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Who is the Whore of babylon

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Andrew Kind, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Correction, that is what you think not what the Bible says.
     
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    gadar perets Well-Known Member

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    And what does the Bible say concerning Psalm 2:7? That YHWH is not Yeshua's Father??
     
  3. gadar perets

    gadar perets Well-Known Member

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    Where did I change the meaning of "first day of the week"? To me it means the day after the Sabbath.

    You show your ignorance here. YHWH was not displeased with His Sabbath, but with the Israelite's sins. Was He also displeased with worship services (vs.13) and prayer (vs.15)? I don't see you doing away with either of those.

    The ONLY reason Yeshua resurrected on a Sunday was because that is the day the wave sheaf offering fell on that year. Had it fallen on a Tuesday, the deceived churches would be keeping Tuesdays as their most important day.

    What does it mean to “break bread”? Does it mean to celebrate “the Eucharist” on Sunday? According to Acts 2:42-46, “breaking bread” was done daily. It simply means to have a meal. In Acts 20:7, the disciples finished Sabbath services on Saturday. After the sun set ending Sabbath and beginning the first day of the week, they had a meal together followed by Paul’s preaching until midnight Sunday (our Saturday night). The disciples held this special gathering because their beloved Paul was to leave the next morning (vs. 7). In the morning, he had planned to walk approx. 10 miles to Assos. Notice he would not take this strenuous, tiring trip on Sabbath, but waited instead until Sunday, another work day.

    Does this refer to collecting offerings during a Sunday service? No. If you check Acts 11:27-30 & Romans 15:25-28, you will see that there was a great famine that especially caused hardship for the brethren in Judea and Jerusalem. Paul requested offerings from the Galatian, Corinthian, Macedonian, and Achaian brethren. He told them to gather the goods (food, clothing, etc.) prior to his arrival. He did not want to have to wait for the offerings to be gathered when he came. He then took all the relief items to Jerusalem to disperse to the needy saints. There is nothing in these verses to indicate a typical Sunday collection. It was a one time special collection because of the famine. And it was done on Sunday because of the tremendous amount of work involved in loading all the goods, something they would never have done on Sabbath.

    "Let no one outside the Body of Messiah pass judgment". Those within the Body MUST pass judgment when sinners take over and try and change or abolish the Sabbath.

    Yes, that is the man-made tradition of a corrupt body of people once Paul departed. Those people were not apostles. The true apostles of Yeshua kept all Ten Commandments.

    Surely you jest. Sunday??

    The original account from which Hebrews 4:1-11 is taken is found in Numbers 14:22-24, 28-30, and Deuteronomy 1:30-40. In both passages it was the "land" (of Canaan) that was being withheld because of unbelief. The children of Israel were on their wilderness journey to the "promised land," which was a type of the "rest" to come. Joshua brought them into that land or the typical "rest" (Joshua 1:13-15; 21:44; 22:4), yet the Almighty again spoke through David concerning this greater rest. In Psalms 95:11, David uses the phrase "my rest" instead of "the land" as in the original promise. Why? Because "the land" was only a type of the future rest to come when true believers enter into the true promised land, the "heavenly country" that the patriarchs of old saw from afar (Hebrews 11:13-16).

    We are currently on our wilderness journey as well. We are heading for the heavenly country promised us. Just as the Israelites continued keeping the Sabbath rest throughout their wilderness journey, so, too, must we continue to keep the Sabbath rest. In fact, the Israelites continued to keep the Sabbath even after entering the typical promised land of Canaan. We, too, will continue in the Sabbath rest as prophesied by Isaiah (66:22,23) even after the new heaven and new earth come.

    The ONLY law that was changed was the one stating which tribe the high priest must come from. The Sabbath was NEVER changed except by ignorant sinners.

    John says NOTHING about any "heavenly Eucharistic liturgy" in that verse. He simply states what day it was when he had his vision. As long as you read into each text whatever you want, you will remain in your ignorance.

    Those verses have absolutely nothing to do with the authority to change the existing laws of YHWH.
    No "Mass" was ever celebrated in Scripture. That is an invention of the Catholic church.

    I totally agree with the church prior to Paul's departure. After that, I reject all their idolatry and changing of YHWH's laws.
     
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  4. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    YHVH has NO perfect English translation.
    It DOESN'T mean "Father" - so it CAN apply to ALL THREE Persons of the Trinity.

    The Triune Godhead was not revealed in the Old Covenant. He was revealed by Christ.

    As for the term "The Lord's Day" - EVERY major English translation of The Didache used this term in it's first line of Paragraph 14. This isn't by accident.
    There is a corroborating Pre-Nicene document from the 3rd century called the Didascalia Apostolorum (Teaching of the Twelve Apostles), which gleaned some of its information from The Didache and rendered that line as "The Lord's Day".

    YOUR turn, Einstein . . .
     
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    Jesus rose on Sunday, not Tuesday, and not Saturday.
    1 Cor. 10:16 – Paul asks the question, “the cup of blessing and the bread of which we partake, is it not an actual participation in Christ’s body and blood?” Is Paul really asking because He, the divinely inspired writer, does not understand? No, of course not. Paul’s questions are obviously rhetorical. This IS the actual body and blood. Further, the Greek word “koinonia” describes an actual, not symbolic participation in the body and blood.
    Paul is not talking about a mere meal. Of course they had a meal. That does not negate what Paul said about the cup and the bread, an actual participation in Christ’s body and blood.

