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Ricky,I live in the New Testament where anybody has the right to chose whom to believe and would be judged by God himself.God bless,AmiYe have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Amen Ami! But remember, the law still exists. Murder is still sin, Not to honour thy father and thy mother is still sin. (Matthew 5:17-18) The only things that are removed are the rituals, precepts, and ordinances from those laws.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(ami)
Ricky,I live in the New Testament where anybody has the right to chose whom to believe and would be judged by God himself.God bless,AmiYe have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
There you go, now you are indeed ignorance of what i have giving. Read again the question and my word then give me straight answer of what i'm asking. Don't ignored of what i said on it. Note:I'm not talking about where you live, read again.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag;25978)
Amen Ami! But remember, the law still exists. Murder is still sin, Not to honour thy father and thy mother is still sin. (Matthew 5:17-18) The only things that are removed are the rituals, precepts, and ordinances from those laws.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Leviticus 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Leviticus 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. II Kings 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.2 Kings 17:13 (New American Standard Bible)New American Standard Bible (NASB)13. Yet the LORD warned Israel and Judah through all His prophets and every seer, saying, "Turn from your evil ways and keep My commandments, My statutes according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you through My servants the prophets." And Jesus (pbuh) said :Matthew 5:5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Does this meant Jesus will broke what God has said in Leviticus ? Or this meant Jesus said like the way God has spoke at Leviticus ?5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Perhaps the above verses still related with Leviticus 18:5.So, is it meant that Jesus (pbuh) (considered as 'God' as christian believe) has forgot with what he declared previously ? Or is YHWH forgot with his word ?I really don't know how to understand you guys, God said at OT like those verses above, and you said differ. Are you trying to be God Jordan ?Seems like you are hypocrisy.Open your eyes and open your heart, the truth shall come.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Do you really think you are going to get me into your wicked religion Ricky? That's not going to happen cause I know Truth. But I do wish, if YHWH's will, that you come with us and enjoy the wonderful relationship Christians and Jews have in Christ.JagColossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
Do you really think you are going to get me into your wicked religion Ricky?
I'm not trying to get you come into my religion, that is your own problem, but i can tell what is in your heart like the way this verse telling :Al An 'Am (6):125. Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
That's not going to happen cause I know Truth.
Yeah like the way you treated God's Word with your own desired, after your word was refuted by God's Word in Leviticus and 2 Kings, what a shame. And i don't think you are know the truth, because you are not able to see it, event those was in front of your eyes. Wake up, open your heart and open your mind, then you'll see the truth, sometimes truth is hurt somebody, but that is the truth, but you are not knowing it, but claim to be. I do felt pitty on you Jordan.
But I do wish, if YHWH's will, that you come with us and enjoy the wonderful relationship Christians and Jews have in Christ.
I'm enjoying my self in relationship with all human being not just two of kind of religion and one racial race, but it just to bad, some of them was hard to seek the truth really is, like your self for example. But again i don't care what ever the judging that you are pointed at me, for me just God as my Judge, and let God give his judgment over me.
JagColossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
It is too bad, that you are following man hands writing and though rather then God's Word that God already claim on it.
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.It is no way God pull back the Word that he already been made, and that was foretold in the OT, and now with human though you considered that was from God also event that must against His Own Word ? Oh my ... my....And you can more deeply digging the verse on 2 Kings,II Kings 17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.It says all prophets. and in NT time, you know that there are some prophet which is we can know from this verse :Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch. Acts 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.Acts 21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. In the end you will see there is falsely in the Bible. Because God said in 2 Kings that all prophets .... bla... bla...That mean those of the prophets also will saying the same thing if that prophets in Acts was true prophet. Otherwise what God has said in OT was only fake verse, because the real was not like the way He said in the OT.The truth is in front of you and every one. And you all will be the judge and witnesses that i already giving you the thing that you should know. The judge are in your hands, all is in your hands.Only clear mind, and depth inside of heart can see the truth other ways it will always trying to denied it.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Ricky,Many things written in the Old Testament including the one you mentioned are the shadows of what was to come in the New Testament. There are many things that were fulfilled in the New Testament. Jesus came to fulfil them. We are living in the New Testament now where God made a covenant with all human kind. That anybody who believes in his son would live. No more judgment, no more killing.God Bless,Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(ami)
Ricky,Many things written in the Old Testament including the one you mentioned are the shadows of what was to come in the New Testament. There are many things that were fulfilled in the New Testament. Jesus came to fulfil them. We are living in the New Testament now where God made a covenant with all human kind. That anybody who believes in his son would live. No more judgment, no more killing.God Bless,Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Another ignorance of my argument, read it clearly with your clear mind and clean heart. Then you will understand and know the truth.You are living with man word and though, meanwhile God's Word you are dumping away into the trash. God's Word everlasting, but you guys make it disappear because of man though.Now tell me, what the 2 Kings mean ?And again i said one more time, if you dump away those verses of Kings and Leviticus then God was not inconsistent with His own word. Now is it God would do that ?Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
Because of sin. We all are sinners that's why we die.
