WHO WILL BE THE NEXT POPE? My personal private prediction (PPP)

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Pope Francis will die in our lifetime. He is already 82. I favor the next pope to have African or Oriental ancestry. Those are my opinions thus subject to error. Race has nothing to do with being a candidate.
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It may turn out that the most powerful voice for the Catholic Church today is an African Cardinal named Robert Sarah. A Native of Guinea and a survivor of the dictatorship of Sekou Toure, he is now the head of Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

Reading his latest book, The Day Is Now Far Spent, (Ignatius 2019), I was surprised by his powerful teaching. The reactionary movements in the United States Catholic Church praise him because he embraces traditional morality and demands good Catholic liturgy. It does not take long to see there is much they praise in some flag waving political movements that he finds quite troubling.

As an African, he looks at the United States and Europe not only as an outsider, but like he was on the Carpathia and able to see the Titanic sink below the cold Atlantic. Comparing the current Western Civilization to the final days of Rome, he sees little hope for its future. He resounds the same warning that Alexander Solzhenitsyn spoke at Harvard in 1976.

Unlike the vast majority of bishops in the United States. He sees that Western Catholicism not only lost its bearing but its courage and backbone when it exchanged the truth for a lie — spirituality for materialism. The result is without the prophetic life of the Church to counter them, nations in the west are succumbing to a fierce tyranny as serious as Nazism and Communism, he laments.

One who truly loves the gifts of all cultures, he has concerns about the United Nations and the European Union who try to build one culture and one world out of the many. They root themselves in European unity which he also decries. He calls it “the project that consists of trying to annihilate the history of the States on the altar of financial interests,” which he labels a dangerous utopia.

“The U.N. elites dream of a world government that will rule peoples, cultures and traditions that were formerly so different. It is a dream that borders on madness and is a sign of the contempt of the peoples for their riches.” He writes.

The African Cardinal not only denounces materialism and its pursuit of wealth, he considers capitalism not a solution to communism but the opposite side of the same coin.

This leads western societies to reject the true God so that we can create our own divinities in the name of corporate financial success.

The postmodern world is the kingdom of idols, sorcerers, and astrologers. These gods and their clergy are cruel. They do not care about life and joy. Behind the black curtains of a false humanism, they are at the service of financial capitalism.

Many outside the Church, who reject our morality, will disagree with his moral teaching, but they will be fascinated with his diagnosis. Cardinal Sarah, while embracing Catholic doctrine would tell the Christians pointing the condemning fingers at those who live lifestyles we reject to note the three fingers pointing back.

The current rise of changes from traditional morality are symptoms that the Catholic community severed itself from spirituality. He particularly laments and cites as cause the lack of a discipline fostering silence — a world without distractions — in Catholic lives today, especially among priests and bishops. This, he says, coupled with the proliferation of electronic devices, is what is destroying spirituality and society. The symptoms of it are the moral breakdown.

Cardinal Sarah, echoing Pope St. John Paul II, cites the disastrous decisions of the Western intervention into Iraq as well as Yemen, Syria and Libya and believes that this was done in support of Western financial interests at the expense of the peace in these societies. The wildest radical screaming “No Blood for Oil” does not seem to be as strong as Cardinal Sarah in condemning that military intrusion.

He warns that the Church’s call is to foster reason and purify it. This is a radical split from those who talk Christianity as a Bible based church that sees the United States as the New Israel and that bonks people over the head with Leviticus. No, the Church is here to purify reason. This is to build a just society where peace flourishes. He warns our failures in this role produce law that has no transcendent foundation which “turns into a totalitarian power.” Therefore, he explains, that the role of the Church is to “set up a barrier against totalitarian arbitrariness that emancipates itself from natural law.”

In other words, the true role of the Christian is to foster wisdom, love and justice for all in the society.

The solution, he teaches, is to return to traditional spirituality in all its splendor. He calls priests and bishops to foster silence in their lives and build parishes around Eucharistic adoration. This is silent prayer around the tabernacle containing the Eucharist — the Body and Blood of Christ.

