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Marymog

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I don't know why my questions or comments are seen or heard as threats.
Could it be because they just don't fit into the paradigm you appear stuck in?.....that's a simple enough question isn't it?
Did I ever say you are a threat?...........that's a simple enough question isn't it?

Here is what I have been saying all along: An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

You are not a threat....you are a troll.
 

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We are wasting our time talking to @theefaith. He is more interested in defending the RCC stance on Mary's all powerful, perpetual virginity that he is in finding the truth. But we can hope. (and pray)

That is the truth!

mans I would not spend so much time if I did not care!
 

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Did I ever say you are a threat?...........that's a simple enough question isn't it?

Here is what I have been saying all along: An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

You are not a threat....you are a troll.
That's a convenient way of passing the buck. If you notice, it is I who is trying to draw you out. It is not you trying to draw me out.
Your response is to tar me with a negative and then reinforce it rather than take the courage to question yourself.
 

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A false argument is your means of a put down of another member. I did provide an answer in that I said, according to the scriptures, that we are not to worship anyone else but God, without saying how I worship. If we are not supposed to worship anyone else but God, then I have answered your question. Your hounding for a response that you require, to satisfy you, is why I described you as a troll.

Mary, this conversation is over because you are a person with unreasonable expectations that people should agree with you, with your defence of the deadly practices of the RCC with respect to the becoming a candidate for the second death.

Good Bye.
You refused to answer a very simple question of which only YOU knew the answer to. That is how you punted this conversation. To punt is to defer (something) indefinitely according to the dictionary. Since that IS what you did it is NOT a false argument. And you are STILL deffering. :eek:
Punt Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster


Soooo your answer to my question (How do YOU define worship?) is "we are not to worship anyone else but God". Hmmmmm......OK, that's not an answer but if you feel like you have answered that question then peace to you. :rolleyes:

Bottom line is it appears that you THINK Christians (Protestants and Catholics) "worship" Mary as a goddess; equal with God. I am not sure that you really think that since you didn't answer my question! But I digress....:)

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask a person to give their definition of a specific word. The reason for doing that is so that the two people having a conversation are on the same page as to what they are talking about. You think it's unreasonable to be on the same page in a conversation....I don't. :cool:

Here is the truth Jay: YOU were putting YOUR definition of "worship" on the back of those of us who "worship" Mary and telling us we were wrong for worshiping her according to YOUR definition of worship. You THINK that us Christians "worship" Mary according to what YOU have perused from Scripture. That is not a fair way to have a conversation. But your definition of worship is MORE THAN LIKELY not how WE define worship in regards to this matter. But, I will never know since you refused to answer. ;)

Jay, this conversation was over with a longggg time ago....when you refused to answer my very simple question so that I could better understand how YOU define worship.

God bless...Mary
 

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That's a convenient way of passing the buck. If you notice, it is I who is trying to draw you out. It is not you trying to draw me out.
Your response is to tar me with a negative and then reinforce it rather than take the courage to question yourself.
Hey dodgeball, you suggested that your questions or comments are seen or heard as threats.

Did I ever say you are a threat?

Back up your comments with facts and if you have none we can move on.
 

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That is the truth!

mans I would not spend so much time if I did not care!
I know you care @theefaith which makes me even sadder that you have not yet found the freedom to forsake the teachings of the RCC for the teachings in scripture which is infinitely better.

There is nothing like the joy and peace of knowing you belong to Jesus. There is nothing on earth like the freedom this belonging brings. There is no other that can bring us close to God apart from Jesus.
 
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You have just confirmed your idolatrous worship of Mary as your means gaining the second death at the final judgement time. Your arguments are pointless for a true Christian.

how?

And how is this different that queen Esther interceding for the people?
Or queen Mary interceding for the newlyweds in Jn 2?
 

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You have just confirmed your idolatrous worship of Mary as your means gaining the second death at the final judgement time. Your arguments are pointless for a true Christian.

mary is the throne of grace heb 4:16
 

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how?

And how is this different that queen Esther interceding for the people?
Or queen Mary interceding for the newlyweds in Jn 2?
Queen Mary? The only Queens called Mary that I recognise were British. Four of them I think.
 
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I know you care @theefaith which makes me even sadder that you have not yet found the freedom to forsake the teachings of the RCC for the teachings in scripture which is infinitely better.

There is nothing like the joy and peace of knowing you belong to Jesus. There is nothing on earth like the freedom this belonging brings. There is no other that can bring us close to God apart from Jesus.
Hey Pearl,

I know you have found joy and peace according to your interpretation of Scripture. I am happy for you. @theefaith has found peace and joy by accepting The Churches interpretation. Why do you think @theefaith should forsake the Catholic Churches teachings of Scripture and accept YOUR interpretation? Would he then find true peace and joy? What about the Baptist? Lutherans? Methodist? etc.

