Why aren't you struggling with this question

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Before Christ, the law was a curse to men since they could not stand up under it. However, Christ died so now man can stand up under the law through him. You may say that man can't stand up under the law even with Christ, so that is why his blood exists. However, how can this be true if you are full of Christ's righteousness and his righteousness is what allowed him to stand up under the law. Do you seriously have that little faith? Do you seriously think the righteousness of Christ, which allowed him to stand up under the law, can't do the same for you? Indeed, it can, so then why are you drinking and eating? Why are you fathoming various heavenly secrets when you're in no position to? You are not giving God the maximum when you can with Christ's righteousness. So how about you stop fathoming, understand that you can stand up under the law, and do it. As for the concept of why Christ's blood was poured out if though him Christians can be perfect, it's simple: many will fail when it comes to this path. Therefore, to ensure those who at their core love God yet due to their lackings fail, God poured out Christ's blood. The other reason it was poured out was because all men have fallen, so they need to be forgiven at least once. But that's it, at least once. It is said all men have fallen, but not that all men must keep falling. All men have fallen short, but with Christ that need not happen.

 

[Angelina]

Before Christ, the law was a curse to men since they could not stand up under it. However, Christ died so now man can stand up under the law through him. You may say that man can't stand up under the law even with Christ, so that is why his blood exists. However, how can this be true if you are full of Christ's righteousness and his righteousness is what allowed him to stand up under the law. Do you seriously have that little faith? Do you seriously think the righteousness of Christ, which allowed him to stand up under the law, can't do the same for you? Indeed, it can, so then why are you drinking and eating? Why are you fathoming various heavenly secrets when you're in no position to? You are not giving God the maximum when you can with Christ's righteousness. So how about you stop fathoming, understand that you can stand up under the law, and do it. As for the concept of why Christ's blood was poured out if though him Christians can be perfect, it's simple: many will fail when it comes to this path. Therefore, to ensure those who at their core love God yet due to their lackings fail, God poured out Christ's blood. The other reason it was poured out was because all men have fallen, so they need to be forgiven at least once. But that's it, at least once. It is said all men have fallen, but not that all men must keep falling. All men have fallen short, but with Christ that need not happen.

Noooooo.... The law came in to show mankind how sinful they were. The curse comes because folks were not able to follow the law fully. The bible tells us that Christ has redeemed us from that curse by becoming a curse for us. Galatians 3:10-13.

That is why God made a better covenant through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. Not through the law but by Christ's righteousness and his redeeming work on the cross.

 

[Angelina]

We are no-longer under the law given to Moses. Romans 8:1 says.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

We are no-longer under the law given to Moses. Romans 8:1 says.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

If there is no condemnation for those in Christ, why do you even need to be forgiven in the first place? Why were the Corinthians punished for their desecration of the body? As for walking according to the Spirit, by what do you think the Spirit abides by? God is the answer. And what is the law but the will of God? Therefore you walk by the law since you walk by the Spirit and the Spirit walks by the will of God.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Noooooo.... The law came in to show mankind how sinful they were. The curse comes because folks were not able to follow the law fully. The bible tells us that Christ has redeemed us from that curse by becoming a curse for us. Galatians 3:10-13.

That is why God made a better covenant through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. Not through the law but by Christ's righteousness and his redeeming work on the cross.

I'm sick of hearing the ranting of how the law is gone and now we are free. Understand this, you are now free to FOLLOW THE LAW! Before you weren't free to follow the law since you couldn't. However, now you can. Also, the true law wasn't revealed at the time before Jesus. Specifically, the old fell away and the true law was revealed. However, that law is still an all encompassing, strict law for it is the will of God.

 

[Angelina]

You may say that man can't stand up under the law even with Christ, so that is why his blood exists. However, how can this be true if you are full of Christ's righteousness and his righteousness is what allowed him to stand up under the law.

Brother your writing is very difficult to understand and perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick here...no mankind cannot fulfil the law because if you break one, you have broken them all. No-one was ever justified through the law. If you broke the law, then you are considered a law breaker. A lawbreaker is guilty of sin. Sin leads to death. The law is the law of sin and death.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Brother your writing is very difficult to understand and perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick here...no mankind cannot fulfil the law because if you break one, you have broken them all. No-one was ever justified through the law. If you broke the law, then you are considered a law breaker. A lawbreaker is guilty of sin. Sin leads to death. The law is the law of sin and death.

However, just I have written so it is. Man failed, but Christ succeeded where man failed. So if you are full of Christ's righteousness, then why do you keep failing if that same power allowed him to stand?

 

[Angelina]

If there is no condemnation for those in Christ, why do you even need to be forgiven in the first place? Why were the Corinthians punished for their desecration of the body? As for walking according to the Spirit, by what do you think the Spirit abides by? God is the answer. And what is the law but the will of God? Therefore you walk by the law since you walk by the Spirit and the Spirit walks by the will of God.

Because not everyone has heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The person requiring forgiveness is the one who as been living a life without Christ. People are not automatically saved because Jesus died on the cross. They are saved because they understand that the penalty of sin is death and if you who do not know Jesus, die without him as your Lord and Savior, you will die a sinner.

Without Christ and without the means of his blood shed on your behalf as a penalty for your sins.

 

[Angelina]

However, just I have written so it is. Man failed, but Christ succeeded where man failed. So if you are full of Christ's righteousness, then why do you keep failing if that same power allowed him to stand?