    Paul didn't want to impose on any one person for his personal needs. That's why the collection.
    1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    Yet you insist you have not changed the meaning of "first day of the week."
    That's not what I said.
    Christianity did not die with the death of the last Apostle. "A corrupt body of people once Paul departed" is stupid comic book theology with no basis in scripture, history or common sense.
    This has nothing to do with the exegesis of Hebrews 4.
    Please inform Jesus that He is a heretic and an ignorant sinner for not rising on Saturday.
    Yes, that's what Paul said.
    Rev. 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,
    We could stack up reference manuals to the ceiling, the Lord's Day is Sunday. But you won't accept them because Protestants are evil too. :rolleyes:
    No one has changed the laws of YHWH, they have been fulfilled. The Catholic Church did not invent the Lord's Supper. Your being ridiculous.
    What evidence do you have of being the fulfilment of Judaism?
     
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    Thankyou for your reply here...personally, I couldn't be bothered answering such inane ignorant challenges.
     
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    What Christ didnt know HE was online can you show me where??? Why does HE upset you so much is not our salvation in Christ?? Alone.....
     
  8. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Once again – you keep equating Christ with your online cult at “aggressivechristianity.net”.
    They are not Christ – they are antichrist.

    That fact that YOU don’t know the difference speaks VOLUMES . . .
     
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    Still so offended, you just dont get it do you, the great ugly whore and her offspring, who is jealous with a great jealousy of our Lords bride, so jealous that she is trying to keep her hidden so that tour Lord may not find her, so Jelous that she has turned to murder lies and deceit to keep His children from Him, so Jealous that she even dressed herself up in the hope that she might get chosen, but our Lord know who is His bride, and HE will come for her, and when He does, all the religious, the Pharisees, the blind. the lawyers the hypocrits will all be left with a great wailing, weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Mat_11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

    Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
    Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    Ye BOL keep it going that grave is getting deeper.
     
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    Here are some Catholic abominations for you, mjr:

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    mjrhealth, which of these would you burn down first???
     
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    Oh thats tops it, BOl; you have lost the plot...... Reached the end of your tether, such an angry man....

    Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    there are no other doors BOL
     
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    I noticed you didnt include the people murdered. tortured. forced to join at point of death, raping of children raped, babies torn from there mothers wombs, all religions of this world do some good deed, so your is nothing special, and that proves what?? Just another religion.
     
  15. gadar perets

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    In Psalms 2:7, the Father is identified as YHWH and the Son is not. Since there are at least eight Scriptures that also declare there is only ONE YHWH, then the Father is that ONE YHWH whether you like it or not. I know the truth is hard to accept at first, but you need to put away the errors you have been taught an embrace it.

    It wasn't revealed in either Covenant. Deceived men twisted Scripture to come up with that doctrine.

    Even if you choose to accept the addition of the word "day" which is not found in the Greek text as "ημερα", you have yet to show that the Didache meant "Sunday" or that the "Lord" in that verse is Yeshua. It is bad enough to read him into the text, but to also read whatever English words you want into the text shows how careless you are in handling truth.
     
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    Why are you bringing up this subject again when we are discussing the first day of the week?


    Correct, I haven't changed it. This verse refers to Sunday. It does NOT refer to Paul's personal needs, but to the needs of believers starving in Judea. The work involved in loading all those supplies to ship there was forbidden on Sabbath, so they waited until the first of the week which was a COMMON WORKDAY.


    What does, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock" mean to you? That the flock will prosper and grow into the inglorious RCC?

    A typical response from someone who is finally faced with the truth.

    He rested on the Sabbath and rose on the next work day.

    It is irrelevant if the Lord's Day is Sunday. You would change thousands of years of the Sabbath truth because one verse says an apostle received a vision on a Sunday??? Get real.

    And you are shadow boxing. I never said the CC invented the Lord's Supper. I said they invent the MASS and that is a fact since it is nowhere found in Scripture.

    "Judaism"? Did I mention that somewhere? More shadow boxing. Stick to the discussion.
     
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    Read @BreadOfLife post's on this matter. He has done and EXCELLANT job of backing up our Christian faith/practices and beliefs in regard to this matter using scripture and historical Christian writings.

    Mary
     
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    1 Cor. 16:2 – Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. You say "the first day of the week follows Saturday (Sunday)" and deny it at the same time. You are not making any sense.

    Wrong, It's a quote from Malachi 1:11. The Lord's Day is Sunday, and was understood by everyone to mean Sunday, and understood by everyone to be Sunday then and continued to mean Sunday for 2000 years. You are being stubborn.

    Scripture repeatedly refers to "first day of the week" as Sunday. If they "loaded al those supplies" on Sunday to help others it's because they are not bound by your Jewish scruples.


    You and other cultists keep saying the "RCC" didn't exist at this time. Paul, John and Ignatius consistently wrote strongly against the Gnostics who were trying to infiltrate the community. To suggest that Paul is writing about Catholic bishops being "grievous wolves" has no scriptural or historical support and amounts to idiotic persecution. This is not the first time you have used scripture to demonize the early church. You cannot be reasoned with and that is why I am putting you on ignore.

    The Last Supper IS the first Mass, every Mass uses the Lord's words. You are too hostile to see it. No scholar has been able to find any evidence of Sabbatarianism in the second century so why don't you invent some.

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    What's the matter?? Didn't you know this about your cult??

    The truth hurts - doesn't it?
     
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    Did YOU include the child raping going on in YOUR cult that I exposed back in Post #590??
     
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