I don't know what is the relation between what was been discussed with your argument ?You seems a lot of posting that Out Of Topic.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Seems you are not alone Codered I read this story yesterdayI have been studying the Quran since I was around 12. Later I also started reading other kinds of Islamic books like the Life of Prophet Mohammad, Hadiths, etc. I have been Wahabi or Ahlae Hadiths like most of the Saudi Muslims are. (Osama Bin Laden is also one of them.) They are very extreme and I have been one also.I had been taught that Islam is the only way to Heaven. I was told, "If you do this, you'll get so and so blessings in Heaven," and "if you do that, you'll get so and so blessings in Heaven." I became an extremist for the religion Islam.Well, I believed what I was doing was right, and if it is right, then there is no risk in digging. I had read about the prophets in the Quran and Hadiths, but Jesus Christ was the only personality that really touched me more than any others. I found out that Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I very much wondered why they believe that. I started searching for Jesus Christ more and more. I had a Christian friend who used to study with me. I asked him one day if I could have his Bible. He was surprised and said "Sorry, you cannot have it." I assured him no one would ever know, "It will remain between me and you." But my father came to know that I read the Bible and that it was in our home. He was very angry and he knew I have only one Christian friend. So he took me with my uncle to this friend's home and warned them saying, "If you do this again and try to preach Christianity to a Muslim child, you'll have to suffer a lot and you know it. We will complain about it to Islamic Police (Mutawa) and you could be exiled from this country forever." I was a bit worried. I shouldn't have done this to my friend's family.My father warned me, and so did my uncle, to pray five times a day as I used to pray, and one time in the mosque. I kept going, and many times when there was no one in the mosque I used to cry and ask God to show me, "who is this Jesus and who are you?" Often while the Imam (leader) of the prayer was praying in Arabic (as it's compulsory to pray in Arabic only), I did not give much attention to what he was saying. One day I was praying in the Mosque, during Zuhar's prayer (noon prayer). I wasn't thinking of Jesus Christ that time. I saw an image of a handsome person on the floor where we bow our heads in prayer. I was shocked. I never saw such a thing before. It was kind of an image on water. I heard in myself that this is Jesus Christ. This is the Lord!I was worried what and how could that be, as I have learned in the Quran that God is only one, yet Christians take Jesus as the Son of God and also call Him God. This is the greatest sin which God can never forgive. I could not leave without completing my prayer just for this reason. So I completed it and began thinking about it later. My hunger to know about Jesus Christ grew more and more.I did not have a Bible with me anymore. One day I was passing with a friend through shops and I came to an internet shop. I was on the Net on yahoo.com and there came a thought in my mind: type "Who Is Jesus?" I did, and got lots of web sites. I was amazed that I could search about Jesus Christ there.A web site provided very nice information about who Jesus is, and prophecies about Him in the Old Testament, and how amazingly they are fulfilled in the New Testament.I was very much amazed. I never knew how and why to accept Jesus Christ. I was very happy to visit this site. I kept coming to this web site often. Some of the other Christian web sites were blocked as you may know very well. One day I thought of giving Jesus a try and so I said the salvation prayer on their web site. After that I also started thinking, "Did I do the greatest sin? I will never ever get to heaven," and so on.I also had been seeing that same image of Jesus Christ often when I used to go in the Mosque to pray. One day I was walking toward a market using a short cut. It's a bit lonely area. Not many people cross through there. I was walking and had been thinking and asking God if what I was doing was right and should I be Christian or Muslim? I heard a voice behind me saying "My son, you are on the right path." I was again amazed. I had never had experienced these kinds of things.But in all I had been going through, I became happier when I came to know the Holy Bible, which says many things. For example it says,"Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you saying, 'This is the way; walk in it.'"1And it says,"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."2God has been faithful to me!I had learned in the Quran that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were living in Paradise until they committed sin. (This is the same in the Bible.) But in the Quran I was told they were forgiven of their sins. I asked my Muslim friends, "If they were forgiven of their sin, then why did God being so merciful and gracious make them leave the garden? Does it mean He did not forgive them?"If, according to the Quran, the Torah (Pentateuch), Zabur (Psalms) and