Curious Mary
 

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You refused to answer a very simple question of which only YOU knew the answer to. That is how you punted this conversation. To punt is to defer (something) indefinitely according to the dictionary. Since that IS what you did it is NOT a false argument. And you are STILL deffering. :eek:
Punt Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster


Soooo your answer to my question (How do YOU define worship?) is "we are not to worship anyone else but God". Hmmmmm......OK, that's not an answer but if you feel like you have answered that question then peace to you. :rolleyes:

Bottom line is it appears that you THINK Christians (Protestants and Catholics) "worship" Mary as a goddess; equal with God. I am not sure that you really think that since you didn't answer my question! But I digress....:)

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask a person to give their definition of a specific word. The reason for doing that is so that the two people having a conversation are on the same page as to what they are talking about. You think it's unreasonable to be on the same page in a conversation....I don't. :cool:

Here is the truth Jay: YOU were putting YOUR definition of "worship" on the back of those of us who "worship" Mary and telling us we were wrong for worshiping her according to YOUR definition of worship. You THINK that us Christians "worship" Mary according to what YOU have perused from Scripture. That is not a fair way to have a conversation. But your definition of worship is MORE THAN LIKELY not how WE define worship in regards to this matter. But, I will never know since you refused to answer. ;)

Jay, this conversation was over with a longggg time ago....when you refused to answer my very simple question so that I could better understand how YOU define worship.

God bless...Mary

Then, Mary, why are you trying to keep it going with your self justification of what you are doing. Sounds like you want to be right, to me, but i am not buying that.

Sorry.

Good Bye party pooper
 

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Hey dodgeball, you suggested that your questions or comments are seen or heard as threats.

Did I ever say you are a threat?

Back up your comments with facts and if you have none we can move on.
ohhh Mm, you need not verbalise feeling threatened to feel threatened. Your posts indicate it.
Anyway, your reality is your reality. You are saddled with yours, I am saddled with mine!
 

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I know you care @theefaith which makes me even sadder that you have not yet found the freedom to forsake the teachings of the RCC for the teachings in scripture which is infinitely better.

There is nothing like the joy and peace of knowing you belong to Jesus. There is nothing on earth like the freedom this belonging brings. There is no other that can bring us close to God apart from Jesus.

Christ and his church are one and inseparable acts 9:4 eph 5:32
 

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then You are saying Jesus is not king
Jesus is King because he is God's only son not because he is Mary's. Mary was an ordinary woman of her time she was not is not and will never be a queen apart from in the wrong teachings of the RCC.

Prince George will one day be King of England not because he is Katherine's son but because he is William's. I feel very angry at the RCC for leading so many people so far astray that they have completely lost the plot ot the true gospel.
 
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Yes they are, but your Catholic version of church is not it.

One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church!

The church is One:

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Isa 22:21-22

21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. (Matt 16:18-19)

Dan 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32-33 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.


Mt 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

John 17:17-23
that they may be one as we are one.

Romans 12:5
so we, who are many, are one body in Christ.

Rom 15:6

1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you... that there be no dissensions among you, but that
you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13
by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.

1 Corinthians 12:20
But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were
called in the one body.

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philippians 2:2
be of same the mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of
one mind.


The church is Holy:


The church is Holy because Her founder is God, and Holy is His name.

She is the spotless bride of Christ.

1 Timothy 3:15
know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

Colossians 1:18
And he [Jesus] is the head of the body, the church.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people
belonging to God... Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


The church is Catholic: (universal)

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matt 28:18-20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Jn 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jn 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Jn 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Jn 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Jn 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world...

Jn 12:47

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

Jn 16:12-13
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them
now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

2 cor 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us (the whole world) to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
 

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World = Universal = Catholic


The church is Apostolic:


Matthew 16:18-10
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 22:28-30
You [the apostles] are those who have continued with me in my trials; and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

John 15:16
You [the apostles] did not choose me, but I [Jesus] chose you and appointed
you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide...

Matthew 28:16,18-20
Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee... And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore
and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them [the apostles] again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

Ephesians 2:19-20
... but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

Acts 1:
Matthias replaces Judas who had the ministry of apostle.

Heb 3:11 Acts 1:
Jesus is an apostle, the apostles are already in succession to Him, they in turn would have successors.






Christians must be instructed in “the faith”!

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31
Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15 matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4
Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Isa 22:21-22
eph 2:20

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

The one true church’s teaching authority from Christ is without error!

A divine institution: founded by Christ on Peter and the holy apostles and their successors unto the end!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

Christ and His church are one! Jn 15:1-5 Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Church has authority from Christ!

Church is free from all error!
 

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Jesus is King because he is God's only son not because he is Mary's. Mary was an ordinary woman of her time she was not is not and will never be a queen apart from in the wrong teachings of the RCC.

Prince George will one day be King of England not because he is Katherine's son but because he is William's. I feel very angry at the RCC for leading so many people so far astray that they have completely lost the plot ot the true gospel.

mary is only queen of Jesus is king not the other way around!

the mother of the king is always queen

ordinary no!

unique! Yes!

only one temple of God not made with hands, only one handmaid of the Lord!

only one mother of God!
Only one immaculate conception!
Only one virgin-mother!

and the Lord is with Her! Lk 1:28