon influencing Mostly apostate Israel in the first century. He is also the true definition of who John teaches the antichrist to be.

A false prophet would have to come through the faithful. There has only been one church which is made up of the faithful before and after the cross from the days of Adam until today. Since this false prophet comes through the people of the faithful it would rule out him being from any other religion (Islam, budism ect ect).

Israel represented the faithful during most of the biblical times and this was from were the true prophets came from. So this false prophet purpose was to divert the Jews or the faithful away from their true Messiah. The false prophet is the only beast in the bible who is described as a clean animal (a lamb)which would represent Israel.

The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire. We know that satan (who we know is a demon) will be cast into the lake of fire alive (rev 20:12)in the future.

The false prophet along with the beast out of the sea (who I believe is a demon influencing Rome and its leaders in the first century) and satan makeup the unholy trinity. I believe the unholy trinity's purpose was to turn the Jews away from Jesus thier Messiah and have the people kill and reject Him. What could of been a more important task for Satan to do?

A description of the false prophet

Revelation 13:11
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. He has 2 horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon he looks gentle but he is evil.

How did Jesus describe false prophets and who did He say false prophets are?

Jesus talking about the Pharisees and describes them in

Matthew 7:15
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Jesus above links the false prophet to the Pharisees

Rev 13:13-16
13 And he doth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

Mosses warned us about this in.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul

Mosses above also links false prophets to the Jews

The false prophet is of Satan and Jesus said this about the Jewish leadership in

John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Jesus above links the Pharisees to satan.

The false prophet gave power to the beast (Rome) when they had the people say "we have no king but Caesar". They received the symbolic mark on their forehead and hand by being devoted to Rome and doing its will.

John 19:50
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Who could be more evil than the Pharisees who's job it was to reveal the Messiah to the Jews but instead persuaded the Jews to reject and kill Him? They turned their people away from their true King Jesus and had the people call Cesar their king that is the true definition of a false prophet.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Not just a prophet who is false, as many are, but the climactic, ultimate, final example of all prophets ancient and modern who are fashioned from the same template of falseness, and of course demonic, occultic, and satanic.

Corruption, deception, exploitation in high definition full technicolour leading to a kingdom filled with darkness.

Rev 16:10-11 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, (11) And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Mosheli]

False Prophet is the "counterfeit" of "the Prophet (like Moses)" which Moses spoke of (and which Mohammed claimed to be), like the Antichrist is counterfeit Christ/Messiah.

He/it is not a lamb but a lamb-dragon, only looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon (Satan) (its/his true nature) (like wolf in sheeps clothing). The lamb is counterfit of the Lamb of God. (And/or maybe like USA pretending to be about peace/democracy/freedom but is war-like etc? Or maybe like the ram in Daniel?)

Earth beast comes from earth (below/earth/neolithic) (like Adam), Sea beast came from "sea" (or sky/heaven/space/stars/above or Atlantis).

2 beasts: EU & US?
2 horns: Twin towers? President & vice president?

The beast is not Rome, it is more likely Atlantis Rising/Nato or G7/G8 or EU (or Council of Europe) or Yalta. The harlot Babylon is more like Rome.
10 horns/kings: 10 kings of Atlantis? "10 nations formed Council of Europe in 1940s"? G7/G8 has 10 heads of states?
7/8 heads: G7/G8? Atlantis "8th continent"? 7 champions of Christendom?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Sea beast came from "sea"

Here we are given the interpretation of the sea which the first beast rises from:

Rev 17:15 And he said unto me, The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

 

[Davy]

The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire. We know that satan (who we know is a demon) will be cast into the lake of fire alive (rev 20:12)in the future.

That's a Biblical point many miss, no flesh born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment, which is clearly after Christ's future 2nd coming.

That means then... the false prophet of Revelation MUST be something other than a flesh born man. Likewise with the beast that also goes into the lake of fire on the day of Jesus' return per Rev.19.

Lord Jesus Himself was called a Prophet. And He definitely worked miracles, which Rev.16 tells us not only the dragon does, but the false prophet and beast also do.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Paul showed the "son of perdition" will sit in a physical temple in Jerusalem for the end, proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Jesus called Judas Iscariot a 'son of perdition' as Jesus also said Judas "is a devil" (John 6:70). I think that's a pretty good hint that the "son of perdition" is a direct pointer to the devil himself, Satan, as he and his angels only have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire.

 

[Marty fox]

That's a Biblical point many miss, no flesh born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment, which is clearly after Christ's future 2nd coming.

That means then... the false prophet of Revelation MUST be something other than a flesh born man. Likewise with the beast that also goes into the lake of fire on the day of Jesus' return per Rev.19.

