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Why I must Die !

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by Code_RED, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. Christina

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    Ricky you know I like you but you are in such denial you deny deny pass blame U.S. didnt do 9/11 you tellme not to believe everything I read about Muslims but then you believe everything you read against U.S. and Christianity is there anything that you believe that is real or does it just change with the wind it all seems like much hypocrisy You change your argument every time you want to make a point. One time you say Jesus is above Mohammed You agree he was born of a virgin, the next he is just a man. One time Islam is peaceful and doesn't condone killing the next time you can kill for your own devised reasons. You make comparisons that do not make sense I agree the U.S. has invaded other countries but that is secular civil governments it was never done in the name of God. It was never done to force a religious believe on another nor was the motive religiousand following your muslim law if you stop making excuses and be honest it was Muslims that attacked our country then complain when we do as your laws say we have a right to. Then cry out an declare you were wronged and are just defending yourself. I know the world is a mess but there is wrong everywhere because the Ones Gods laws are not followed niether by governments or by Muslims. What makes us different is Muslims claim to do it as the will of Allah and muslims do not know the will of Allah If muslims followed the One God as they claim they would know this. And follow the Laws of the One God. There is still one fact at the bottom of all this Islam does not follow the One Gods Laws therefore can not claim to follow him.
     
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    Ricky,... Code_RED, Kriss, I etc... have been telling the truth...You are being tortured...in fact you are being sexually abused by Satan. We care about your soul Ricky. But we will not stop saying truth...Jag
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
    Ricky, Code_RED, Kriss, I etc... have been telling the truth...You are being tortured...in fact you are being sexually abused by Satan. We care about your soul Ricky. But we will not stop saying truth...Jag
    [​IMG], i'm not felt tortured at all insya Allah. And another thing, actually what you are considered as truth agains Islam was much lie then truth. You are living in the believe of lie. Which is that lie were you are considered as truth. I already gave an example to you regarding this.I already proofing that you are in lie believe, and i already proofing too that Code_red has telling lie. That still you considered as Truth ?I wonder what is truth as per your term ?But, I can feel what were you are feeling in your heart regarding this, and regarding what you are facing in your heart, it is well tell in the noble Quran [​IMG].Me personally, feel free, feel peace with Islam. And i wouldn't force you to choose Islam, it is your own faith, trust, decision, and i already told to every one, what i has to tell. But if you all want to submission to Islam, I do hope, it is with your own deeply inside of your heart because searching of GOD, not because of human. Because human is still a lot of weakness. But God Who create the Universe is the Most High.I'll give you this verse, that perhaps you can considered to your heart Jordan, and perhaps others.125 فَمَن يُرِدِ اللّهُ أَن يَهْدِيَهُ يَشْرَحْ صَدْرَهُ لِلإِسْلاَمِ وَمَن يُرِدْ أَن يُضِلَّهُ يَجْعَلْ صَدْرَهُ ضَيِّقًا حَرَجًا كَأَنَّمَا يَصَّعَّدُ فِي السَّمَاءِ كَذَلِكَ يَجْعَلُ اللّهُ الرِّجْسَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ Transliteration 125: Faman yuridi Allahu an yahdiyahu yashrah sadrahu lilislami waman yurid an yudillahu yajAAal sadrahu dayyiqan harajan kaannama yassaAAAAadu fee alssamai kathalika yajAAalu Allahu alrrijsa AAala allatheena la yuminoona Yusuf Ali 125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe. Shakir 125: Therefore (for) whomsoever Allah intends that He would guide him aright, He expands his breast for Islam, and (for) whomsoever He intends that He should cause him to err, He makes his breast strait and narrow as though he were ascending upwards; thus does Allah lay uncleanness on those who do not believe. Pickthal 125: And whomsoever it is Allah's will to guide, He expandeth his bosom unto the Surrender, and whomsoever it is His Will to send astray, He maketh his bosom close and narrow as if he were engaged in sheer ascent. Thus Allah layeth ignominy upon those who believe not. M. Khan 125: And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam, and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allah puts the wrath on those who believe not. 126 وَهَذَا صِرَاطُ رَبِّكَ مُسْتَقِيمًا قَدْ فَصَّلْنَا الآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَذَّكَّرُونَ Transliteration 126: Wahatha siratu rabbika mustaqeeman qad fassalna alayati liqawmin yaththakkaroona Yusuf Ali 126: This is the way of thy Lord, leading straight: We have detailed the signs for those who receive admonition. Shakir 126: And this is the path of your Lord, (a) right (path); indeed We have made the communications clear for a people who mind. Pickthal 126: This is the path of thy Lord, a straight path. We have detailed Our revelations for a people who take heed. M. Khan 126: And this is the Path of your Lord (the Quran and Islam) leading Straight. We have detailed Our Revelations for a people who take heed. 127 لَهُمْ دَارُ السَّلاَمِ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَهُوَ وَلِيُّهُمْ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ Transliteration 127: Lahum daru alssalami AAinda rabbihim wahuwa waliyyuhum bima kanoo yaAAmaloona Yusuf Ali 127: For them will be a home of peace in the presence of their Lord: He will be their friend, because they practised (righteousness). Shakir 127: They shall have the abode of peace with their Lord, and He is their guardian because of what they did. Pickthal 127: For them is the abode of peace with their Lord. He will be their Protecting Friend because of what they used to do. M. Khan 127: For them will be the home of peace (Paradise) with their Lord. And He will be their Walee (Helper and Protector) because of what they used to do.Wallahu a'lam, and may God guiding us to His Righteousness Path.
     