Drawing heavily on the teachings of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, he calls clergy to reject materialism and prayerfully embrace the virtues. The cause of the sex abuse crisis was not homosexuality or the demands of celibacy, the Cardinal explains, but embracing consumerism and materialism when we must live the prophetic virtues of poverty, chastity and charity among others. Materialism and consumerism anesthetize the contemplative life, he teaches, and make one falsely believe he is powerful. Rejecting them leads one to see his existence in the truth by seeking the one who is the truth.

The consumer society is inebriating; it sets man against God. Like a man who staggers because he has drunk too much, Western man defies God and refuses to adore him. He believes that he himself is all powerful, whereas he has never been so frail.

He predicts that many in the Church in the west will suffer actual martyrdom and notes they are experiencing a daily martyrdom suffering the contempt of the world. Especially, he notes, Christian parents. “You must confront the contempt of the world when you choose to give life.”

The Cardinal insists on living the virtue of fortitude which he defines in St. Augustine’s terms of “love readily bearing all things for the sake of the loved object,” and it “is the virtue that helps us to confront bodily and spiritual dangers.” He goes further to remind people that “Jesus said that we are the salt of the Earth, not the sugar of the Earth.”

I do not see Cardinal Sarah calling for an angry activism that many equate with a politicized Christianity we see today. What I do see is the call to live disciplined spirituality that allows one to see the world from the outside and love those on the inside.

In the west, where bishops of the Church, Cardinal Sarah’s words are a powerful reminder of why Jesus founded His Church. We discover in the pages of The Day Is Now Far Spent, what Christ is saying to us through the current chastisement and where we must go from here.

The Prophetic African Voice in Catholicism

Pope Pius XIII?
 
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Hello brother,

I don't know if you're right about Cardinal Sarah,
But I'm sure we'll get the one we need ;)

Peace be with you!
 

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Unlike the vast majority of bishops in the United States. He sees that Western Catholicism not only lost its bearing but its courage and backbone when it exchanged the truth for a lie — spirituality for materialism. The result is without the prophetic life of the Church to counter them, nations in the west are succumbing to a fierce tyranny as serious as Nazism and Communism, he laments.
In that case, I would love to discuss Matthew 16 with him (the original spiritual departure of the church).
 

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This is why the Catholic Church is not a Christian church: they worship a physical object.

"He (Robert Sarah) calls priests and bishops to foster silence in their lives and build parishes around Eucharistic adoration. This is silent prayer around the tabernacle containing the Eucharist — the Body and Blood of Christ."
 

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This is why the Catholic Church is not a Christian church: they worship a physical object.

"He (Robert Sarah) calls priests and bishops to foster silence in their lives and build parishes around Eucharistic adoration. This is silent prayer around the tabernacle containing the Eucharist — the Body and Blood of Christ."
Like that old gospel hymn says "There's Power in the Blood". If you're happy with an intellectualized, emotion driven, sugar coated "power", good for you.

We don't worship a mere physical object. That insult stems from a materialistic viewpoint, a materialism that is bent on destroying civilization.
 
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Like that old gospel hymn says "There's Power in the Blood". If you're happy with an intellectualized, emotion driven, sugar coated "power", good for you.

We don't worship a mere physical object. That insult stems from a materialistic viewpoint, a materialism that is bent on destroying civilization.


But, your church does worship a physical object.
The "power" is by faith in the Lord Jesus; the faith that is 'the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'.
(2Corinthians 4:18) "...while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal."
 

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But, your church does worship a physical object.
The "power" is by faith in the Lord Jesus; the faith that is 'the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'.
(2Corinthians 4:18) "...while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal."
Yes, we worship a physical object, but not blind to It's substance, which your whole Tabletalk religion is based on, blindness to substance, "but the things which are not seen (substance) are eternal." Your own quote refutes your Docetic (Gnostic) argument.


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It may turn out that the most powerful voice for the Catholic Church today is an African Cardinal named Robert Sarah.
It won't matter to any non-Catholics, and probably not to too many Catholics either. There are also a huge number of Catholics who are opposed to Vatican II and its aftermath. They don't believe that the popes are valid after that.