Injeel (Gospels) are the Word of God, then how can they change? If they have changed, as many Islamic scholars say, then who changed them and why? They claim that the Bible has changed and they feel so happy in that, but to know the truth we need to be humble and seek to find out if everything we believe is really true. Where would I be if I did not search my Bible and ask God's guidance for my life? The God of the Bible replies like no other! That is reality!In the Quran it says that some revelations are abolished or forgotten.3What does that mean? In fact it's exactly the opposite in the Bible.In the Torah, Numbers 23:19,"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind."And in Zabur (Psalms) 31:5,"Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O LORD, the God of truth."And in Injeel (the Gospel of John) 17:17,"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."Never did I find a single verse in the Bible saying that God lies or that He changes His verses and leads people astray.In the Quran we are told to believe in all prophets and all the revealed Books of God which includes the Torah, Zabur, Injeel and even Daniel. If we do not believe in them, that they are the words of God, we are not Muslims. I have been praying this prayer before sleeping when I was Muslim. It can be read in Surah Al-Baqara 285. If we read the Quran we have to read the Bible also which can never change.Many measures and efforts have been taken to destroy the Bible from this earth but they have never been successful. That proves that God who revealed knows very well how to keep it protected. I challenge all who say that the Bible has changed to prove it to me with evidence. Hundreds of scientist have studied it and have confirmed its clarity and what has been written.The prophecies made in the Bible are being fulfilled in our very day. These are some of the most amazing things and confirm who is the author of this book. The very creator of this world knows what is going to happen tomorrow and the coming days. He does not predict it like a psychic but knows it!It's also amazing to understand the differences between Jesus and Mohammad. In the Bible it says:"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God!"4Why is Jesus Christ called the Glad Tidings, the Word of God, held nearest to Allah, but nothing is mentioned about Mohammad as such?Surah MaryamHe said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.Why a faultless son?Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Hadith 4.506, narrated by Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When any human being is born, Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Hadith 4.641Narrated by Said bin Al Musaiyab:Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child."Also, why was Jesus Christ faultless and without sin, whereas Mohammad was touched by Satan and lead a sinful life? Many times in the Quran, Mohammad is reminded of repenting his sins. Every Muslim who reads the Quran with understanding knows it very well.The Bible also says Jesus Christ did miracles and did many other things which no one except God can do. Why did God allow Him to do these things which only He did...things like giving life to death, and healing the sick? Why?Why did Mohammad never do that? Despite many people of his time asking for miracles he refused. But one miracle is recorded in the Quran that he parted the moon in two. What benefit did it bring to humanity?Before Jesus Christ was born, angels were sent to announce the noble birth of a faultless son through a virgin. But Mohammad being the greatest of Prophets in Islam does not have that much privilege? Why is nothing similar said for Mohammad?If God really was able to make a virgin give birth, then why would it be difficult for Him to call Him His Son?The Quran tells that there will be a revelation for mankind and mercy5 -- revelation and mercy to all mankind even after Mohammad. Why? Why is it ordained? What kind of mercy to the world? The Quran does not answer that. Muslims will have to read the Injeel (Gospel) to find out about God's mercy for mankind.In the Injeel (Gospel), Mark 10:46-47, one blind man cries out to the Lord Jesus Christ saying:A blind man, Bartimaeus, was sitting by the roadside begging. When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!"Also in the New Testament:"Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life."6"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In His great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."7The Lord Jesus Christ is not the mercy that was meant for people of His time or of His area only. God made Him Mercy for ALL MANKIND EVEN AFTER MOHAMMAD.We know from the Bible that we are sinners and away from the Lord. Jesus Christ is the only provision for us to reconcile us with the Lord, because He was sinless and became sin for our sake. Our sins were transferred to Him.Jesus Christ bore our sins and became sin for us. In Injeel (Gospel), it says:"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."8To many other people, He said "your sins are forgiven" indicating He wants them to be saved from sins! He bore their sins!Also from the New Testament:"God made Him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God."9Many