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    Dear Muslims,I am an ex-muslim who has many pondering questions. Today I bring you the most important one for the sake of my freedom and right to live !As per muslim belief, Allah made all humans and gave them the highest status over all living creatures. The reason that humans have higher status was because Allah gave us the power to think and therefore free will to choose and be judged for our choices on the judgement day.Then why must I die for my choice as per Islamic law which is derived from Quran, Sunah and Hadith. Here is one example:Narrated Abu Burda:".... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" (Sahih Bukhari 9.58, also Sahih Bukhari 9.271) If I am to be judged by Humans (including prophet being one as well) then what is the use of Judgement day? What is the use of free will on earth? What is the use of a brain that thinks? Truth is if we were to follow and be followed by force then we are no different than an animal being breeded and tamed.Perhaps, you want to set an example? For what? Allah gave every human a brain to use to choose for themselves. Why must I pay for my choice by my death? You made me flee from my loved ones, you are taught to hate me, you want me to live in exile and if ever hunted you want to set a brutal example and that too in the name of peace and tolerance? On the other hand anyone can embrace islam but a muslim can not embrace any other religion or reject Islam? It is not my fault that I was born in this cult ! If Allah wanted me dead for me making a choice not to follow him, He don't need you to do it for him. This is murder, think about it how can Allah allow you to murder other human beings for their beliefs on His behalf !Allah is the protector and a protector dose not need protection from his creation. What justification dose Islam has?
    your ex-brother,Code_RED​
    I sense that you are misunderstanding the concept of religion in the eyes of God, so I want to give an attept to clear some things which you and many others are confused about.God created us so He is the one who sets the rules on what we can and can't do in this world because after all we are all His property. The free will He gave us is to choose between truth and falsehood, because you are either with the party of god or with party of satan. Everything good is from Allah while satan is the spearhead of evil and corruption.But why this issue of apostasy in Islam? Because Islam is the religion of truth and the religion of god can only be one, so if you were to know the truth and then you rejected it, would that not be a great crime in the eyes of god and be a punishable act? If you were taken to court for a crime you had committed and you concealed or rejected the truth would that not work against you? Then what about when you reject the religion of the creator of the heavens and the earth? If you take it in this context then the religion of Allah against others is littery truth Vs falsehood because god, his religion and the truth is only one.But you might be thinking a christian may argue the same thing and claim to follow the religion of truth, how would you distinguish which religion is the religion of truth? A religion of truth has to stand the test of time because god knew that science, biology etc would exist in the future so He would send a book which must be prevalent in all times and generations, and the problem with the bible is that it contradicts scientific facts and there are elements of blind following, let me give you an example take a look at this;Genesis 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.Genesis 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.Genesis 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.These are amongst many contradictions and confusions in christianity, let alone the trinity and other things.But there is not a single scientific fact that contradicts Islam. Here is an example which I pasted in another post,
    Reports of matters of the unseen, both past and future, which no human being could speak of independently, no matter how great his knowledge, especially at that time which is regarded as primitive in terms of technology and modern tools. There are many things which had not been discovered yet, and which have only been discovered after lengthy and difficult exploration with the most modern equipment, but Allaah told us about them in the Quraan, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned them, fifteen centuries ago, such as the stages of embryonic development, the nature of the oceans, etc. These things have made some non-muslims state that this could only have come from God, as in the case of the development of the embryo: Only 60 years ago, researchers confirmed that man does not come into existence all at once, but rather he passes through stages of development one after another. Only 60 years ago, science discovered this one Quraanic fact. Shaykh al-Zandaani said, we met an American professor, one of the greatest American scientists, whose name was Professor Marshall Johnson, and we told him that it says in the Qur’aan that man is created in stages. When he heard this, he was sitting down, but he stood up and said, Stages? We said, That was in the seventh century CE! This Book came and said, man was created in stages. He said, That is impossible, impossible We told him, Why do you say that? This Book says (interpretation of the meaning): He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness [al-Zumar 39:6] What is the matter with you, that [you fear not Allaah (His punishment), and] you hope not for reward (from Allaah or you believe not in His Oneness).While He has created you in (different) stages [Nooh 71:14] Then he sat back down on his chair and after a few moments he said, There are only three possibilities. The first is that Muhammad had a huge microscope through which he managed to study these things and he knew things that the people did not know, and he said these things. The second is that this happened by accident, it was a coincidence. The third is that he was a Messenger from God. We said, With regard to the first idea, that he had a microscope and other equipment, you know that a microscope needs lenses, and lenses need glass and technical expertise and other equipment. Some of this information can only be discovered with an electron microscope which needs electricity, and electricity needs knowledge which should have been acquired by an earlier generation. It is not possible for this knowledge to have been acquired all at once in a single generation; the previous generation would have had to strive hard in developing science and transmitting it to the next generation, and so on. But for this to be the work of one man, with no one coming before him or after him, either in his own land or the neighbouring lands for the Romans, Persians and Arabs were ignorant and had no such equipment for one man to have all these instruments and tools which he did not pass on to anyone else this is not possible. He said, Thats right, it would be very difficult. We said, And for it to have been an accident or coincidence, what would you think if we said that the Quraan did not mention this fact only in one verse but in several verses, and that it did not refer to it in general terms but that it gave details of every stage, saying that in the first stage such and such happens, in the second stage such and such happens, in the third stage and so on. Could that be a coincidence? When we explained to him all the details of those stages, he said, It is wrong to say that this is an accident! This is well-founded knowledge. We said, Then how do you explain it? He said, There is no explanation except that this is revelation from above! nbsp;With regard to the many statements in the Quraan concerning the sea, some of these facts were not discovered until very recently, and many of them are still unknown. For example, these facts were discovered after hundreds of marine stations had been set up, and after images had been taken by satellites. The one who said this was Professor Schroeder, one of the greatest oceanographers in West Germany. He used to say that if science advanced, religion would have to retreat. But when he heard the translation of the verses of the Quraan, he was stunned and said, These could not be the words of a human being. And Professor Dorjaro, a professor of oceanography, told us of the latest developments on science, when he heard the aayah: Or (the state of a disbeliever) is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allaah has not appointed light, for him there is no light[al-Noor 24:40 interpretation of the meaning] He said, In the past, man could not dive to a depth of more than twenty meters because he had no special equipment. But now we can dive to the bottom of the ocean, using modern equipment, and we find intense darkness at a depth of two hundred meters. The aayah says a vast deep sea . The discoveries in the depths of the sea give us an understanding of the aayah, (layers of) darkness upon darkness. It is known that there are seven colours in the spectrum, including red, yellow, blue, green, orange, etc. When we dive down into the depths of the ocean, these colours disappear one after another, and the disappearance of each colour results in more darkness. Red disappears first, then orange, then yellow the last colour to disappear is blue, at a depth of two hundred meters. Each colour that disappears adds to the darkness until it reaches total darkness. With regard to the phrase waves topped by waves, it has been proven scientifically that there is a separation between the upper and lower parts of the ocean, and that this separation is filled with waves, as if there are waves on the edge of the dark, lower portion of the sea, which we do not see, and there are waves on the shores of the sea, which we do see. So it is as if there are waves above waves. This is a confirmed scientific fact, hence Professor Dorjaro said concerning these Quraanic verses, that this cannot be human knowledge.
    And there are very many such examples. There is no force or compulsion in the religion of Islam but the issue of rejecting the religion of god is a great crime in the eyes of god.
     