“Certainly, the results [of Vatican II] seem cruelly opposed to the expectations of everyone, beginning with those of Pope John XXIII and then of Paul VI: expected was a new Catholic unity and instead we have been exposed to dissension which—to use the words of Paul VI—seems to have gone from self-criticism to self-destruction. Expected was a new enthusiasm, and many wound up discouraged and bored. Expected was a great step forward, and instead we find ourselves faced with a progressive process of decadence which has developed for the most part precisely under the sign of a calling back to the Council, and has therefore contributed to discrediting for many. The net result therefore seems negative. I am repeating here what I said ten years after the conclusion of the work: it is incontrovertible that this period has definitely been unfavorable for the Catholic Church.”

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger,
L’Osservatore Romano (English edition),
24 December 1984

The Post-Vatican II Experiment - The Results Are In - Roman Catholic Man

"Vatican II’s monumental heresy on the Church — a huge heresy which manifests itself every single day in the Vatican II sect — can be exposed in a much more direct and irrefutable way. These facts cut through and refute all attempts to salvage Vatican II or its teaching on the Church. The facts prove that all those who accept Vatican II (or obstinately profess communion with those who do) have placed themselves in bold opposition to dogmatic Catholic teaching and the revelation of Christ Himself."

Vatican II's Protestant Heresy - Catholic Church
 
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@epostle I find your post interesting, although somewhat ironic.I agree with much of what the cardinal is witnessing in western society, but find it ironic that he criticises the politicization of religion at the mirror of the decline of Rome, when the papacy was born and developed from the same circumstance.
His opposition to globalism is commendable, for which reason I cannot see him ever becoming pope, as that very position well eventually be at the helm of the globalist religion. Your own Jesuits are at the forefront of that movement...and they will not allow anyone opposed to their agenda to take center stage. Unless of course Sarah is in fact a politician and is lying through his teeth then anything could happen.
 
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Yes, we worship a physical object, but not blind to It's substance, which your whole Tabletalk religion is based on, blindness to substance, "but the things which are not seen (substance) are eternal." Your own quote refutes your Docetic (Gnostic) argument.


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I don't believe I'm 'blind to It's substance', as you say.

Its substance remains bread and wine.
 

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Pope Francis will die in our lifetime. He is already 82. I favor the next pope to have African or Oriental ancestry. Those are my opinions thus subject to error. Race has nothing to do with being a candidate.
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It may turn out that the most powerful voice for the Catholic Church today is an African Cardinal named Robert Sarah. A Native of Guinea and a survivor of the dictatorship of Sekou Toure, he is now the head of Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

Reading his latest book, The Day Is Now Far Spent, (Ignatius 2019), I was surprised by his powerful teaching. The reactionary movements in the United States Catholic Church praise him because he embraces traditional morality and demands good Catholic liturgy. It does not take long to see there is much they praise in some flag waving political movements that he finds quite troubling.

As an African, he looks at the United States and Europe not only as an outsider, but like he was on the Carpathia and able to see the Titanic sink below the cold Atlantic. Comparing the current Western Civilization to the final days of Rome, he sees little hope for its future. He resounds the same warning that Alexander Solzhenitsyn spoke at Harvard in 1976.

Unlike the vast majority of bishops in the United States. He sees that Western Catholicism not only lost its bearing but its courage and backbone when it exchanged the truth for a lie — spirituality for materialism. The result is without the prophetic life of the Church to counter them, nations in the west are succumbing to a fierce tyranny as serious as Nazism and Communism, he laments.

One who truly loves the gifts of all cultures, he has concerns about the United Nations and the European Union who try to build one culture and one world out of the many. They root themselves in European unity which he also decries. He calls it “the project that consists of trying to annihilate the history of the States on the altar of financial interests,” which he labels a dangerous utopia.

“The U.N. elites dream of a world government that will rule peoples, cultures and traditions that were formerly so different. It is a dream that borders on madness and is a sign of the contempt of the peoples for their riches.” He writes.

