Why can these Bible teachings and commands be ignored while others can not?

[Born_Again]

Hi Wormwood, it's been almost a month now since my original posts that go into great detail on the original Greek words, so until you find time to address each and every example I've provided for you that refutes what you have said on this subject, maybe it would be better for us to simply agree that Christ is our saviour.

You have got to be kidding... That actually rendered me speechless for a moment... WOW!!!..
Great that you can agree Christ is your savior. You'll need it. You are essentially holding him to run a gauntlet of misquoted texts to satisfy you.. This is not from Christ. You are mislead by the enemy.

Matthew 7:15-20New International Version (NIV)

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

You have got to be kidding... That actually rendered me speechless for a moment... WOW!!!..
Great that you can agree Christ is your savior. You'll need it. You are essentially holding him to run a gauntlet of misquoted texts to satisfy you.. This is not from Christ. You are mislead by the enemy.

Matthew 7:15-20New International Version (NIV)

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Yep, Christ is my saviour and is with me all the time.

 

[Wormwood]

Aaron,

In post #19 I started to address the Greek words and explain their meaning. Your response was that there were lots of denominations that thought like you and that you really didn't want to get in a discussion on the Greek with me. It seemed clear to me that you were not interested in my explanation and that you didn't want to discuss it. I am puzzled at how you can claim you have clearly refuted those who disagree with you, or claim I refused to address this! If I were to address the words, it would have been for the sake of others on this board wanting to explore this further. The only times I have inserted myself in this conversation is when you are making factual claims about language or history that I feel others need clarification on since most on here do not know Greek or have access to scholarly works on Church history.

 

[Born_Again]

Well, I urge everyone on this thread to do the following.... Since, it is obvious this is not from Christ......


Ephesians 6:11New International Version (NIV)
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

Aaron,

In post #9 I started to address the Greek words and explain their meaning. Your response was that there were lots of denominations that thought like you and that you really didn't want to get in a discussion on the Greek with me. It seemed clear to me that you were not interested in my explanation and that you didn't want to discuss it. I am puzzled at how you can claim you have clearly refuted those who disagree with you, or claim I refused to address this! If I were to address the words, it would have been for the sake of others on this board wanting to explore this further. The only times I have inserted myself in this conversation is when you are making factual claims about language or history that I feel others need clarification on since most on here do not know Greek or have access to scholarly works on Church history.

Hi Wormwood, yes, Jesus Christ is my saviour, and I'm puzzled by the fact that so far you nor anyone else on here haven't been able to address the very simple question I asked earlier, about abominations and taboos.

 

[Born_Again]

Why? You cant even acknowledge the texts he's shown you.... This isn't some kind of game where if you hold your breath long enough he'll give in. Every time you don't want to answer... it's Jesus loves me this I know.... You are the bigger avoider on here than anyone. And no, Aaron, that doesn't mean I don't like you. Before you get all upset. The OP "Why can these Bible teachings and commands be ignored while others can not?" This is exactly what you are doing... You of all people can not refute that..

 

[lforrest]

Hi Wormwood, it's been almost a month now since my original posts that go into great detail on the original Greek words, so until you find time to address each and every example I've provided for you that refutes what you have said on this subject, maybe it would be better for us to simply agree that Christ is our saviour.

Actually all he needed to do is refute a single one of your re-translated scriptures or misunderstood interpretations. Scripture needs to agree with itself, and the Orthodox understanding of the scriptures condemning homosexuality is consistent. However if you are incorrect concerning even one of these scriptures it creates a contradiction in your doctrine. If there is a contradiction within doctrine it becomes worthless. You have not pursued Wormwood's refutations to a conclusion, instead opting to "agree to disagree." If you call the card "lets agree to disagree" you can't claim to have won any argument.

 

[Wormwood]

aaron i have read your posts and they hold a persuasive view point. but you split hairs by how you define things and make it sound like one word is less important then another. for example your change of abomination for taboo. satanic worship was taboo but it was still carried out so does this make it right? because in today' society it is ok to start up a satanic church. satanic churches are taboo/abominations to God's way of thinking. all you have done to prove sexual immorality is ok if we sugar coat it by saying that as long as you are married that is becomes acceptable. sin is still sin. nowhere in the bible to my knowledge is sexual immorality(even your sugar coated version) ok with God. even in a homosexual relationship there is the manly person and the submissive one just like a real Godly marriage. it is just that the homosexual marriage is a twist to God's perfect marriage. satan twists everything that God does. just as God creates but satan destroys, God is into life and the devil is into death, God makes us bold and satan makes us afraid, and God tells the truth and satan lies. i could go on and on. all sin great and small are equal in God's sight. with the exception of one and that one is different.

This is 7angels quote of which you wanted a response. It seems he/she is saying that whether or not a word is translated as abomination or taboo, its still defined as wrong. So I am not sure what you are looking for here. Are you asking if I think the word should be translated abomination or taboo? Or are you asking if I agree that something taboo in the OT should be viewed as sinful today?

 

[Born_Again]

2 Timothy 4:3 - 4:4

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

This is 7angels quote of which you wanted a response. It seems he/she is saying that whether or not a word is translated as abomination or taboo, its still defined as wrong. So I am not sure what you are looking for here. Are you asking if I think the word should be translated abomination or taboo? Or are you asking if I agree that something taboo in the OT should be viewed as sinful today?

What I am addressing is that if God considered shellfish eaters an abomination worthy of disgust or hatred at some point, that now we realize how crazy that is.