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    Dear Muslims, I am an ex-muslim who has many pondering questions. Today I bring you the most important one for the sake of my freedom and right to live ! As per muslim belief, Allah made all humans and gave them the highest status over all living creatures. The reason that humans have higher status was because Allah gave us the power to think and therefore free will to choose and be judged for our choices on the judgement day. Then why must I die for my choice as per Islamic law which is derived from Quran, Sunah and Hadith. Here is one example: Narrated Abu Burda:".... The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" (Sahih Bukhari 9.58, also Sahih Bukhari 9.271) If I am to be judged by Humans (including prophet being one as well) then what is the use of Judgement day? What is the use of free will on earth? What is the use of a brain that thinks? Truth is if we were to follow and be followed by force then we are no different than an animal being breeded and tamed. Perhaps, you want to set an example? For what? Allah gave every human a brain to use to choose for themselves. Why must I pay for my choice by my death? You made me flee from my loved ones, you are taught to hate me, you want me to live in exile and if ever hunted you want to set a brutal example and that too in the name of peace and tolerance? On the other hand anyone can embrace islam but a muslim can not embrace any other religion or reject Islam? It is not my fault that I was born in this cult ! If Allah wanted me dead for me making a choice not to follow him, He don't need you to do it for him. This is murder, think about it how can Allah allow you to murder other human beings for their beliefs on His behalf ! Allah is the protector and a protector dose not need protection from his creation. What justification dose Islam has?
    your ex-brother,Code_RED​
    I sense that you are misunderstanding the concept of religion in the eyes of God, so I want to give an attept to clear some things which you and many others are confused about.God created us so He is the one who sets the rules on what we can and can't do in this world because after all we are all His property. The free will He gave us is to choose between truth and falsehood, because you are either with the party of god or with party of satan. Everything good is from Allah while satan is the spearhead of evil and corruption.But why this issue of apostasy in Islam? Because Islam is the religion of truth and the religion of god can only be one, so if you were to know the truth and then you rejected it, would that not be a great crime in the eyes of god and be a punishable act? If you were taken to court for a crime you had committed and you concealed or rejected the truth would that not work against you? Then what about when you reject the religion of the creator of the heavens and the earth? If you take it in this context then the religion of Allah against others is littery truth Vs falsehood because god, his religion and the truth is only one.But you might be thinking a christian may argue the same thing and claim to follow the religion of truth, how would you distinguish which religion is the religion of truth? A religion of truth has to stand the test of time because god knew that science, biology etc would exist in the future so He would send a book which must be prevalent in all times and generations, and the problem with the bible is that it contradicts scientific facts and there are elements of blind following, let me give you an example take a look at this;Genesis 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.Genesis 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.Genesis 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.These are amongst many contradictions and confusions in christianity, let alone the trinity and other things.But there is not a single scientific fact that contradicts Islam. Here is an example which I pasted in another post,
    Reports of matters of the unseen, both past and future, which no human being could speak of independently, no matter how great his knowledge, especially at that time which is regarded as primitive in terms of technology and modern tools. There are many things which had not been discovered yet, and which have only been discovered after lengthy and difficult exploration with the most modern equipment, but Allaah told us about them in the Quraan, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned them, fifteen centuries ago, such as the stages of embryonic development, the nature of the oceans, etc. These things have made some non-muslims state that this could only have come from God, as in the case of the development of the embryo: Only 60 years ago, researchers confirmed that man does not come into existence all at once, but rather he passes through stages of development one after another. Only 60 years ago, science discovered this one Quraanic fact. Shaykh al-Zandaani said, we met an American professor, one of the greatest American scientists, whose name was Professor Marshall Johnson, and we told him that it says in the Qur’aan that man is created in stages. When he heard this, he was sitting down, but