No. That doesn’t explain a Hitler or a psychopath or a Jeffrey Dahmer cooking and eating people.
Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?
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No. That doesn’t explain a Hitler or a psychopath or a Jeffrey Dahmer cooking and eating people.
1stCenturyLady
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Sure it does. Fallen world = our fallen nature which is by our flesh in which our soul is dead to spiritual things until to spiritual rebirth in Christ.
Interestingly enough you may not have know this Jeffery Dahmer came to Christ in prison. Someone killed him shortly afterward if I remember correctly.
1stCenturyLady
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But did he really? I saw him in an interview in prison after he was supposedly saved, and he was asked if he would still kill if he was ever out of prison. He said yes. That is not a person who Jesus has taken away his desire to commit sins of lawlessness.
1stCenturyLady
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Recently I asked a radio call-in-Bible-question show and asked them if a sociopath or psychopath without any conscience could ever be saved. That question stumped them.
No one is perfect… in the flesh but in the spirit one can be mature.
At least someone admitting they would kill again is being open and honest.
That is quite a shock for some to take as well friend 1CL.
At least someone admitting they would kill again is being open and honest.
That is quite a shock for some to take as well friend 1CL.
@MatthewG
Is this another thread where you are wrong in your understanding?
Has Satan been judged yet? I believe that the right answer is, NO, he has not as that is to happen in our near future, when he, along with the kings of the earth, will be judged and gathered together to be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, for many days to await for the time of their punishment.
Matthew, I would suggest that your timeline of events both past and future is out of wack with God's prophetic timeline.
The events of chapter 13 in the Book of Revelation will not happen until after the Bottomless pit is unlocked and that the Chapter 13 events will take place in the little while period before the time of the final judgement, spoken of in rev. 20.
Satan at this present time and also during the Millennium Age does not believe that he will be defeated, now or in the future.
Satan is only defeated when he is captured by Christ and dispatched into the Lake of Fire just before the time of the judgement of the nations by Christ as is also recorded in rev. 20. That is when Satan will finally be defeated.
Shalom
PS: - MatthewG, if you were a teacher of the brethren, then you would know this truth from your studies of the scriptures.
Is this another thread where you are wrong in your understanding?
Has Satan been judged yet? I believe that the right answer is, NO, he has not as that is to happen in our near future, when he, along with the kings of the earth, will be judged and gathered together to be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, for many days to await for the time of their punishment.
Matthew, I would suggest that your timeline of events both past and future is out of wack with God's prophetic timeline.
The events of chapter 13 in the Book of Revelation will not happen until after the Bottomless pit is unlocked and that the Chapter 13 events will take place in the little while period before the time of the final judgement, spoken of in rev. 20.
Satan at this present time and also during the Millennium Age does not believe that he will be defeated, now or in the future.
Satan is only defeated when he is captured by Christ and dispatched into the Lake of Fire just before the time of the judgement of the nations by Christ as is also recorded in rev. 20. That is when Satan will finally be defeated.
Shalom
PS: - MatthewG, if you were a teacher of the brethren, then you would know this truth from your studies of the scriptures.
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Bob Estey
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But as I have just stated in another of your threads, when you disagree with what others are posting you deliberately go about shutting down that thread. That in my opinion is judging others.
If my timeline of when Satan will be finally defeated is flawed, then please present your rebuttal without any airs of being better than others and show the errors in what I have posted.
I await your wisdom on this matter.
The only wisdom that is to be given is understanding that I’m a fallible human being who needs Jesus because I fall short of Gods glory, but Yeshua is Gods glory so we look to Him in faith.
Lambano
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If the question is, "Do Satan and demons still exist", my answer would be an unhesitant and emphatic "Yes". I have two reasons for this.
My first reason is that too many people that I know and trust will testify to having had contact experiences with the Dark Powers. That includes my own sister (people, stay away from Ouija boards), one of my best friends from college (ditto with psychotropic drugs), a current friend, and even some people on this board. I believe their testimony. And if the demonic powers still exist, they are still dangerous.
My second reason is Biblical, slash theological. Matthew, we've talked about eschatology before, and you already know that I consider amillennial, full preterist eschatology to be "over-realized". (That's scholar-speak for, "it claims things in the now that are still yet to come".) My understanding is again based on empirical evidence: I look around with my mark-I eyeballs and I see all the evil done under the sun (Ecclesiastes echo intentional), and I see no evidence that Satan has already been destroyed or is even bound. To the contrary, the evidence of the last century is that things are getting worse. We're no better than our fathers. Jesus's people are still tempted and still sin, and those who are not Jesus's people appear to be highly influenced by the Dark Powers. You can claim that the Flesh (and I wish Paul hadn't used that proto-Gnostic term) doesn't need any outside help to be tempted into sin, and the cynic in me won't disagree, but I still see evidence of demonic powers at work. So, I hold onto the Futurist's hope that Jesus will return, bind Satan, and in the twinkling of an eye give us resurrection bodies that truly cannot sin. Hopefully in the near future. We're still just a beachhead in the battle, but Jesus WILL win in the end. We have God's promise.