The African Cardinal not only denounces materialism and its pursuit of wealth, he considers capitalism not a solution to communism but the opposite side of the same coin.

This leads western societies to reject the true God so that we can create our own divinities in the name of corporate financial success.

The postmodern world is the kingdom of idols, sorcerers, and astrologers. These gods and their clergy are cruel. They do not care about life and joy. Behind the black curtains of a false humanism, they are at the service of financial capitalism.

Many outside the Church, who reject our morality, will disagree with his moral teaching, but they will be fascinated with his diagnosis. Cardinal Sarah, while embracing Catholic doctrine would tell the Christians pointing the condemning fingers at those who live lifestyles we reject to note the three fingers pointing back.

The current rise of changes from traditional morality are symptoms that the Catholic community severed itself from spirituality. He particularly laments and cites as cause the lack of a discipline fostering silence — a world without distractions — in Catholic lives today, especially among priests and bishops. This, he says, coupled with the proliferation of electronic devices, is what is destroying spirituality and society. The symptoms of it are the moral breakdown.

Cardinal Sarah, echoing Pope St. John Paul II, cites the disastrous decisions of the Western intervention into Iraq as well as Yemen, Syria and Libya and believes that this was done in support of Western financial interests at the expense of the peace in these societies. The wildest radical screaming “No Blood for Oil” does not seem to be as strong as Cardinal Sarah in condemning that military intrusion.

He warns that the Church’s call is to foster reason and purify it. This is a radical split from those who talk Christianity as a Bible based church that sees the United States as the New Israel and that bonks people over the head with Leviticus. No, the Church is here to purify reason. This is to build a just society where peace flourishes. He warns our failures in this role produce law that has no transcendent foundation which “turns into a totalitarian power.” Therefore, he explains, that the role of the Church is to “set up a barrier against totalitarian arbitrariness that emancipates itself from natural law.”

In other words, the true role of the Christian is to foster wisdom, love and justice for all in the society.

The solution, he teaches, is to return to traditional spirituality in all its splendor. He calls priests and bishops to foster silence in their lives and build parishes around Eucharistic adoration. This is silent prayer around the tabernacle containing the Eucharist — the Body and Blood of Christ.

Drawing heavily on the teachings of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, he calls clergy to reject materialism and prayerfully embrace the virtues. The cause of the sex abuse crisis was not homosexuality or the demands of celibacy, the Cardinal explains, but embracing consumerism and materialism when we must live the prophetic virtues of poverty, chastity and charity among others. Materialism and consumerism anesthetize the contemplative life, he teaches, and make one falsely believe he is powerful. Rejecting them leads one to see his existence in the truth by seeking the one who is the truth.

The consumer society is inebriating; it sets man against God. Like a man who staggers because he has drunk too much, Western man defies God and refuses to adore him. He believes that he himself is all powerful, whereas he has never been so frail.

He predicts that many in the Church in the west will suffer actual martyrdom and notes they are experiencing a daily martyrdom suffering the contempt of the world. Especially, he notes, Christian parents. “You must confront the contempt of the world when you choose to give life.”

The Cardinal insists on living the virtue of fortitude which he defines in St. Augustine’s terms of “love readily bearing all things for the sake of the loved object,” and it “is the virtue that helps us to confront bodily and spiritual dangers.” He goes further to remind people that “Jesus said that we are the salt of the Earth, not the sugar of the Earth.”

I do not see Cardinal Sarah calling for an angry activism that many equate with a politicized Christianity we see today. What I do see is the call to live disciplined spirituality that allows one to see the world from the outside and love those on the inside.

In the west, where bishops of the Church, Cardinal Sarah’s words are a powerful reminder of why Jesus founded His Church. We discover in the pages of The Day Is Now Far Spent, what Christ is saying to us through the current chastisement and where we must go from here.

The Prophetic African Voice in Catholicism

Pope Pius XIII?
Francis is so bad youre already looking to the next pope? Hes taking catholicism down a road it may not recover from. And once all the scandals are settled and all the state attorneys have jailed all the priests currently being investigated there might not be much of your church left. A new pope isn't gonna fix all thats wrong in your church.
 