he stood up and said, Stages? We said, That was in the seventh century CE! This Book came and said, man was created in stages. He said, That is impossible, impossible We told him, Why do you say that? This Book says (interpretation of the meaning): He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness [al-Zumar 39:6] What is the matter with you, that [you fear not Allaah (His punishment), and] you hope not for reward (from Allaah or you believe not in His Oneness).While He has created you in (different) stages [Nooh 71:14] Then he sat back down on his chair and after a few moments he said, There are only three possibilities. The first is that Muhammad had a huge microscope through which he managed to study these things and he knew things that the people did not know, and he said these things. The second is that this happened by accident, it was a coincidence. The third is that he was a Messenger from God. We said, With regard to the first idea, that he had a microscope and other equipment, you know that a microscope needs lenses, and lenses need glass and technical expertise and other equipment. Some of this information can only be discovered with an electron microscope which needs electricity, and electricity needs knowledge which should have been acquired by an earlier generation. It is not possible for this knowledge to have been acquired all at once in a single generation; the previous generation would have had to strive hard in developing science and transmitting it to the next generation, and so on. But for this to be the work of one man, with no one coming before him or after him, either in his own land or the neighbouring lands for the Romans, Persians and Arabs were ignorant and had no such equipment for one man to have all these instruments and tools which he did not pass on to anyone else this is not possible. He said, Thats right, it would be very difficult. We said, And for it to have been an accident or coincidence, what would you think if we said that the Quraan did not mention this fact only in one verse but in several verses, and that it did not refer to it in general terms but that it gave details of every stage, saying that in the first stage such and such happens, in the second stage such and such happens, in the third stage and so on. Could that be a coincidence? When we explained to him all the details of those stages, he said, It is wrong to say that this is an accident! This is well-founded knowledge. We said, Then how do you explain it? He said, There is no explanation except that this is revelation from above! nbsp; With regard to the many statements in the Quraan concerning the sea, some of these facts were not discovered until very recently, and many of them are still unknown. For example, these facts were discovered after hundreds of marine stations had been set up, and after images had been taken by satellites. The one who said this was Professor Schroeder, one of the greatest oceanographers in West Germany. He used to say that if science advanced, religion would have to retreat. But when he heard the translation of the verses of the Quraan, he was stunned and said, These could not be the words of a human being. And Professor Dorjaro, a professor of oceanography, told us of the latest developments on science, when he heard the aayah: Or (the state of a disbeliever) is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allaah has not appointed light, for him there is no light[al-Noor 24:40 interpretation of the meaning] He said, In the past, man could not dive to a depth of more than twenty meters because he had no special equipment. But now we can dive to the bottom of the ocean, using modern equipment, and we find intense darkness at a depth of two hundred meters. The aayah says a vast deep sea . The discoveries in the depths of the sea give us an understanding of the aayah, (layers of) darkness upon darkness. It is known that there are seven colours in the spectrum, including red, yellow, blue, green, orange, etc. When we dive down into the depths of the ocean, these colours disappear one after another, and the disappearance of each colour results in more darkness. Red disappears first, then orange, then yellow the last colour to disappear is blue, at a depth of two hundred meters. Each colour that disappears adds to the darkness until it reaches total darkness. With regard to the phrase waves topped by waves, it has been proven scientifically that there is a separation between the upper and lower parts of the ocean, and that this separation is filled with waves, as if there are waves on the edge of the dark, lower portion of the sea, which we do not see, and there are waves on the shores of the sea, which we do see. So it is as if there are waves above waves. This is a confirmed scientific fact, hence Professor Dorjaro said concerning these Quraanic verses, that this cannot be human knowledge.
    And there are very many such examples. There is no force or compulsion in the religion of Islam but the issue of rejecting the religion of god is a great crime in the eyes of god.Those verses DOES NOT contradict themselves. You have taken them WAY out of context. You can only understand a lie, but not the Truth.Jag
     