Because we didn't do it!!!! Christ did it. It is by grace we have been saved through faith, it is not our own doing. It is a gift from God

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Because not everyone has heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The person requiring forgiveness is the one who as been living a life without Christ. People are not automatically saved because Jesus died on the cross. They are saved because they understand that the penalty of sin is death and if you who do not know Jesus, die without him as your Lord and Savior, you will die a sinner.

Without Christ and without the means of his blood shed on your behalf as a penalty for your sins.

You said condemnation does not exist for those in Christ, but in order for a wrong to be forgiven by the blood of Christ condemnation must exist first so that a debt can be created. This was my point, but you misunderstood it

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Because we didn't do it!!!! Christ did it. It is by grace we have been saved through faith, it is not our own doing. It is a gift from God

Is Christ the end all or is he an enabler for those who want to follow the law? Answer, he is an enabler. His power enables those who wish to follow to law to follow it and his blood enables those who wish to but can't fully to to saved under the law by providing forgiveness. Therefore, it is following the law that saves rather than Christ alone. Simply put, you receive salvation through Christ, but Christ is not the salvation! Rather, he is the means through which you receive salvation, and that salvation is abiding by the will of God

 

[Angelina]

You said condemnation does not exist for those in Christ, but in order for a wrong to be forgiven by the blood of Christ condemnation must exist first so that a debt can be created. This was my point, but you misunderstood it

Very difficult for me to understand you brother. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because I'm from NZ IDK....

 

[Angelina]

Is Christ the end all or is he an enabler for those who want to follow the law? Answer, he is an enabler. His power enables those who wish to follow to law to follow it and his blood enables those who wish to but can't fully to to saved under the law by providing forgiveness. Therefore, it is following the law that saves rather than Christ alone. Simply put, you receive salvation through Christ, but Christ is not the salvation! Rather, he is the means through which you receive salvation, and that salvation is abiding by the will of God

Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes..

Jesus said that the 2 commandments below fulfil all the law and the prophets...

Matthew 22
But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[Angelina]

Is Christ the end all or is he an enabler for those who want to follow the law? Answer, he is an enabler. His power enables those who wish to follow to law to follow it and his blood enables those who wish to but can't fully to to saved under the law by providing forgiveness. Therefore, it is following the law that saves rather than Christ alone. Simply put, you receive salvation through Christ, but Christ is not the salvation! Rather, he is the means through which you receive salvation, and that salvation is abiding by the will of God

Okay brother have you ever read the book of Hebrews or do you stick to the OT?

 

[Angelina]

Okay here we go...Hebrews 9

Old Covenant Ministry
9 Now the first covenant also had regulations for ministry and an earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was set up, and in the first room, which is called the holy place, were the lampstand, the table, and the presentation loaves. 3 Behind the second curtain, the tabernacle was called the most holy place. 4 It contained the gold altar of incense and the ark of the covenant, covered with gold on all sides, in which there was a gold jar containing the manna, Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 The cherubim of glory were above it overshadowing the mercy seat. It is not possible to speak about these things in detail right now.

6 With these things set up this way, the priests enter the first room repeatedly, performing their ministry. 7 But the high priest alone enters the second room, and he does that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was making it clear that the way into the most holy place had not yet been disclosed while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 This is a symbol for the present time, during which gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the worshiper’s conscience. 10 They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of restoration.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

1. He's the end of the law because the law begins with all these instructions and then ends with the fact that all these things can only be done with Christ's righteousness, just as I said. Also, notice how it doesn't say Christ is the beginning and end. That's because he's not. The will of God is the beginning and the practical application is the end.
2.And that disproves my point how?

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Okay brother have you ever read the book of Hebrews or do you stick to the OT?

Why should I read Hebrews? Why should I read the OT also?

 

[Angelina]

why not. You want these questions answered don't you. Then why not find out for yourself and read the bible?

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Okay here we go...Hebrews 9

Old Covenant Ministry
9 Now the first covenant also had regulations for ministry and an earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was set up, and in the first room, which is called the holy place, were the lampstand, the table, and the presentation loaves. 3 Behind the second curtain, the tabernacle was called the most holy place. 4 It contained the gold altar of incense and the ark of the covenant, covered with gold on all sides, in which there was a gold jar containing the manna, Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5 The cherubim of glory were above it overshadowing the mercy seat. It is not possible to speak about these things in detail right now.

6 With these things set up this way, the priests enter the first room repeatedly, performing their ministry. 7 But the high priest alone enters the second room, and he does that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was making it clear that the way into the most holy place had not yet been disclosed while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 This is a symbol for the present time, during which gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the worshiper’s conscience. 10 They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of restoration.

Various practices were instituted in the old for the reason of prophecy. But now the time of prophecy has come to an end so those old practices are gone. Furthermore, with the coming of Christ some other practices are gone as well. However, the core of the law, the will of God, still applies. You are to work for salvation. Think that's wrong? Then understand you are a slave to God and Christ. Only good slaves are allowed to live while bad ones are put down like the animals they are. What makes a good slave? One who does his master's will. However, some cannot always perform the master's will so forgiveness is necessitated. But still, attempts to do the masters will in Christ must be made by all servants for them to be saved. After all, a servant is meant to WORK FOR THE MASTER.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

why not. You want these questions answered don't you. Then why not find out for yourself and read the bible?

Why should I read the bible when I have the Spirit of God right here? The Spirit of God is inside me and not the Bible, or did you forget that fact?