Lord Jesus Himself was called a Prophet. And He definitely worked miracles, which Rev.16 tells us not only the dragon does, but the false prophet and beast also do.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Paul showed the "son of perdition" will sit in a physical temple in Jerusalem for the end, proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Jesus called Judas Iscariot a 'son of perdition' as Jesus also said Judas "is a devil" (John 6:70). I think that's a pretty good hint that the "son of perdition" is a direct pointer to the devil himself, Satan, as he and his angels only have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire.

What makes you think that it is a future literal temple?

If a future temple was built would it be Gods temple?

Do God need or require a temple or does Paul call the church the temple?

 

[Stumpmaster]

That means then... the false prophet of Revelation MUST be something other than a flesh born man. Likewise with the beast that also goes into the lake of fire on the day of Jesus' return per Rev.19.

. . . except that the false prophet is also known as the man of sin.

Sure, a certain demon on assignment does issue forth from his mouth.

Rev 16:13-14 I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; (14) for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

The casting of the false prophet into the Lake of Fire consumes his physical body, and any further Judgment upon him is unnecessary.

 

[Davy]

What makes you think that it is a future literal temple?

If a future temple was built would it be Gods temple?

Matthew 24:23-26; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1-8.

Do God need or require a temple or does Paul call the church the temple?

Don't misinterpret what the Scripture is revealing by defaulting to secular thinking. The devil does not want those in Christ to understand this matter, likewise with the orthodox Jews who definitely hate any idea that a false Messiah could sit in their future rebuilt temple.

When Apostle Paul called it "the temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2, the intent is about the traditional idea of a literal physical Jewish temple in Jerusalem. It's men's leaven doctrines that try to get away from that meaning.

How can it not mean a spiritual temple idea in 2 Thess.2? Easy.

The spiritual temple that Apostle Paul taught, of which those in Christ are to be lively stones in it, is built upon the Apostles, prophets, and Jesus Christ as its Cornerstone. But the temple the "son of perdition" will sit in and play God in Jerusalem shows a corrupting of that temple. So can Christ's True Spiritual Temple ever be corrupted by a false one? NO! Absolutely... NOT! That is impossible, for it would mean Christ Himself would be corrupted, which is impossible!

So really, those pushing the idea that Paul's "temple of God" in 2 Thess.2 is about Christ's Church is a trick idea from Satan's servants, and those in Christ who push that lie have been duped again, and even show they don't really know what the True Spiritual Temple in Christ actually is! No marvel at the dummies teaching such a falsehood, because Lord Jesus warned us in John 10 about the "hireling" that preaches for money, and will run when the wolf creeps in. Those are not really given to understand much of God's Word, so they easily fall into Satan's traps like that one about 2 Thess.2.

The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today have the materials ready to build another Jewish temple. They even have on display many of the temple artifacts that have been remade in prep for it.

 

[Davy]

. . . except that the false prophet is also known as the man of sin.

Sure, a certain demon on assignment does issue forth from his mouth.

Rev 16:13-14 I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; (14) for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

The "dragon" of Revelation 13:11 is... the "beast" of Revelation 16:13. He simply is called the "another beast" in Rev.13. Both of those labels are about Satan as the Antichrist.

The casting of the false prophet into the Lake of Fire consumes his physical body, and any further Judgment upon him is unnecessary.

Sorry, but you just left God's Word with that statement. NO flesh-born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire UNTIL God's Great White Throne Judgment, which certainly is AFTER Christ's 2nd coming. That means... the "false prophet" CANNOT be a flesh born man. Who's left then??

 

[dev553344]

Does the bible teach us that the Beast out of the earth also known the false prophet is tied to apostate Israel?

I believe the bible teaches that the false prophet was a demon influencing Mostly apostate Israel in the first century. He is also the true definition of who John teaches the antichrist to be.

A false prophet would have to come through the faithful. There has only been one church which is made up of the faithful before and after the cross from the days of Adam until today. Since this false prophet comes through the people of the faithful it would rule out him being from any other religion (Islam, budism ect ect).

Israel represented the faithful during most of the biblical times and this was from were the true prophets came from. So this false prophet purpose was to divert the Jews or the faithful away from their true Messiah. The false prophet is the only beast in the bible who is described as a clean animal (a lamb)which would represent Israel.

The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire. We know that satan (who we know is a demon) will be cast into the lake of fire alive (rev 20:12)in the future.

The false prophet along with the beast out of the sea (who I believe is a demon influencing Rome and its leaders in the first century) and satan makeup the unholy trinity. I believe the unholy trinity's purpose was to turn the Jews away from Jesus thier Messiah and have the people kill and reject Him. What could of been a more important task for Satan to do?

A description of the false prophet

Revelation 13:11
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. He has 2 horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon he looks gentle but he is evil.

How did Jesus describe false prophets and who did He say false prophets are?

