WHO WROTE THIS???

[epostle]

Nevertheless, besides the doctrinal differences needing to be resolved, Christians cannot underestimate the burden of long-standing misgivings inherited from the past, and of mutual misunderstandings and prejudices. Complacency, indifference and insufficient knowledge of one another often make this situation worse. Consequently, the commitment to ecumenism must be based upon the conversion of hearts and upon prayer, which will also lead to the necessary purification of past memories. With the grace of the Holy Spirit, the Lord's disciples, inspired by love, by the power of the truth and by a sincere desire for mutual forgiveness and reconciliation, are called to re-examine together their painful past and the hurt which that past regrettably continues to provoke even today. All together, they are invited by the ever fresh power of the Gospel to acknowledge with sincere and total objectivity the mistakes made and the contingent factors at work at the origins of their deplorable divisions. What is needed is a calm, clear-sighted and truthful vision of things, a vision enlivened by divine mercy and capable of freeing people's minds and of inspiring in everyone a renewed willingness, precisely with a view to proclaiming the Gospel to the men and women of every people and nation.

 

[Willie T]

I just cast the first vote for John Paul.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Sounds like from the Vatican.

 

[epostle]

Sounds like from the Vatican.

Does that suggest it is automatically suspect?

 

[Willie T]

Does that suggest it is automatically suspect?

I don't think it does.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Who wrote this?

1. Billy Graham
2. T.D. Jakes
3. Pat Robinson
4. Pope John Paul II
5. One-World-Religion conspirators
6. The Anti-Christ

___________________
The Antichrist? Would this be something the son of lawlessness published under his own name, or did he use an alias or something?

Since it was you who posted this thread, I would assume it was John Paul II, but then I could be mistaken.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Does that suggest it is automatically suspect?

I just saw some key words and phrases that sounded "Vatican."

 

[Enoch111]

Does that suggest it is automatically suspect?

One should think so, especially "commitment to ecumenism".

 

[Jay Ross]

After copying the OP, I then Googled to find the source and came up with the following link: -
www.madonnahouse.org/restoration/2011/01/the_challenge_of_ecumenism.html

Or the sixth paragraph in the introduction in the following link: - Ut unum sint

What is the actual point of the initiator's thread. Will it generate a worthwhile discussion?

I think it is more in line with point scoring.

 

[Enoch111]

What is the actual point of the initiator's thread. Will it generate a worthwhile discussion?

Have you ever heard of "diversionary tactics"? The Catholic Church is presently in a lot of hot water, but it does not want to deal with the issues honestly and effectively (probably never will). So harking back to another pope hopefully diverts attention from Pope Francis and his total failure to deal with his clergy or resign.

As to ecumenism (so-called unity among Christians) from the Catholic perspective, the Vatican has long hoped to fool all the other churches and denominations into coming under its umbrella. The CC believes that it is the church which is "necessary for salvation". But it is the apostate churches who work for the ecumenical movement.

Ideally, and according to the teaching of Christ, all Christians should be in unity and harmony. The sad fact is that the CC itself is responsible for the disharmony because it has been promoting false doctrines and false practices since its inception and claiming that they are true. Hence the Reformation and the denominations.

 

[epostle]

After copying the OP, I then Googled to find the source and came up with the following link: -
www.madonnahouse.org/restoration/2011/01/the_challenge_of_ecumenism.html

Or the sixth paragraph in the introduction in the following link: - Ut unum sint

What is the actual point of the initiator's thread. Will it generate a worthwhile discussion?

I think it is more in line with point scoring.

Good searching. I am hoping to generate discussion on the difference between true and false ecumenism. There are those who build bridges and those who build walls. Enoch is a good example of those who think that God favor's further separation and division from the historic Church. One cannot heal wounds to unity with constant scourging. The end result is more division, more separation, and more wall building. I don't mean division between Protestants and Catholics, I mean the division between Enoch and most of Protestantism. He think's he is railing against Catholicism but ultimately he is harming his own Body.

Have you ever heard of "diversionary tactics"? The Catholic Church is presently in a lot of hot water, but it does not want to deal with the issues honestly and effectively (probably never will). So harking back to another pope hopefully diverts attention from Pope Francis and his total failure to deal with his clergy or resign.

Just plain lies. The Church deals with issues honestly and effectively to the max, she is just not the dominating-dictator-mind reading-policeman you think she must be.

For the 100th time, you make remarks about false doctrines and false practices with no specifics. This is division. The bulk of Protestant theology comes from the CC, and if you were specific, you would be forced to divide, separate and build walls between yourself and the entire Protestant community. Your insane Catholic bashing ultimately makes you anti-Protestant.

 

[Enoch111]

Enoch is a good example of those who think that God favor's further separation and division from the historic Church.

Actually I am simply presenting the view of the MAJORITY of evangelical and fundamentalist Christians who are fully aware of what the Catholic Church is, and the dangers it poses to the souls of men.

For the 100th time, you make remarks about false doctrines and false practices with no specifics.

To list and discuss the specifics would take a book. However since Catholic priest-predators are currently in the limelight, let's focus on the bogus Roman Catholic priesthood.

There is absolutely no support for this man-made invention in the New Testament, which teaches the following truths about spiritual leadership within the local church:

1. ALL the saints are a Royal Priesthood, therefore there is no separation of clergy and laity. There are no seminary-trained *priests* in the NT (who generally go on to violate their vow of celibacy with sexual misconduct).

2. There is NO HIERARCHY in Scripture with priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and popes, etc. The elders provided spiritual oversight while the deacons were responsible for other matters within the church. And all were "brethren" with no clerical titles.

3. ALL the saints are given spiritual gifts, and within those the following gifts are given to some -- evangelists, pastors, and teachers -- which are to be used for helping all Christians fulfil their ministries.