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    Dear Ricky,You must learn to understand that that the US and other countries who invaded Iraq was becaused of a perceived threat of Weapons of Mass destruction being used against the enemies of Sadam Hussein. It was not an attack by Christians but a secular government.It was not an attack on Muslims but on the Iraqi regime that actually had a history of killing more Iraqi Muslims for years before outside intervention.You must learn to separate Religion and politics.Muslim and Christian involvement is purely incidental.In Sudan Muslims are killing Muslim - who will stop that war? No Muslim countries have taken the lead to end it. If Western countries try to help stop the killing - once again they will be accused of killing Muslims rather than being thanked for stopping one group of Muslim killing the other.If the Muslim world learned to sort out its own problems without drawing Western countries and their cash into the equation no Western (Christian in your eyes)country would ever need set foot on Muslim soil.Western aid to Indonesia after the tsunami was resented because it was seen as imperialistic. If people in Western countries had not been so generous how much would have been donated by Islamic countries?During the Pakistan earthquake - once again Western aid was despised as imperialism.Western aid to Palestinians is used for weapons, film studios and other follies rather than to feed its people who once again blame the West for not being fed.The horrible Christians in the West can't do right for doing wrong.We offer aid or military support and we are resented.If we ignore your warring ways and let you starve we are resentedSeems to me a no win situation.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim
     
