Whose government do you defend or speak good about?

[Buzzfruit]

Are you a blind loyalist?

Not everything the US decides to get involved in is a righteous cause. I can think of many instances where we have gotten involved in things only because it served our self interest. I can also think of situations that we didn't get involved in because we had no self interest there. We have a government that is fighting to get as many people as possible dependent upon THEM because they can then grow the government and exercise more control over the masses.

Just because a person speaks out about things they disagree with doesn't mean they appreciate this country any less than a blind loyalist. Nowhere are Believers instructed to check their brains at the door and follow along like Lemmings. The ONLY "blind allegiance" we are to have to is God.

And what exactly does "working for an American company" have to do with anything? In case you haven't noticed, American companies are either failing, becoming dependent on the government for handouts, or relocating to OTHER countries.

They forget or never knew that God's prophets were hated by many in Israel because they often spoke about their injustices and the worshiping of pagan gods. The unjust hates the person that expose their injustice.

 

[jiggyfly]

Are you a blind loyalist?

Not everything the US decides to get involved in is a righteous cause. I can think of many instances where we have gotten involved in things only because it served our self interest. I can also think of situations that we didn't get involved in because we had no self interest there. We have a government that is fighting to get as many people as possible dependent upon THEM because they can then grow the government and exercise more control over the masses.

Just because a person speaks out about things they disagree with doesn't mean they appreciate this country any less than a blind loyalist. Nowhere are Believers instructed to check their brains at the door and follow along like Lemmings. The ONLY "blind allegiance" we are to have to is God.

And what exactly does "working for an American company" have to do with anything? In case you haven't noticed, American companies are either failing, becoming dependent on the government for handouts, or relocating to OTHER countries.

Wow speak of an assuming nature, you get all that from my questions?

Like any carnal individual that seeks it own self interest, even at the expense of others it is the same with the U.S: its foreign policy is based on selfishness and greed. It is no different than another Countries. So don't let it's on the surface generosity fool you.....there are strings attached. A good place to get a little glimpse of what the U.S government is really like is to Google John Perkins. He wrote a book called, Confessions of an Economic Hit man. He worked for the government so what he is saying is like getting it straight from the horse’s mouth.



I am here because this is where God placed me. And obviously if I am living in the U.S I would be working for a U.S company. But acctually, I work for the State Hospital in New York City. But as I said, God placed me were I am.

Again the things you speak of are simply carnal behavior and the there's not a country in the world that is behaving any different.

They forget or never knew that God's prophets were hated by many in Israel because they often spoke about their injustices and the worshiping of pagan gods. The unjust hates the person that expose their injustice.

Do you think you are a prophet sent to the US by God? What did He send you to say?

 

[Buzzfruit]

Wow speak of an assuming nature, you get all that from my questions?



Again the things you speak of are simply carnal behavior and the there's not a country in the world that is behaving any different.

The U.S presents itself to the world as being an exeption.

Do you think you are a prophet sent to the US by God? What did He send you to say?

Do you know what a prophet is? Do you know what the Bible's definition is? A prophet is simply one that speaks under God's inspiration. A prophet is not only someone that predicts the future. So if God is speaking through an individual, he or she is a prophet. But when I speak I don’t think in my mind that I am a prophet of God and believe or say you better listen to what I say or else. I simply tell what I know.

 

[jiggyfly]

The U.S presents itself to the world as being an exeption.




Do you know what a prophet is? Do you know what the Bible's definition is? A prophet is simply one that speaks under God's inspiration. A prophet is not only someone that predicts the future. So if God is speaking through an individual, he or she is a prophet. But when I speak I don’t think in my mind that I am a prophet of God and believe or say you better listen to what I say or else. I simply tell what I know.

Well I don't quite agree with your definition of a prophet but that's OK, also glad to hear that you don't consider yourself to be a prophet.
So in light of your post is it safe to assume that god has you here in the US for your own benefit?