 

[Wormwood]

I think under the Old Covenant, eating unclean food was forbidden and something that was considered breaking a covenant agreement with God. So yes, it was serious and not at all "crazy." In our covenant through Christ's blood, that law is not applicable to us or part of our covenant. I don't think any part of God's Word or past covenant is crazy or foolish. It all has a purpose and comes from an infinitely wise Creator.

 

[heretoeternity]

Fortunately the beauty of the joining of two souls in monogamous union and love is what all the denominations that agree with what I share with you focus on. I'm really not aware of any true Christian denomination or churches who want to know or broadcast all the many possibilities of sexual congress that a man and woman can explore within the privacy of their lives, let alone of 'any' couple's private sex lives. All men are aware that most heterosexual men engage in 'sodomy' with women if they are willing, so the hypocrisy here on the subject, besides the vulgarity, is breathtaking in its scope.

You are the hypocritical one who cannot stand the truth of the Bible, and God's creation and have to resort to misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and falsehoods to try and further the perverted sexual practice of sodomy...as I said enjoy wearing those diapers, and bon appetite...your private jlife is your own, so why not keep it private...you are obviously doing satans work here, and he has taught you well!

 

[Born_Again]

You are the hypocritical one who cannot stand the truth of the Bible, and God's creation and have to resort to misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and falsehoods to try and further the perverted sexual practice of sodomy...as I said enjoy wearing those diapers, and bon appetite...your private jlife is your own, so why not keep it private...you are obviously doing satans work here, and he has taught you well!

Thank you!! This is certainly not the work of Christ and it is time the enemy is called out!! Thank you heretoenternity!

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

Thank you all so much, you fellow Christians, for fulfilling, exemplifying, and living the following teachings of Christ, in how you address, and interact with me, a fellow worshiper of Jesus:

Matthew 7:1-5

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Proverbs 10:12

"Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs."

Ephesians 4:2

“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.”

James 4:12

"There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 14:1-13

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

Titus 3:2-7

"To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.."

James 4:11-12

"Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 12:16-19

"Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God.."

1 Corinthians 13:1-8

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful.."

Matthew 6:14-15

"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Romans 12:10

“Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.”

1st John 4:7-8

“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”

Matthew 22:36-39

“Teacher,” he asked, “which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and the most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’"

1 John 4:20

"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen."

John 13:34-35

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Matthew 5:22

“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.”

1 Peter 4:8

"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins."

Romans 12:8

“Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.”

Luke 6:37

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven.."

John 3:17

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him."

The Pharisees, a popular Jewish renewal movement in the time of Jesus, accepted into their fellowship only men who adopted priestly purity laws in daily life. The Pharisees looked down upon the majority of the Jews as "the people of the land," the un-spiritual masses, as many people do today upon gay people.The Essenes, who gathered in Qumran near the Dead Sea, took exclusion to a level far beyond the Pharisaic standard. Entrance into the Essene community required, not only that one be a male who practiced priestly purity, but virtual separation from all who were not part of their monastic community. Not only were outsiders unwelcome in the Essene fellowship, but also they had nothing to look forward to from the Lord other than fiery judgment.

When contrasted to the exclusionary practices of the Pharisees and the Essenes, Jesus' teachings of openness, acceptance, and love to common people – even those who were ritually unclean or regarded as sinners – stands out starkly.

As Jesus said in John 8:7 - "..Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

 

[Born_Again]

You are still missing the point. It was the doctrine and the twisting of scripture which was being attacked. You chose to take it personal. I stand firm. The twisting of Gods word is far worse than anything you just listed.

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

You are still missing the point. It was the doctrine and the twisting of scripture which was being attacked. You chose to take it personal. I stand firm. The twisting of Gods word is far worse than anything you just listed.

Yes, that is true, you are missing the point, which is why as a Christian I rebuke you as Christ taught in love so that you may repent and truly follow Christ's teachings of Love.. If you cannot accept the rebuke and disagree with me, then I suggest you stay on threads that are more to your liking and comfort zone.

 

[Born_Again]

Yes, that is true, you are missing the point, which is why as a Christian I rebuke you in love so that you repent and truly follow Christ's teachings of Love.. If you cannot accept the rebuke and disagree with me, then I suggest you stay on threads that are more to your liking and comfort zone.

My comfort zone??? Really,,,, Why would anyone walking with Christ be comfortable with His word being twisted to meet needs.. Oh, and the "You are missing the point" rephrased.. "I know you are but what am I." "I rebuke you" You are simply casting off accountability. Go ahead rebuke me.... I'll still sleep soundly at night. I don't need to repent but just about everyone here certainly feels you need to. Once again, I stand firm!

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

My comfort zone??? Really,,,, Why would anyone walking with Christ be comfortable with His word being twisted to meet needs.. Oh, and the "You are missing the point" rephrased.. "I know you are but what am I." "I rebuke you" You are simply casting off accountability. Go ahead rebuke me.... I'll still sleep soundly at night. I don't need to repent but just about everyone here certainly feels you need to. Once again, I stand firm!

Excellent... I as well will sleep soundly at night. God bless you.

 

[lforrest]

Thank you all so much, you fellow Christians, for fulfilling, exemplifying, and living the following teachings of Christ, in how you address, and interact with me, a fellow worshiper of Jesus:

Sarcasm is deceit's little sister; their father is the devil.

 

[Aaron Lindahl]

lforrest, I greatly admire how you follow Christ's teaching below:

John 13:34

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another."