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    Those verses DOES NOT contradict themselves. You have taken them WAY out of context. You can only understand a lie, but not the Truth.Jag
    Well, can you explain them then?
     
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    Those verses DOES NOT contradict themselves. You have taken them WAY out of context. You can only understand a lie, but not the Truth.Jag
    Well, can you explain them then?Yes I can explain them.1. Trees (literal) was created before man. (Genesis 1) Trees are symbolic (Genesis 2)2. Birds was created before man. (Genesis 1) The word created and the word formed are two different words and meaning... (Genesis 2)3. Same as #2.4. God created the races of men at the same time. (Genesis 1:26-28) Adam was formed first, (Genesis 2:7) God formed Eve last (Genesis 2:21-23) Because it was a lineage of Christ to come through. No contradiction in any of these verses. Adam & Eve aren't the first two people in this world.Jag
     
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    Yes I can explain them.1. Trees (literal) was created before man. (Genesis 1) Trees are symbolic (Genesis 2)2. Birds was created before man. (Genesis 1) The word created and the word formed are two different words and meaning... (Genesis 2)3. Same as #2.4. God created the races of men at the same time. (Genesis 1:26-28) Adam was formed first, (Genesis 2:7) God formed Eve last (Genesis 2:21-23) Because it was a lineage of Christ to come through. No contradiction in any of these verses. Adam & Eve aren't the first two people in this world.Jag
    Well sorry for interrupt, just wanna ask question.If human was taken from God image, that's mean eve also from God image, correct ?So the looks like of God there is also female kind, is it correct, please explain ?Wallahu a'lam.
     
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    Yes I can explain them.1. Trees (literal) was created before man. (Genesis 1) Trees are symbolic (Genesis 2)2. Birds was created before man. (Genesis 1) The word created and the word formed are two different words and meaning... (Genesis 2)3. Same as #2.4. God created the races of men at the same time. (Genesis 1:26-28) Adam was formed first, (Genesis 2:7) God formed Eve last (Genesis 2:21-23) Because it was a lineage of Christ to come through. No contradiction in any of these verses. Adam & Eve aren't the first two people in this world.Jag
    Well sorry for interrupt, just wanna ask question.If human was taken from God image, that's mean eve also from God image, correct ?So the looks like of God there is also female kind, is it correct, please explain ?Wallahu a'lam.Yes Ricky, You, IbnFarasat, Kriss, I and the rest of this world are made in the image of God. Yes there is a male and a female flesh. As we are in the flesh body. The only thing that doesn't exist is a female angel, as ALL angels are males.Jag
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim1. Further question, what is the definition on the image of God anyway ? Is it the look like of physical or what ?2. How can you say that the angel are only Male, meanwhile in human, there are two kind of image which is male and female which is God image as well. So how you explain this ?Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Hi Brothers and sisters,I read Code's and Kriss's posts. Thanks to Kriss and Code for sharing us their lives. Jesus said clearly and boldly "I am the way,the life,the truth".Kriss God knew your heart, your interest to know the way,the truth and the life and that is why you saw Jesus. Thank God for that.Our God is not a dictator. We follow him by choice not by obligation.Be blessed,Ami
     