people have found God's mercy in the Lord Christ and have been changed. One of them is me. Many look for the miracles, authority, Truth and only truth in the wrong places, and I also have been doing so, until I met Him, the only One who not only knows the way to God but Himself is The Way. In Jesus' very words:Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him."10Mohammad and Muslims have been praying every day many times in their much-devoted prayers for guidance, and amazingly the last and greatest of Islam's Prophet kept praying for it till his death.11Was Mohammad on the straight path? Is Islam the straight path? I encourage all Muslims to ask him or herself is it really true what they are doing to get to heaven? Many times in the Quran we come to know that Heaven is the place for whomsoever God wills. Here is one:Surah An-Nur 14Were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah on you in this world and the hereafter a grievous penalty (In Hell) would have seized you in that ye rushed glibly into this affair.Surah At-Taub 111Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their good for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise)What do we understand of it?Surah Al-Maida 35OYe who believe! do your duty to Allah seek the means of approach unto HimI pray God will give hunger in each of us more each day and we will turn to Him for our Spiritual food and our salvation! I have used many Quranic verses to show my Muslim brothers and sisters to know what it actually says for us to do!I do not believe heaven is a place with a price tag on it, which can be bought by our deeds, but only through God's Mercy and grace. I pray God will give hunger in each of us more each day and we will turn to Him for our Spiritual food and our salvation! It is made so simple like never before. Come to Him with a humble heart. Seek His Face and find yourself in His arms!We become a new creation in Christ. It was written long ago, but today it is still true! How our minds and our thoughts change because the One who created us knows how to fill that missing gap and to reinstall our spiritual life in the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only Way to Him! So Brothers and sisters, open your hearts and minds to accept His amazing Love. Allow the Lord Jesus Christ into your life and see what happens next. The greatest adventure in the Universe begins. Whenever I have been in trouble He has been there and comforted me like no one ever could. He has shown me that He's alive forever and He loves us very much. I praise and thank God for sending His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to die for me and for all of us, and making the marvelous and glorious bridge to reach Him! To understand how to begin a relationship with Him, please see: Knowing God Personally.(1) Isaiah 30:21 (2) Jeremiah 29:11-13 (3) Surah Al-Baqara 2:106 (4) (Injeel) John 1:1 (5) Surah Maryam 21 (6) Jude 21 (7) 1 Peter 1:3 (8) Injeel (the Gospel), Matthew 1:21 (9) 2 Corinthians 5:21 (10) John 14:6 (11) Surah Al Fateha 3
Dear Kriss,I haven't read your testimony before. I have to say WOW and Amen to that !May God richly Bless you ! Thank God you are here ! You've got so much to offer too, because of your backround. May God help you and give you new strenght to help others, who are struggling.Love,Thunder1What a testimony,
 

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Dear Muslims,I am an ex-muslim who has many pondering questions. Today I bring you the most important one for the sake of my freedom and right to live !As per muslim belief, Allah made all humans and gave them the highest status over all living creatures. The reason that humans have higher status was because Allah gave us the power to think and therefore free will to choose and be judged for our choices on the judgement day.Then why must I die for my choice as per Islamic law which is derived from Quran, Sunah and Hadith. Here is one example:Narrated Abu Burda:".... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" (Sahih Bukhari 9.58, also Sahih Bukhari 9.271) If I am to be judged by Humans (including prophet being one as well) then what is the use of Judgement day? What is the use of free will on earth? What is the use of a brain that thinks? Truth is if we were to follow and be followed by force then we are no different than an animal being breeded and tamed.Perhaps, you want to set an example? For what? Allah gave every human a brain to use to choose for themselves. Why must I pay for my choice by my death? You made me flee from my loved ones, you are taught to hate me, you want me to live in exile and if ever hunted you want to set a brutal example and that too in the name of peace and tolerance? On the other hand anyone can embrace islam but a muslim can not embrace any other religion or reject Islam? It is not my fault that I was born in this cult ! If Allah wanted me dead for me making a choice not to follow him, He don't need you to do it for him. This is murder, think about it how can Allah allow you to murder other human beings for their beliefs on His behalf !Allah is the protector and a protector dose not need protection from his creation. What justification dose Islam has?
