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Discussion in 'The Church Forum' started by Pearl, Aug 31, 2019.

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  1. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    Do we need Sheppard's ? anyone who says we don't is of Satan for sure.
     
  2. Giuliano

    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    Try to be logical. If the president gets impeached, that is covered by the Constitution, so what are you talking about?

    Trying to draw a parallel between marriage is not appropriate since the two are not passing on the sacrament to anyone else. There is no such thing as "matrimonial succession", is there?
    Why the unpleasant tone? You having a bad hair day? My question is if a bishop goes bad, what about the priests he's ordained?

    Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sacrament of Holy Orders

    556 To fulfill their exalted mission, "the apostles were endowed by Christ with a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit coming upon them, and by the imposition of hands they passed on to their auxiliaries the gift of the Spirit, which is transmitted down to our day through episcopal consecration."

    1557 The Second Vatican Council "teaches . . . that the fullness of the sacrament of Holy Orders is conferred by episcopal consecration, that fullness namely which, both in the liturgical tradition of the Church and the language of the Fathers of the Church, is called the high priesthood, the acme (summa) of the sacred ministry."

    1558 "Episcopal consecration confers, together with the office of sanctifying, also the offices of teaching and ruling. . . . In fact . . . by the imposition of hands and through the words of the consecration, the grace of the Holy Spirit is given, and a sacred character is impressed in such wise that bishops, in an eminent and visible manner, take the place of Christ himself, teacher, shepherd, and priest, and act as his representative (in Eius persona agant)." "By virtue, therefore, of the Holy Spirit who has been given to them, bishops have been constituted true and authentic teachers of the faith and have been made pontiffs and pastors."

    I know that some bishops are forbidden to do any more ordinations and the Vatican has declared some priests' ordinations null and void. I would think they would not have the ability to pass on the "special outpouring of the Holy Spirit" by the laying on of hands. I doubt they would retain the Holy Spirit myself. That makes sense; but what about sly bishops who lose the Holy Spirit without being discovered?
     
  3. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Don't you yet know that every "born again christian" is a priest and king unto the Lord for His purposes?
    2 Cor. 3[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
    Rev. 1[6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    > The word "hath" is in the present tense, as in NOW, ever since Pentecost.
     
  4. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    And this:
    2 Cor. 5[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
     
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    2 Cor. 5[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    as though God did beseech you by us lends itself to the notion of apostolic succession. "us" can only mean the Apostles, and the "you" is in reference to those trained as bishops by "us". 2 Cor. 5:18 Nowhere in scripture does the common priesthood have the ministry of reconciliation. That function belongs to the ministerial priesthood. Anointing of the Sick is another function belonging to the ministerial priesthood. It means the same thing as "elder".

    The Latin phrase: "Alter Christus" means the same thing as we pray you in Christ's stead; a title reserved for the ministerial priesthood. We are all priests but we don't have the same ministerial functions as a highly trained bishop, and by extension, the Office of the Ministerial Priesthood.
     
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  6. ScottA

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    The royal priesthood is not made up of those "highly trained", but of those of the birthright of the spirit of God. This too was the error of Korah.
     
  7. Pearl

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    Quite so! I seems you may not have read my opening question correctly.
     
  8. Earburner

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    Ooopps! Sorry about that!☺️
     
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    So that the pedophiles in Hollywood and Washington don't get lonely.
     
  10. Pearl

    Pearl Well-Known Member

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  11. BreadOfLife

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    The Protestant objection to human intercession is based largely on a single line of Scripture that says, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus…” (1 Tim. 2:5).

    However, we also read in the Bible that we are called upon to intercede in prayer for one another (1 Cor. 3:9, 1 Tim. 2:1-3, Eph 6:18, James 5:16, 1 John 5:16). Whereas, Jesus is our only mediator because only His blood is the perfect sacrifice before the Father for our sins, our intercession for one another is commanded in the Scriptures.

    In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
    - The High Priest
    - The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood
    - The rest of the people were a general priesthood of believers.

    In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
    - Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
    - The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
    - The general priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

    Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious than the Old Testament type.

    Finally, in the Epistle of Jude, we read the warning about those who would usurp Church Authority by assuming the ministerial priesthood without the Church’s consent (Jude 1:11). In this passage he compares them to the rebellion of Korah and their subsequent punishment (Numbers 16:1-35; 31:16).

    We are ALL priests - but we are NOT all ministerial priests (James 5:14-15).
     
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