 

[Buzzfruit]

Well I don't quite agree with your definition of a prophet but that's OK, also glad to hear that you don't consider yourself to be a prophet.
So in light of your post is it safe to assume that god has you here in the US for your own benefit?

I did not say that I don't consider myself a prophet. But I say that is not what is in my mind. Here is the Bible's definition of the word prophet.

Genesis 20:7 (KJV)
[sup]7 [/sup]Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.


Prophet
Hebrew Strong's Number: 5030

Hebrew Word: ‏נָבִיא‎
Transliteration: nābîʾ
Root: from <H5012>
Cross Reference: TWOT - 1277a
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Prophesy (To)



from <H5012> (naba'); a prophet or (generical) inspired man :- prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.

— Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

 

[THE Gypsy]

Wow speak of an assuming nature, you get all that from my questions?

Nice tap-dance. Now...How about answering the questions?

 

[jiggyfly]

Nice tap-dance. Now...How about answering the questions?

No I am not a blind loyalist but I am patriotic veteran who understands and respects the costs of certain rights and freedoms that are enjoyed by many Americans, for example the right to post personal opinions on a public forum.

The U.S presents itself to the world as being an exeption.




Do you know what a prophet is? Do you know what the Bible's definition is? A prophet is simply one that speaks under God's inspiration. A prophet is not only someone that predicts the future. So if God is speaking through an individual, he or she is a prophet. But when I speak I don’t think in my mind that I am a prophet of God and believe or say you better listen to what I say or else. I simply tell what I know.

What country are you from Buzz?

 

[Buzzfruit]

No I am not a blind loyalist but I am patriotic veteran who understands and respects the costs of certain rights and freedoms that are enjoyed by many Americans, for example the right to post personal opinions on a public forum.



What country are you from Buzz?

I'll answer that later after you answer this question. What does where I was born have to do with anything? I am a citizen of Heaven first and foremost, so where my natural birth place is is of no importance.....I have no loyalty to any Country or government other than the kingdom of God.

 

[jiggyfly]

I'll answer that later after you answer this question. What does where I was born have to do with anything? I am a citizen of Heaven first and foremost, so where my natural birth place is is of no importance.....I have no loyalty to any Country or government other than the kingdom of God.

Well I was interested but to be honest, it really doesn't matter now.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Well I was interested but to be honest, it really doesn't matter now.

Ok.

 

[aspen]

Do you know what a prophet is? Do you know what the Bible's definition is? A prophet is simply one that speaks under God's inspiration. A prophet is not only someone that predicts the future. So if God is speaking through an individual, he or she is a prophet. But when I speak I don’t think in my mind that I am a prophet of God and believe or say you better listen to what I say or else. I simply tell what I know.

I totally agree

 

[veteran]

Yes, that can be said of many men, and it is simply carnal.

But then why do people justify it?

This is a general observation, and not personal, and goes not for all. But I find that there is a patriotic Christianity that is rampant in the USA. We put the flag in our church. Some go as far as considering the troops are doing God's works. We've got our own Jihad!

And then there's the part where USA sees itself as the great benefactor of the world, who feeds these poor people who need help. Really? USA is led by men, just like all other nations, and I do not doubt that other leaders of other nations would do the same in their position... But is that what we defend, the flesh?

That is such silly thinking, mainly because it denies the very works of Christ Jesus done through His people in the western Christian nations, which of course includes your own country of Canada, AND THE U.S.A. That's the same kind of un-Christian thinking that the hippie generation of my era had, and what did they wind up doing by their Socialist prodders? They started flying the NORTH VIETNAMESE FLAG on college campuses! That's the very same rhetoric you're using Prentis, while trying to disguise it like it's coming from Christ, when it is not. You've obviously been hanging around those on Socialist-Communism, and much of it has rubbed off on you.