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I don't believe I'm 'blind to It's substance', as you say.

Its substance remains bread and wine.
In order to understand why Catholics believe the Eucharist becomes the actual body and blood of Christ after it is consecrated at Mass, we must understand two philosophical ideas: substance and accident.

A substance is what something is: an accident is what a substance possesses. So, for example, an apple (a substance) has many accidents. It has a skin of a particular color, a certain weight, shape, taste, and so on. These accidents are what we perceive with our senses, but an apple is more than just a bundle of accidents. These accidents could change and the apple would remain an apple (that is, the apple could come in a different color or size). These ever-changing accidents are united within one unchanging substance that ceases to exist only when the apple ceases to exist (such as when it is eaten and digested).

When it comes to the Eucharist, the Church teaches that after consecration the substance of the bread and wine—what these objects are at their metaphysical core—changes and becomes the body and blood of Christ. But although the substance of the bread and wine changes, the accidents of the bread and wine—what we perceive of these substances—remain. This is why the eucharistic host still looks and tastes like bread and the precious blood still looks and tastes like wine. The bread and wine have not transformed, because the form or appearance of the bread and wine has not changed. Instead, it is the substance of the bread and wine that has changed, and so Catholics teach that during consecration the bread and wine have been transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ.

However, the sixteenth-century Protestant Reformers rejected transubstantiation, believing that it was unbiblical and nonsensical. Luther said, “It is an absurd and unheard-of juggling with words, to understand ‘bread’ to mean ‘the form, or accidents of bread,’ and ‘wine’ to mean ‘the form, or accidents of wine.’ Why do they not also understand all other things to mean their forms, or accidents?”

The answer to Luther’s question is that Jesus referred to bread as his body and the wine as his blood. Jesus did not say, “This bread contains my body” or “I am in this wine.” Jesus just said the bread and wine were his body and blood. But because we still perceive the bread and wine at Mass to be bread and wine, and because Jesus says this is not bread and wine but his flesh and blood, then the only logical conclusion is that although the accidents of the bread and wine that we perceive have remained, the substance, or what these things are, has changed into Christ’s body and blood.

Other critics of this doctrine object that the term transubstantiation is found neither in the Bible nor in the writings of the Church Fathers for the first thousand years of the Church’s history. But the reason the term was not used among the early Church Fathers was because there was no disagreement among them about the nature of the Eucharist. They unanimously agreed that the Eucharist represented in a physical and real way the body and blood of Christ .

Moreover, it was common in Church history for doctrines to be officially defined (and terms to be created for those definitions) only when heresy had to be combated. For example, the doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation of Christ were not defined until centuries after the time of the apostles because they were not seriously challenged until then. In order to respond to these trinitarian and Christological disputes, Catholic theologians developed extrabiblical language to help them explain doctrine and refute heretics. Terms like homoousios, which describes the one divine substance that belongs equally to each member of the Trinity, and hypostatic union, which describes the complete union of Christ’s divine and human natures, are examples of this.
What does the Catholic Church teach about the Eucharist?
 
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In order to understand why Catholics believe the Eucharist becomes the actual body and blood of Christ after it is consecrated at Mass, we must understand two philosophical ideas: substance and accident.

A substance is what something is: an accident is what a substance possesses. So, for example, an apple (a substance) has many accidents. It has a skin of a particular color, a certain weight, shape, taste, and so on. These accidents are what we perceive with our senses, but an apple is more than just a bundle of accidents. These accidents could change and the apple would remain an apple (that is, the apple could come in a different color or size). These ever-changing accidents are united within one unchanging substance that ceases to exist only when the apple ceases to exist (such as when it is eaten and digested).

