Why do we need priests?

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BreadOfLife

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The problem is, that if you are committed to the beliefs of the RCC, then I am not your brother in Christ, because salvation comes only through the RCC and nowhere else. This is the official teaching of the RCC as shown in the Council of Trent and ratified at Vatican II. So, according to the RCC, I can only have true faith if I convert to the RCC.
According to CHRIST Himself.

- Jesus equates His very SELF with His Church - they are indivisible (Acts 9:4-5).
- His Church is HIM on earth and whoever listens to or rejects His Church listens to or rejects HIM (Luke 10:16).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). His Church is the pillar and foundation of that truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- His Church is His Body and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

It's not a choice between Christ "OR" His Church.
They are INDIVISIBLE . . .
 

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More lies. Anathema does not mean "condemned to hell", and those anathemas that disturb you so much only applies to Catholics. The Church has developed past the 16th century but you are stuck in it. You refuse to grow up.
Anathemas apply to Catholics, get it? Not to persons, but to doctrines. The Church stopped using the term 200 years ago. Stop pretending you understand Trent (that took 18 years to complete) and Catholic teaching and development of doctrine because obviously you haven't a clue.

"The vivid Greek term anathema, meaning “accursed,” is directed by the Council of Trent and other Catholic ecumenical councils primarily towards doctrines, rather than persons, based on the ancient practice in the Church of condemning heretical teachings — a procedure itself derived biblically from passages such as Galatians 1:8-9 and 1 Corinthians 16:22 (the latter has anathema both in Greek and in many English versions). There is nothing improper whatsoever in defining correct doctrine and rejecting contrary notions. St. Paul does this constantly. The Catholic Church, however, makes no presumption as to the eternal destiny of any individual whatsoever (not even Martin Luther, whom many Protestants might suspect was on our “damned” list).

Most emphatically: neither anathema nor excommunication means “proclaimed damned (by the Church),” as many Protestants mistakenly suppose. The more literal meanings are “out of the Church” (in the sense of divergence from its doctrines) or “out of communion” (with the sacraments and the Christian fellowship of believers). Excommunication is perfectly in accord with Pauline practices and teachings as expounded in, e.g., 1 Corinthians 5:3-5, 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 1 Timothy 1:19-20, 2 Timothy 2:14-19, 4:14-15, as well as our Lord’s express injunction in Matthew 18:15-18.

We hold that no one can be saved outside the Church, but a knowing and deliberate disobedience against it would render one unsaved. Others not formally members of the Catholic Church can be saved in their sincerity and ignorance, whether or not they are conscious that the Church was crucial in the process.

A person will end up in hell if they (continue to) fight against the Church and do not resist temptations of evil and Satan. This is essentially no different than a Protestant saying “a person will not be saved if they do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior,” or the Bible stating that “fornicators will not inherit the Kingdom of God.” None of these examples are definitive, prophetic, absolute statements of any given person’s eternal destiny, but rather, statements of theology, of what will happen, given the fulfillment of certain conditions.

The Church does not pronounce definitively on any individual’s eternal destiny (with perhaps the exception of of Judas). The Church hopes for every person to be saved, and applies penances in order to attain that end. The point of the anathemas is not condemnation per se, but a sanction which will hopefully cause the person to realize the seriousness and peril of their situation. This is all very biblical and Pauline.

The Church has neither the intrinsic power to condemn anyone to hell (that is God’s prerogative), nor the knowledge of who is there or not (except for that which it claims in the case of canonized saints). It does however, have the power to exclude people from communion with itself, for the purpose of ultimately reclaiming their souls. A deliberate and obstinate refusal to submit to the Church in such circumstances constitutes a serious, grave, mortal sin, which — if unrepented of — self-condemns one to hell by its very nature.

The Council of Trent (in the historical context of a revolt against Catholic teaching and authority) understandably emphasized Catholic teachings and condemned divergences from it, just as councils had always done with what they considered false teaching. Vatican II had a pastoral and ecumenical emphasis, so it stressed commonalities with other Christians and even other religions. Both are valid concerns and truths."
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a formal curse by a pope or a council of the Church, excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine.
"the Pope laid special emphasis on the second of these anathemas"
synonyms: curse, ban, excommunication, damnation, proscription, debarment, denunciation, malediction, execration, imprecation
"the Vatican Council expressed their view without an anathema"

When a person was excommunicated from the Church in the Middle Ages, he was made a non-citizen, fired from his employment, and no shopkeeper was permitted to sell to him. Often an excommunicated person and their family starved to death because they were treated as total outcasts.