 

[us2are1]

That is such silly thinking, mainly because it denies the very works of Christ Jesus done through His people in the western Christian nations, which of course includes your own country of Canada, AND THE U.S.A. That's the same kind of un-Christian thinking that the hippie generation of my era had, and what did they wind up doing by their Socialist prodders? They started flying the NORTH VIETNAMESE FLAG on college campuses! That's the very same rhetoric you're using Prentis, while trying to disguise it like it's coming from Christ, when it is not. You've obviously been hanging around those on Socialist-Communism, and much of it has rubbed off on you.

No one has ever done a christian act with a gun in their hand. No matter what they think or say.

 

[veteran]

No one has ever done a christian act with a gun in their hand. No matter what they think or say.

And I say balderdash to that Socialist Pacifist statement!


Luke 22:36
36 Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
(KJV)

 

[us2are1]

And I say balderdash to that Socialist Pacifist statement!


Luke 22:36
36 Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
(KJV)

That is what you get out of that scripture? Believe in the sword and the gun and you will die by it.

37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

His apostles didn't understand it either because with one of those two swords they struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. Christ rebuked them and finished the teaching about the sword like this.

51 But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And He touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 26
52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.




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[Buzzfruit]

That is what you get out of that scripture? Believe in the sword and the gun and you will die by it.

37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

His apostles didn't understand it either because with one of those two swords they struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. Christ rebuked them and finished the teaching about the sword like this.

51 But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And He touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 26
52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Those with their own worldly and political agenda always try to twist and take part of the scriptures out of the context of what comes before it or after. They don't study the Bible to learn and be correct, but to see what verse or scripture supports what they have already believed.

 

[us2are1]

Those with their own worldly and political agenda always try to twist and take part of the scriptures out of the context of what comes before it or after. They don't study the Bible to learn and be correct, but to see what verse or scripture supports what they have already believed.

Unfortunately that does happen a lot.




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[veteran]

That is what you get out of that scripture? Believe in the sword and the gun and you will die by it.

37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

His apostles didn't understand it either because with one of those two swords they struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. Christ rebuked them and finished the teaching about the sword like this.

51 But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And He touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 26
52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
.

It's perfectly OK if you personally want to be a Pacifist and not defend yourself, the poor, nor the widow and the fatherless like God commanded His servants to do. That's your personal choice to not do that.

 

[veteran]

That is what you get out of that scripture? Believe in the sword and the gun and you will die by it.

37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

His apostles didn't understand it either because with one of those two swords they struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. Christ rebuked them and finished the teaching about the sword like this.

51 But Jesus answered and said, "Permit even this." And He touched his ear and healed him.

Matthew 26
52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
.

Luke 22:36
36 Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
(KJV)

A Pacifist that won't stop the wicked in their terror against God's children have lost their saltiness for Christ Jesus and are 'lukewarm'. We know what Christ said will occur with those who are 'lukewarm'.

 

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No one has ever done a christian act with a gun in their hand. No matter what they think or say.

I think you mean well, but Ecclesiastes 3 as well as the flow of history advises us differently. I think the question that deserves further discussion is not the pursuit of war and peace, but justification for it.

Romans 13 has often been used to justify complacency and Christian subservience to wicked rulers and governments. The German government of the 1930's used the chapter efficiently to reduce their Christian nation to a mob of warmongers and anti-semites. In our day, misdirected American preachers use it to cultivate support for greedy and hawkish policies of our own government. None dare question its actions from the pulpit.

It is true that Jesus didn't raise his hand against anyone, but the kingdom He was promoting was not of this world. While we are in it, we need to focus upon the true value of peace even if it means a hostile defense of the poor and defenseless. This isn't circular thinking, it's logic that demands our attention and our judgment. Are we part of a society that promotes warfare on a global scale, promotes torture, allows its own government to cheat its own citizens while it rewards men in tall office buildings who direct it? If so, how should we respond?

As I see it, we who were once the defenders of the poor and downtrodden now find ourselves in the position of sheep being led to the shearing and slaughter. To whom do we truly owe our allegiance?

To paraphrase Dietrich Bonhoeffer, no response IS a response. How shall we then respond, in peace or in opposition? It is for each man to judge in his heart, but judge we must.