When it comes to the Eucharist, the Church teaches that after consecration the substance of the bread and wine—what these objects are at their metaphysical core—changes and becomes the body and blood of Christ. But although the substance of the bread and wine changes, the accidents of the bread and wine—what we perceive of these substances—remain. This is why the eucharistic host still looks and tastes like bread and the precious blood still looks and tastes like wine. The bread and wine have not transformed, because the form or appearance of the bread and wine has not changed. Instead, it is the substance of the bread and wine that has changed, and so Catholics teach that during consecration the bread and wine have been transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ.

However, the sixteenth-century Protestant Reformers rejected transubstantiation, believing that it was unbiblical and nonsensical. Luther said, “It is an absurd and unheard-of juggling with words, to understand ‘bread’ to mean ‘the form, or accidents of bread,’ and ‘wine’ to mean ‘the form, or accidents of wine.’ Why do they not also understand all other things to mean their forms, or accidents?”

The answer to Luther’s question is that Jesus referred to bread as his body and the wine as his blood. Jesus did not say, “This bread contains my body” or “I am in this wine.” Jesus just said the bread and wine were his body and blood. But because we still perceive the bread and wine at Mass to be bread and wine, and because Jesus says this is not bread and wine but his flesh and blood, then the only logical conclusion is that although the accidents of the bread and wine that we perceive have remained, the substance, or what these things are, has changed into Christ’s body and blood.

Other critics of this doctrine object that the term transubstantiation is found neither in the Bible nor in the writings of the Church Fathers for the first thousand years of the Church’s history. But the reason the term was not used among the early Church Fathers was because there was no disagreement among them about the nature of the Eucharist. They unanimously agreed that the Eucharist represented in a physical and real way the body and blood of Christ .

Moreover, it was common in Church history for doctrines to be officially defined (and terms to be created for those definitions) only when heresy had to be combated. For example, the doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation of Christ were not defined until centuries after the time of the apostles because they were not seriously challenged until then. In order to respond to these trinitarian and Christological disputes, Catholic theologians developed extrabiblical language to help them explain doctrine and refute heretics. Terms like homoousios, which describes the one divine substance that belongs equally to each member of the Trinity, and hypostatic union, which describes the complete union of Christ’s divine and human natures, are examples of this.
What does the Catholic Church teach about the Eucharist?
All this to explain why not one thing happens before, during or after bread becomes god. Got it. I also noticed not single reference to the Bible. And lastly no, all ecfs were not unanimous in this belief. There were a number of different views on the nature of the Lord's Table. But since you're claiming they ALL are unanimous, please give us your exhaustive list of ecfs ALL believing this nonsense. Jesus indwells his believers, not food.
 

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It won't matter to any non-Catholics, and probably not to too many Catholics either. There are also a huge number of Catholics who are opposed to Vatican II and its aftermath. They don't believe that the popes are valid after that.

“Certainly, the results [of Vatican II] seem cruelly opposed to the expectations of everyone, beginning with those of Pope John XXIII and then of Paul VI: expected was a new Catholic unity and instead we have been exposed to dissension which—to use the words of Paul VI—seems to have gone from self-criticism to self-destruction. Expected was a new enthusiasm, and many wound up discouraged and bored. Expected was a great step forward, and instead we find ourselves faced with a progressive process of decadence which has developed for the most part precisely under the sign of a calling back to the Council, and has therefore contributed to discrediting for many. The net result therefore seems negative. I am repeating here what I said ten years after the conclusion of the work: it is incontrovertible that this period has definitely been unfavorable for the Catholic Church.”

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger,
L’Osservatore Romano (English edition),
24 December 1984

The Post-Vatican II Experiment - The Results Are In - Roman Catholic Man

"Vatican II’s monumental heresy on the Church — a huge heresy which manifests itself every single day in the Vatican II sect — can be exposed in a much more direct and irrefutable way. These facts cut through and refute all attempts to salvage Vatican II or its teaching on the Church. The facts prove that all those who accept Vatican II (or obstinately profess communion with those who do) have placed themselves in bold opposition to dogmatic Catholic teaching and the revelation of Christ Himself."

Vatican II's Protestant Heresy - Catholic Church
You are quoting what Pope Ben said 14/12/1984 when he was a Cardinal.