your ex-brother,Code_RED​
I'm just thanking God that you are here, CODE_RED !May God bless you and I know He will and you are so able help others who are struggling. Wow! I'm just new here. And there is so much to read. I just want to encourage you. " No weapon against you will prosper. "Love,Thunder1
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
I'm just thanking God that you are here, CODE_RED !May God bless you and I know He will and you are so able help others who are struggling. Wow! I'm just new here. And there is so much to read. I just want to encourage you. " No weapon against you will prosper. "Love,Thunder1
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, Well I think indeed you need much to read. He is not helping any other, i already refute him, until he keep silent with his thread (*i suppose).His knowing not of his previous faith, event with the Bible it self.In the meaning want to discredit Islam but unfortunately hit his new faith which is has the same rule in the Bible
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.I think indeed you should read much, before saying much
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. Insha Allah i'll do the same
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.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Thank God You are here CODE-RED and may My God bless you and I know He will !1 Cor. 2:14-15 " But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of Him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing."
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim
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, Well I think indeed you need much to read. He is not helping any other, i already refute him, until he keep silent with his thread (*i suppose).His knowing not of his previous faith, event with the Bible it self.In the meaning want to discredit Islam but unfortunately hit his new faith which is has the same rule in the Bible
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.I think indeed you should read much, before saying much
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. Insha Allah i'll do the same
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.Wallaahu a'lam.
Code_RED will live as long as Our God let him. Our God is in control. And yes he is totally able to help so many others in Jesus name I pray. Thank you Lord for being with Code_RED and guiding and loving him. Thank you that you saved him. All the Glory belongs to you our God.
 

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Dear Muslims,I am an ex-muslim who has many pondering questions. Today I bring you the most important one for the sake of my freedom and right to live !As per muslim belief, Allah made all humans and gave them the highest status over all living creatures. The reason that humans have higher status was because Allah gave us the power to think and therefore free will to choose and be judged for our choices on the judgement day.Then why must I die for my choice as per Islamic law which is derived from Quran, Sunah and Hadith. Here is one example:Narrated Abu Burda:".... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" (Sahih Bukhari 9.58, also Sahih Bukhari 9.271) If I am to be judged by Humans (including prophet being one as well) then what is the use of Judgement day? What is the use of free will on earth? What is the use of a brain that thinks? Truth is if we were to follow and be followed by force then we are no different than an animal being breeded and tamed.Perhaps, you want to set an example? For what? Allah gave every human a brain to use to choose for themselves. Why must I pay for my choice by my death? You made me flee from my loved ones, you are taught to hate me, you want me to live in exile and if ever hunted you want to set a brutal example and that too in the name of peace and tolerance? On the other hand anyone can embrace islam but a muslim can not embrace any other religion or reject Islam? It is not my fault that I was born in this cult ! If Allah wanted me dead for me making a choice not to follow him, He don't need you to do it for him. This is murder, think about it how can Allah allow you to murder other human beings for their beliefs on His behalf !Allah is the protector and a protector dose not need protection from his creation. What justification dose Islam has?
your ex-brother,Code_RED​
This reminds me of the 3 Christian student girls beheaded in Indonesia while going to school some years back. May God bless those gilrs. Who are men to defend God?ami
 

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This reminds me of the 3 Christian student girls beheaded in Indonesia while going to school some years back. May God bless those gilrs. Who are men to defend God?ami
I bet you don't event know that Christian, slay more then 100 people in Islamic villagers in that area couple days or month before that info that you hear was happen.Most of them were being head cut without event recognize whether it was women or little kids or old men.And I bet you are not hearing that information wouldn't you ?But I personally, condemn of what those guys whoever they were(Christian nor Moslem) of being cut off those girls. Because it was forbidden in Islamic Law.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Code_RED will live as long as Our God let him. Our God is in control. And yes he is totally able to help so many others in Jesus name I pray. Thank you Lord for being with Code_RED and guiding and loving him. Thank you that you saved him. All the Glory belongs to you our God.