One of my favorite preachers used to quote, “The dragon has been slain, but his tail still swishes.” I do want you to be aware that the dragon's tail is still a threat. Ignoring a threat is both foolhardy and dangerous.
My first reason is that too many people that I know and trust will testify to having had contact experiences with the Dark Powers. That includes my own sister (people, stay away from Ouija boards), one of my best friends from college (ditto with psychotropic drugs), a current friend, and even some people on this board. I believe their testimony. And if the demonic powers still exist, they are still dangerous.
My second reason is Biblical, slash theological. Matthew, we've talked about eschatology before, and you already know that I consider amillennial, full preterist eschatology to be "over-realized". (That's scholar-speak for, "it claims things in the now that are still yet to come".) My understanding is again based on empirical evidence: I look around with my mark-I eyeballs and I see all the evil done under the sun (Ecclesiastes echo intentional), and I see no evidence that Satan has already been destroyed or is even bound. To the contrary, the evidence of the last century is that things are getting worse. We're no better than our fathers. Jesus's people are still tempted and still sin, and those who are not Jesus's people appear to be highly influenced by the Dark Powers. You can claim that the Flesh (and I wish Paul hadn't used that proto-Gnostic term) doesn't need any outside help to be tempted into sin, and the cynic in me won't disagree, but I still see evidence of demonic powers at work. So, I hold onto the Futurist's hope that Jesus will return, bind Satan, and in the twinkling of an eye give us resurrection bodies that truly cannot sin. Hopefully in the near future. We're still just a beachhead in the battle, but Jesus WILL win in the end. We have God's promise.
One of my favorite preachers used to quote, “The dragon has been slain, but his tail still swishes.” I do want you to be aware that the dragon's tail is still a threat. Ignoring a threat is both foolhardy and dangerous.
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While it is understood the question “Does evil still exist in the world?” My answer is yes as well, the thing is it caused by the Darkness and not so much Satan and his Angels.
It is up to the individual how they will believe, the Bible states that Satan, the false prophet, and the beast where done away with though most still attribute as those things aren’t don’t yet.
It is all what you believe and have come to understood and it is between you and God himself, it doesn’t have to do with me personally as some may be like look at MatthewG he is a heretic believing that Satan is done away with. What is it to the other individual that drives them to say otherwise?
It is probably due to traditional teachings: but it doesn’t bother me if people wanna attribute everything to Satan to me it is a little redundant however due to our own inherit nature is dark itself until light comes in Lambano.
I don’t believe in using scare tactics just to get people to turn to Christ, it is truth that turns people to Christ and yes darkness still exist and there is still the fleshly pains of losing people, dying to one’s self, and our own faults.
To get past all of these things is looking at Jesus who fulfills our hearts with light, and if we can not love God and love others that seems like a problem with the heart.
It’s confusing for people to sing a song at church that Jesus has had the victory yet no he has not cause Satan is still around… darkness sure that is different. Satan was an accuser of the brethren but all that is done and over with…
There is no more Law for him to accuse anyone because it was nailed to the cross:
Imagine telling that to a child who understood the vocabulary definitions of victory.
There is no more Law for him to accuse anyone because it was nailed to the cross:
Imagine telling that to a child who understood the vocabulary definitions of victory.
You know Mathew is dismissing you when he says, “thanks for your opinion, God bless you.”
It’s passive aggression. We ALL grew up and were taught that useless manner of life. All of us. Some grew up in more of it, some in less of it. It’s a…do it but don’t let anyone see it type thing. Make it look to everyone as if you’re being very nice and maintain plausible deniability. You aren’t supposed to say anything about it since he covered his tracks with mannerliness.
““Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
Matthew 5:11-12 NIV
Jesus victory in my belief is total. Total victory, yet people deny it, and that is okay.
Everyone is accountable to themselves alone towards God. Our eyes always should be focused on the Lord Jesus Christ in a life that is very difficult to live through where people will judge you because they believe they have the right to do so. It is Unfortunate, just listen to Jesus and turn the other cheek friends in Christ.
““You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”
Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
The Revelation has four main views, idealist, pretrist, historist, and futurist views.
I have stated this time and time again, what one believes is between them and God.
Matthew 5:11-12 NIV
Jesus victory in my belief is total. Total victory, yet people deny it, and that is okay.
Everyone is accountable to themselves alone towards God. Our eyes always should be focused on the Lord Jesus Christ in a life that is very difficult to live through where people will judge you because they believe they have the right to do so. It is Unfortunate, just listen to Jesus and turn the other cheek friends in Christ.
““You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”
Matthew 5:38-42 NIV
The Revelation has four main views, idealist, pretrist, historist, and futurist views.
I have stated this time and time again, what one believes is between them and God.
Lambano
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Just to make sure I understand what you are saying: Do you believe
- Satan and his demons exist, but are now impotent and ineffective, or
- Satan and his demons did exist, but no longer do
And just to make sure you understand my own beliefs: I am decidedly NOT one of those people who attributes all sin and evil and temptation to Satan and his minions. One of my real-life church friends is like that, and it drives me nuts because she's blind to her own culpability for some really poor decision making. We don't need Satan's help to screw-up our lives and relationships.
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