3. The spiritual leadership within churches was granted to a plurality elders (no "one man ministry"), who must meet several qualifications, one of them being that they are to be married and have children, and prove themselves as elders through how well they handle that responsibility.

4. Forbidding others to marry is a doctrine of demons. But enforced celibacy is required to be a Catholic priest (with disastrous consequences).

5. Making the Lord's Supper an actual sacrifice of Christ with a priest involved is totally false. Indeed, it is an abomination.

6. Setting up confessionals where priests give absolution to others while they themselves practice sin is totally foreign to the Bible.

The Catholic church has violated all of these biblical principles to establish their clergy, and now it has been shown to be A TOTALLY EVIL SYSTEM, preying on children and innocents with no consequences.

So now are you prepared to study your Bible and show us why the CC rejected Bible truth in favor of such man-made ideas -- false doctrines and false practices -- as illustrated here?

 

[aspen]

I guess we need to tear down all of our schools and build log cabins so our children can get their eigth grade education - give or take, based on the harvest....better get chopping

No development is Godly development

Yee-haw!

 

[epostle]

Actually I am simply presenting the view of the MAJORITY of evangelical and fundamentalist Christians who are fully aware of what the Catholic Church is, and the dangers it poses to the souls of men.


To list and discuss the specifics would take a book. However since Catholic priest-predators are currently in the limelight, let's focus on the bogus Roman Catholic priesthood.

There is absolutely no support for this man-made invention in the New Testament, which teaches the following truths about spiritual leadership within the local church:

1. ALL the saints are a Royal Priesthood, therefore there is no separation of clergy and laity. There are no seminary-trained *priests* in the NT (who generally go on to violate their vow of celibacy with sexual misconduct).

2. There is NO HIERARCHY in Scripture with priests, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, and popes, etc. The elders provided spiritual oversight while the deacons were responsible for other matters within the church. And all were "brethren" with no clerical titles.

3. ALL the saints are given spiritual gifts, and within those the following gifts are given to some -- evangelists, pastors, and teachers -- which are to be used for helping all Christians fulfil their ministries.

3. The spiritual leadership within churches was granted to a plurality elders (no "one man ministry"), who must meet several qualifications, one of them being that they are to be married and have children, and prove themselves as elders through how well they handle that responsibility.

4. Forbidding others to marry is a doctrine of demons. But enforced celibacy is required to be a Catholic priest (with disastrous consequences).

5. Making the Lord's Supper an actual sacrifice of Christ with a priest involved is totally false. Indeed, it is an abomination.

6. Setting up confessionals where priests give absolution to others while they themselves practice sin is totally foreign to the Bible.

The Catholic church has violated all of these biblical principles to establish their clergy, and now it has been shown to be A TOTALLY EVIL SYSTEM, preying on children and innocents with no consequences.

So now are you prepared to study your Bible and show us why the CC rejected Bible truth in favor of such man-made ideas -- false doctrines and false practices -- as illustrated here?

Your writhing. Those are not doctrines and practices. They are standard meaningless rants invented by hateful liars. The truth of the OP must really frighten you. That's why all of your posts have jumped way off topic. BTW, the SDA promotes division, separation and wall building that inflicts wounds to the Body of Christ. That's all of us.

This thread is not about "Catholic" unity, it's about healing the wounds to unity. That does not mean false ecumenism, that's more fear mongering from the SDA.

Here's a tissue:​

you're frothing at the mouth
​

 

[Enoch111]

Your writhing. Those are not doctrines and practices. They are standard meaningless rants invented by hateful liars.

Those are doctrines and practices which are extremely damaging. And instead of throwing out epithets like "hateful liars" show us from Scripture whether any church should have a bogus priesthood like the RCC. Chapter and verse.

 

[epostle]

?

 

[ScottA]

Nevertheless, besides the doctrinal differences needing to be resolved, Christians cannot underestimate the burden of long-standing misgivings inherited from the past, and of mutual misunderstandings and prejudices. Complacency, ... and total objectivity the mistakes made and the contingent factors at work at the origins of their deplorable divisions. What is needed is a calm, clear-sighted and truthful vision of things, a vision enlivened by divine mercy and capable of freeing people's minds and of inspiring in everyone a renewed willingness, precisely with a view to proclaiming the Gospel to the men and women of every people and nation.

Hillary?

 

[Philip James]

Making the Lord's Supper an actual sacrifice of Christ with a priest involved is totally false. Indeed, it is an abomination.

where Jesus has entered on our behalf as forerunner, becoming high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

There is no abomination here...

When the hour had come Jesus Himself offered the sacrifice in the form of bread and wine and ordained His apostles to do likewise.. 'Do this in memory of me...'

Pax!

 

[Marymog]

Have you ever heard of "diversionary tactics"? The Catholic Church is presently in a lot of hot water, but it does not want to deal with the issues honestly and effectively (probably never will). So harking back to another pope hopefully diverts attention from Pope Francis and his total failure to deal with his clergy or resign.

As to ecumenism (so-called unity among Christians) from the Catholic perspective, the Vatican has long hoped to fool all the other churches and denominations into coming under its umbrella. The CC believes that it is the church which is "necessary for salvation". But it is the apostate churches who work for the ecumenical movement.

Ideally, and according to the teaching of Christ, all Christians should be in unity and harmony. The sad fact is that the CC itself is responsible for the disharmony because it has been promoting false doctrines and false practices since its inception and claiming that they are true. Hence the Reformation and the denominations.

The entire letter was about a Commitment to promoting unity among the world's Christian Churches. At least John Paul II was TRYING to do what you are failing to do.

Just sayin'

Mary