Protestants believe in justification by faith alone in Christ, apart from works. This meant and still means, according to the canon of the Council of Trent, still active, that anyone who believes it is anathema - as you are saying, disobedient to the doctrines of the Church and therefore subject to excommunication.

Because the RCC believes it is the only true Church, regardless of the modern 'spin' to hide that belief, excommunication from it means a person is ejected from the body of Christ - condemned to hell - because the RCC believes that it is the only body of Christ in the world, and all other churches and faith groups are disobedient to it and therefore not part of the body of Christ - in their view, "synagogues of Satan".
 

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a formal curse by a pope or a council of the Church, excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine.
"the Pope laid special emphasis on the second of these anathemas"
synonyms: curse, ban, excommunication, damnation, proscription, debarment, denunciation, malediction, execration, imprecation
"the Vatican Council expressed their view without an anathema"

When a person was excommunicated from the Church in the Middle Ages, he was made a non-citizen, fired from his employment, and no shopkeeper was permitted to sell to him. Often an excommunicated person and their family starved to death because they were treated as total outcasts.

Protestants believe in justification by faith alone in Christ, apart from works. This meant and still means, according to the canon of the Council of Trent, still active, that anyone who believes it is anathema - as you are saying, disobedient to the doctrines of the Church and therefore subject to excommunication.

Because the RCC believes it is the only true Church, regardless of the modern 'spin' to hide that belief, excommunication from it means a person is ejected from the body of Christ - condemned to hell - because the RCC believes that it is the only body of Christ in the world, and all other churches and faith groups are disobedient to it and therefore not part of the body of Christ - in their view, "synagogues of Satan".
You just keep repeating the same lies over and over again, ignore my explanations, invent falsehoods and refuse to be reasoned with. goodbye.
 

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This fallacy has already been refuted in post #1074. Scroll up.
The point is that priests are not New Testament Christianity. Priests were either in Judaism or pagan Greek temples, choose which type you want to follow, but God does not support priesthood in the New Covenant. The RCC might support it, but it is just priestcraft and not genuine Christian ministry.

It is a poisonous, Holy Spirit denying function.
 
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Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy


Celibacy
Chapter 15 . . . The Impurities of the Theology of Rome
Chapter 16 . . . The Priests of Rome and the Holy Fathers; or, how I Swore to give up the Word of God to follow the Word of Men
Chapter 17 . . . The Roman Catholic Priesthood, or Ancient and Modern Idolatry
Chapter 18 . . . Nine Consequences of the Dogma of Transubstantiation- The Old Paganism under a Christian Name
....a good, solid Bible Study....

Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy
Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy



Chapter 8 . . . The First Communion
Chapter 9 . . . Intellectual Education in the Roman Catholic College
Chapter 10 . . . Moral and Religious Instruction in the Roman Catholic Colleges
Chapter 11 . . . Protestant Children in the Convents and Nunneries of Rome

Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy


Celibacy
Chapter 15 . . . The Impurities of the Theology of Rome
Chapter 16 . . . The Priests of Rome and the Holy Fathers; or, how I Swore to give up the Word of God to follow the Word of Men
Chapter 17 . . . The Roman Catholic Priesthood, or Ancient and Modern Idolatry
Chapter 18 . . . Nine Consequences of the Dogma of Transubstantiation- The Old Paganism under a Christian Name
In 1885, a former Catholic priest, Charles Chiniquy, wrote a book titled Fifty Years in the Church of Rome in which he made many scandalous allegations against the Catholic Church, including the accusation that the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln in 1865 had been the result of a conspiracy by the Catholic Church, and that the assassin John Wilkes Booth was a Catholic who had been corrupted and led by the Vatican to commit the murder.

