Yikes! Please don't have kids. Kids need parents, and if you're going to consciously choose to not be a parent, then you're robbing your own kids of the stable leadership they need. Kids are not adults. Don't treat them like adults.
Why is it somehow ok for people to force their kids to play sports even when they don’t want to?
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Wrangler
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My point exactly.
The point of sports is to build the person. First, the body. Then, over time, the character.
It is not about how well you play the sport. It's about learning discipline. In High School, I used to run 5 miles before school. On days that I worked but did not run before school, I ran 7 miles after work.
Can one learn disciple without playing sports? Sure, what of the body? Why is our culture so intellectual that we're letting go of the foundation our life - which is physical. As Christians, we know our body is a temple of God. We shouldn't treat it like a waste container.
Wrangler
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THEN you are abdicating the most important responsibility that God will ever give you.
Agreed. The 10C do not say to honor your friend.
Why honor parents? It is precisely because they cared for you enough teach you right from wrong after giving you life.
It's easy and fun to make life, "make love" as they say. It's not easy or fun to take responsibility for the moral development of an otherwise wild child until they are an adult.
This past weekend, I was blessed to hold in my arms my 18th grandchild! While visiting, her 3 yo and 6 yo older brothers played with me for hours. During that time, their parents gave them continuous doses of loving discipline.
- Not to go out with a new gift that might get lost or ruined.
- Not to climb on the changing table.
- Not to jump off the couch.
- Not to climb on the love seat back.
- Not to swing the bat when your 3 yo brother is near.
- Eat your dinner.
As the grandfather, I am no longer responsible for disciplining the next generation but am so proud of my daughter and son-in-love (that's what my church calls 'in-laws'. 'In-love' is so much more an appropriate description of the relationship.) The kids do not know better. It is hateful to "let them learn the hard way," when the reality of bad choices catches up with them. Far better to be guided by loving parents.
And one of the very best gifts any parent can give is discipline. You cannot be successful in ANY aspect of life without it. Was there conflict with me and my daughters growing up? Were there battles of will? YES. And being there, fighting those battles is HOW I SHOWED I loved them. And it has made all the difference. There respect for me is enormous because they now know as adults the importance of daily loving fatherly discipline.
Michiah-Imla
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Sister-n-Christ
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Behold
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2 types of people in this world.
Doer's and Watchers.
Leaders and followers
Confident and cowards.
So, the word says to "train up a child"".......and of course that is mainly to train them to see God, love God, and trust God.
To know He is there, to know He is on their side, and to understand all this as JESUS.
But also..
Heros are made, not just born.
Leaders are built.
So, we want confident children, and the way you do this is to build them as confident.
Children, very young are a blank slate, ready to be modeled into champions.
And that means you have to get them involved in DOING.
So, that means you place them in situations where they have to pull their weight and step up to the plate.
Being a part of a TEAM,, or having some type of weekly lessons......
Anything where they have to produce by preperation.... vs just follow from behind, hiding.
Doer's and Watchers.
Leaders and followers
Confident and cowards.
So, the word says to "train up a child"".......and of course that is mainly to train them to see God, love God, and trust God.
To know He is there, to know He is on their side, and to understand all this as JESUS.
But also..
Heros are made, not just born.
Leaders are built.
So, we want confident children, and the way you do this is to build them as confident.
Children, very young are a blank slate, ready to be modeled into champions.
And that means you have to get them involved in DOING.
So, that means you place them in situations where they have to pull their weight and step up to the plate.
Being a part of a TEAM,, or having some type of weekly lessons......
Anything where they have to produce by preperation.... vs just follow from behind, hiding.
Good intentions there, but that can backfire too. If you force them to do something they don't like, you'll just make them dislike it even more. Also, if they're not good at it, it will only hurt their confidence more. I say, let them focus on the things they're good at. 1. They'll enjoy it, and 2. It will boost their confidence.
The reason why? The same reason parents make their children brush their teeth. Because it's good for them.