Jesus talking about the Pharisees and describes them in

Matthew 7:15
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Jesus above links the false prophet to the Pharisees

Rev 13:13-16
13 And he doth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

Mosses warned us about this in.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul

Mosses above also links false prophets to the Jews

The false prophet is of Satan and Jesus said this about the Jewish leadership in

John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Jesus above links the Pharisees to satan.

The false prophet gave power to the beast (Rome) when they had the people say "we have no king but Caesar". They received the symbolic mark on their forehead and hand by being devoted to Rome and doing its will.

John 19:50
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Who could be more evil than the Pharisees who's job it was to reveal the Messiah to the Jews but instead persuaded the Jews to reject and kill Him? They turned their people away from their true King Jesus and had the people call Cesar their king that is the true definition of a false prophet.

The false prophet is someone that falsly prophesies. Like a palm reader or horiscope maker. So vague it appears true.

 

[Davy]

The false prophet is someone that falsly prophesies. Like a palm reader or horiscope maker. So vague it appears true.

Which is just describing the false prophet ROLE that Satan will also play.

Remember the waters as a flood that comes out the serpent's mouth after the symbolic woman for the end?

Rev 12:15
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
KJV

We are told in Revelation 12:9 that the label "that old serpent" is just another title for Satan, the dragon.

What's that "water as a flood" that comes out of his mouth?

Well, what comes out of one's mouth? WORDS! And in Satan's case, LIES!

Thus his ROLE of false prophet also.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Sorry, but you just left God's Word with that statement. NO flesh-born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire UNTIL God's Great White Throne Judgment, which certainly is AFTER Christ's 2nd coming. That means... the "false prophet" CANNOT be a flesh born man. Who's left then??

Refering to the Word of God, the "man of sin" is a flesh and blood person. It couldn't be clearer to me, but some are blinded to this truth.

2Th 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

[Davy]

Refering to the Word of God, the "man of sin" is a flesh and blood person. It couldn't be clearer to me, but some are blinded to this truth.

2Th 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

And it's clear to me per The Word of God that "man of sin" and "son of perdition" will be the devil himself coming to earth to play God. That sin of his claiming to be God, and over all that is even called God per Apostle Paul, cannot be pulled off by a flesh born man. And there is nothing written that there will be an immaculate birth to produce the coming false-Messiah. What is written is that after the war in Heaven with Archangel Michael, Satan with his angels are going to be kicked out of the heavenly dimension for the end of this world, which means they are coming HERE, ON EARTH, in plain sight (Revelation 12:7-17). And not that many brethren are prepared for it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

That sin of his claiming to be God, and over all that is even called God per Apostle Paul, cannot be pulled off by a flesh born man.

The Roman Emperors managed it.

 

[Davy]

The Roman Emperors managed it.

That shows you haven't really paid attention to Bible Scripture, because Lord Jesus revealed the coming pseudo-Christ will works great signs and wonders that if it were possible, would deceive even His very elect (Matthew 24:23-26).


Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ, or there'; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, he is in the desert'; go not forth: 'behold, he is in the secret chambers'; believe it not.
KJV


Even though the KJV "false Christs" is plural in the English of that verse in Matthew 24:24, the context of that section of 23-26 verses is in the singular tense, about a singular false Messiah. It parallels the false one in Revelation 13:11 forward that is to come working miracles and raining fire down from heaven to the earth in the sight of men, which is also about the "man of sin" Paul warned of that will work those same great signs and lying wonders.

What you have done, like most also have, is to miss the connection between those 3 prophecies about a specific false one that is to come to deceive the whole world. To date, no flesh born man has ever done that kind of miracle working to deceive.

Jesus describes on what level of power of deception that coming pseudo-Christ will work, per that Matthew 24:24 Scripture. The measure is just how powerful of a deception would it be to deceive even His very elect? The reason why He said, if it were possible about His very elect, is because it is NOT... possible for those to be deceived, because He already owns His very elect and will keep them through the coming tribulation. By that He showed how powerful that false one's miracle working on earth will be.

Then in the 2 Thess.2:4 example Paul gave about that coming false Christ, Paul showed that false one will exalt himself as God in a temple in Jerusalem, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. Many forget that last part about exalting himself above ALL concepts of God, and over all that is worshiped. That means over ALL RELIGIOUS faiths on earth, and even anything that is falsely worshiped. No flesh born man has ever pulled that feat off.

So trying to compare some Roman emperors, or popes, etc., to what the Scripture actually reveals about the coming false one and his working, is just man's mind joking around.

 

[Stumpmaster]

No flesh born man has ever pulled that feat off.

To your mind, but history is full of examples.

 

[Davy]

To your mind, but history is full of examples.

Who was the first one that sinned against God in coveting His Throne?

That's the sin Apostle Paul shows the "man of sin" doing in Jerusalem at the end of this world, as Jesus shows that also with the coming pseudo-Christ.