Chiniquy, who had been excommunicated by the Catholic Church in 1858, claimed that "emissaries of the Pope" had promised Booth "a crown of glory in heaven" for the killing of Lincoln. According to Chiniquy, the assassination was perpetrated by the Church in revenge for Lincoln's defense of Chiniquy in a 1856 lawsuit.
(in other words, he was a paranoid psychotic)

Chiniquy's writings are still widely distributed and promoted, in books and on webpages. The goal of this website is to provide factual information concerning Charles Chiniquy and his allegations against the Catholic Church.

PASTOR CHINIQUY: AN EXAMINATION OF HIS "FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME"

CHINIQUY VERSUS CHINIQUY

CHARLES CHINIQUY ON ABRAHAM LINCOLN

It's a massive amount of text to plow through if you have nothing to do, but it proves Chiniquy to be a liar and a fraud.
 

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But Jesus always said what the Father in heaven directed Him to say,
and likewise told His disciples to do the same thing, even being honest speaking to those who serve satan and who worship demons and who practice idolatry.

When the Father directed Jesus OR the disciples to expose those who are frauds, hypocrites, sons of the devil or sons of disobedience,
then that is what Jesus OR the disciples DO.
 

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The teachings of Roman Catholicism were exposed by all the Reformers from Martin Luther on for a while.
May we all who seek Jesus CHrist come to know the truth, and be set free from all the false teachings and false teachers who oppose Jesus and the Gospel.
 

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You just keep repeating the same lies over and over again, ignore my explanations, invent falsehoods and refuse to be reasoned with. goodbye.
So far, no one has shown anything Paul posted to be untruthful.
Thus, to call him a liar is quite UNchristian, with no evidence ...
 

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According to CHRIST Himself.

- Jesus equates His very SELF with His Church - they are indivisible (Acts 9:4-5).
- His Church is HIM on earth and whoever listens to or rejects His Church listens to or rejects HIM (Luke 10:16).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). His Church is the pillar and foundation of that truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- His Church is His Body and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

It's not a choice between Christ "OR" His Church.
They are INDIVISIBLE . . .
But the RCC is not a Christian church. It has been corrupted by poisonous doctrines of devils through rat-bag, murderous, adulterer popes intent on world domination, ruling people through fear and deception. It is nothing but a cult.
 

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You just keep repeating the same lies over and over again, ignore my explanations, invent falsehoods and refuse to be reasoned with. goodbye.
The RCC is one of the greatest frauds of history, deceiving millions who think they belong to a Christian church, when it is a pagan religion pretending to be Christian.
 
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So far, no one has shown anything Paul posted to be untruthful.
Thus, to call him a liar is quite UNchristian, with no evidence ...
And you ignore the evidence presented, just as he does. You are going on ignore as well. Good bye.
 

Joseph77

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And you ignore the evidence presented, just as he does. You are going on ignore as well. Good bye.
You apparently have always ignored us, just as you do not accept the Bible,
and not just us, which would be nothing, but ignoring Jesus, ignoring God's Word, the Bible,
that is not something anyone should do.
 

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If you mean the teaching from the false gospel from rome, then they are totally deceived - what will happen to them, God knows.
Hi Joseph

When Jesus said This IS my body/blood he was also teaching a false gospel from Rome?

Joseph: Is not the bread YOU eat and the wine YOU drink a participation in the body of Christ?

curious Mary
 

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The teachings of Roman Catholicism were exposed by all the Reformers from Martin Luther on for a while.
May we all who seek Jesus CHrist come to know the truth, and be set free from all the false teachings and false teachers who oppose Jesus and the Gospel.
Was Luther a false teacher?
 

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But the RCC is not a Christian church. It has been corrupted by poisonous doctrines of devils through rat-bag, murderous, adulterer popes intent on world domination, ruling people through fear and deception. It is nothing but a cult.
Of course it is - according to Satan - and YOU.

Satan hates Christ's Church even more than YOU do, IF that's possible.
That's where YOU get all of the lies you tell about the Church - from the Father of lies . . .
 

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Ummmmmm, please point me to a post - ANY post where you "proved" me wrong . . .
What you should be worrying about is not your snide little remarks but the fact that the catholic church is a criminal organisation hiding child-molesting priests not to mention Pope Alexander VI fathering a daughter, Lucrezia Borgia. Now that is what you should be talking about and be ashamed off, Despite fathering a child the said Pope wasn't sacked like he should have been. There is a word for people like that and it is hypocrites.
 
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