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    Hi Brothers and sisters,I read Code's and Kriss's posts. Thanks to Kriss and Code for sharing us their lives. Jesus said clearly and boldly "I am the way,the life,the truth".Kriss God knew your heart, your interest to know the way,the truth and the life and that is why you saw Jesus. Thank God for that.Our God is not a dictator. We follow him by choice not by obligation.Be blessed,Ami
    If that the case on the LemonChiffon and underline one, then why YHWH order to kill His follower who did an apostasy ? Event Jesus has indicated with the same thing in the Gospel (if i'm not mistake in reading it).So what is actually 'by choice' meant on your perception ami ? (If you willing to answer).Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Ricky,I didn't get your question. Can you be more specific and give me a verse from the bible where Jesus said whatever you trying to say.I think i am clear when i say "by chose". I mean Jesus didn't punish or kill no one for his or her decision in choosing whom to belive. He clearly showed us the choice is ours. He was more than clear that no one can come to the father except through him. He said boldly that whosoever belives in him will be saved. He though us love and merci. And that is all about the new testement.ThanksAmi
     
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    Ricky,I didn't get your question. Can you be more specific and give me a verse from the bible where Jesus said whatever you trying to say.I think i am clear when i say "by chose". I mean Jesus didn't punish or kill no one for his or her decision in choosing whom to belive. He clearly showed us the choice is ours. He was more than clear that no one can come to the father except through him. He said boldly that whosoever belives in him will be saved. He though us love and merci. And that is all about the new testement.ThanksAmi
    Oh God, it's rollover again.YHWH Elohyim(He is God) spoke :Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."YeShua God as per christian believe said :Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.As per christian believe, of course God would not contradict His word, correct ?God Words will everlasting. Now what do you think ami ?Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Ricky,I asked you to give me one good example from the New Testament where Jesus spoke of killing or stoning people for the sake of their beliefs, and the only verse you could come up with was Matthew8:6. But I think you have misunderstood what Jesus has said or you have read it out of context which I think you do most often in your arguments.For our better understanding of Matthew 8:6 in its context, let’s see the previous verses. Matthew 8:1-34At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.As you might see clearly Jesus was teaching his disciples about judgment day not killing people or stoning them to death. "Love your enemies". God bless,Ami
     
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    Ricky,I asked you to give me one good example from the New Testament where Jesus spoke of killing or stoning people for the sake of their beliefs, and the only verse you could come up with was Matthew8:6. But I think you have misunderstood what Jesus has said or you have read it out of context which I think you do most often in your arguments.
    And you are quit sometimes ignorance of what has been giving. If you are still considered YHWH was as your God as well He also Jesus (YeShua) as per christian term, then why you ignore Deuteronomy ? Is that God(which is Jesus as well) who gave that Law ? Or who ?
    For our better understanding of Matthew 8:6 in its context, let’s see the previous verses. Matthew 8:1-34At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.As you might see clearly Jesus was teaching his disciples about judgment day not killing people or stoning them to death. "Love your enemies". God bless,Ami
    Jesus was strength point to his disciple to obey God and him as His Messenger like the children with they purity. So those disciples who were not trying to keep the purity believe to God and him as His Messenger. Jesus gave them warn which is more better if those who already follow Jesus with purity and then apostate against him and make others to follow his/her wrong doers to follow.It's up to you want to see it with the context or not. Again Jesus will not contradict his word in the OT (which is Jesus was God as well of course he also the one who in charge of giving the law, correct ? ) Now, i want to hear you to explain Deuteronomy, are you going to throw it ? Clear mind need it to see it clear.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Ricky,I live in the New Testament where anybody has the right to chose whom to believe and would be judged by God himself.God bless,AmiYe have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
     
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