Much love!
Behold
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Young Kids are just kids, and they dont automatically know what they like or dislike.
They learn this... as they go.
Most Kids will be a bit reticent to try anything they've never tried......but its in the trying that they discover themselves, their capacity for growth.
And in this they become.
The word of God says the parent is to train the child.
You train a child best... by getting them involved, as that is discipline.
They learn in the failing and in the falling that they don't like it, and so, they overcome, and overcome, and that is the most important discipline to learn.
Learning not to quit, has to be learned, and if you dont learn this then your life is going to suffer for it.
So, the parent is in charge of this, and if they fail the child then they've ruined the child.
A ruined child is a badly trained child, exactly like one who isn't, and they both grow up, .. with their training........one way or the other.
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“In our competitive society, where it seems that only the strong and winners deserve to live, sport also teaches us how to lose. It forces us, in learning the art of losing, to confront our fragility, our limitations and our imperfections. It is through the experience of these limits that we open our hearts to hope. Athletes who never make mistakes, who never lose, do not exist.”
(Pope Leo XIV)
(Pope Leo XIV)
A parent, well an attentive parent, should be able to discern the gifts and talents that their children have, and encourage those gifts, be it sports, artistry, voice, .... whatever, then at some point when the child can voice to their parent "I have something else in my heart that I'm more passionate about, support that.
Space_Karen
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Kids playing sports is evil?
Hyperbole?
Between the one and the (extreme) other, playing sports is the way to go.
My mom forced me to eat my carrots and spinach, and all that supposed good stuff for me and I would have gladly ordained you my advocate against my mother.
How dare she
My dad (my step dad in this case) didn't like to eat his vegetables either but pretty much was quiet about it, except this one time. My sister and I were complaining how utterly gross the spinach was this one time and we were made to eat it regardless of being exceptional loud about it (both of us gagging that stuff down). After we were finished my step dad took a mouth full and spit it and looked at mom and said, this IS gross! It turns out she added something like 1 cup of vinegar to it when it ought to have been 1 Tablespoon, so you can imagine how that tasted going down. And mom just laughed after she put a little of it to her tongue and said apologized for making us eat it. But I suppose when you are griping about your veggies all the time it will fall on deaf ears when you really have something to gripe about. Mom wasnt really a good cook, and so she wasnt gifted in making veggies appealing typically, but boy when she blundered them it was really bad.
But my own husband has never eaten a veggy since I've known him. I would encourage our daughter to eat hers, and ofcourse she would ask why daddy doesn't eat his veggies (he made things difficult that way) and he would tell her daddy takes his in a giant pill (so he does not have to) and when she grew up she could do that too. How helpful was he? lol
I really dislike cooked spinach. One day my mother said if I wanted to “eat like an animal” I could eat uncooked spinach, but she was bound and determined that I was going to eat spinach.
I ate it uncooked and liked it! (I still do. And that is the only way that I’ll eat it.)
Mom was right and got her way. My only regret is that she said it the way that she did.
If only she had said if I wanted to “eat like Popeye,” it would have been a much more pleasant experience for both of us.
I hear ya, I like it in salads perferrably without pesticides lol. While alot of the mom's back in the day (my mom included) were pushing the canned stuff on us, no wonder we grew up detesting vegetables.
My husband always told me that his mom would use Popeye eating his canned spinach would make him strong, and my husband has worked out since he was 12 years old, and she thought she could entice him that way, but that was a no go. He ended up being a pretty big guy, and a powerlifter, and later a bodybuilder having never touched vegetables. And would jokingly mock his mom flexing his biceps before her saying, Popeye aint got nothing on me and I never needed spinach to get these guns" lol! So that did not work on him and he ended up proving his mother wrong on the whole Popeye thing
I agree fresh is always best, that canned stuff is discusting. I only knew canned asparagus, and that was my favorite canned veggy as a kid, and when I grew up and tasted fresh I was in heaven lol! Its still one of my favorites today.
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