Only God of Universe who has authority of His creature life. He (code) is not able to help any of others instead he has to lie about his old faith(which is I'm asking him to return to God Almighty). Only on Your hand who is the one deserve of Your Guidance.God(Allaah) Knows BestWallaahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI bet you don't event know that Christian, slay more then 100 people in Islamic villagers in that area couple days or month before that info that you hear was happen.Most of them were being head cut without event recognize whether it was women or little kids or old men.And I bet you are not hearing that information wouldn't you ?But I personally, condemn of what those guys whoever they were(Christian nor Moslem) of being cut off those girls. Because it was forbidden in Islamic Law.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky,Could you give me a source Ricky? any news about those killings you saying?God blessAmi
 

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Ricky,Could you give me a source Ricky? any news about those killings you saying?God blessAmi
Do you have an ability to read and understand Indonesia language ? I have the news, and still recorded in Indonesia muslim website, other in Indonesia Online Newspaper (tempointeraktif).(*edit)Wait I have someone has write it on, http://www.indonesiamatters.com/344/And i have some picture of the victim on that genocide.http://www.geocities.com/tragediposo/korban.html here another one if you willing to see.http://www.geocities.com/tragediposo/mtfotokm.htmlAnd if doubt that was not the victim of it, that's fine with us, but we Indonesia Muslim would not forgot of what those Poso Christians did to almost 200 victims so far as I concern, which contain kids and women. If it wasn't the Gov. Indonesia has settle peace agreement, we will surely do the same thing(*edit-wrong thought of mine) take an account on them until they are not event think to do that bloody mass murderer again. But it must be admitted that by person in person it might disappointed to the victims family, because their families gone by sadistic bloody murder. And that's why event the agreement has been settled it still individual of the family victims cannot accepted. I think one of the motive of those guy was cut off christian girl was because of that. But however, it shouldn't they done if they were a has moslem faith, but perhaps because of they don't know what is the rule on the Islamic Rule, they just ignore it. In this situation for me it was dilemma, how ever it is forbidden as per Islamic Law.We muslim has bee philosopy, if you are not disturbing us, we will just fine with it, but if you attack one of them or destroy our home, we will surely chasing you the one who done it, remember the one who done it. We are not allow doing any "killing" without right reason, defencing is one of the think that allowed.Wallaahu a'lam.
 

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Ricky, I can understand your concern for Code_Red. We do the same with our fellow Christian brothers and sisters (or we should). You seem to truly believe what you say and want him/her (?) to believe also. Of course, it is hard to break a pattern of belief when we are taught something our whole lives. I have had things that I had to address that were wrong thinking/acting patterns I had formed and it was very difficult to break the cycle. That doesn't mean we don't need to do it anyway. Obviously, you are at this site for a reason. Why? Do you think you are going to convince any Christian to desert Christ? I don't know if that's your intent, but when Christ gets a hold of your life, He completely changes it! You will never be the same and you don't want to be. You could NEVER convince me to even entertain the thought of believing anything that would contradict the complete Bible. I absolutely believe everything Jesus taught. I believe He was the complete fulfillment of the Old Testament promise. I think there is so much evidence of this. As you read through the books, there are so many references of events that refer to other books. What consistency! I am not saying there are no places where there aren't differences found, but when several people witness a sight, they all think and stress different views to an event. They tend to tell what's important to them-from their perspective. I know some people on this site have been attacking toward you. Well, I can tell you that it is not glorifying to the Lord for us to treat you unkindly, but we cannot compromise truth because that wouldn't be caring about you either. In 1 Corinthian 1:18 the Bible says, "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." Do you know why that's true, Ricky? It's because the Holy Spirit has entered into the heart of the believer to confirm the message of God's Word. It has nothing to do with how intelligent we are or think we are. I do not claim to be a Biblical scholar. I have been a Christian for a long time and have studied the Bible a long time, but every time I pick it up, I ask the Lord to give me a "fresh word" from Him. There is always something to learn. We can never know it all. I do have a college degree and came up against a lot of controversial professors, but I never bought into their philosophies because "I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day."(2 Timothy 1:12). You see a lot of people have met the pastor, but not the Master. There's a big difference! 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." Maybe you have seen too many people who don't act like Christ. For this, I say, Satan wars against us daily to make us fall where we are weak. He doesn't want people to know the truth so he tries to destroy our witness. We need to be better about watching how our lives affect others and acting more like our Lord. I will be praying for you to come to the cross. There's a level ground there for anyone to come, no matter your educational background, religion, creed,color, etc. " The Lord... is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9). I know this is long, but it is literally the difference between life and death. Choose life today!