Why is this forum full of so many hateful "Christians"?

[Prayer Warrior]

Even so such a pro-life organization is a means to an end. Once the goal is reached the organization ceases to exist.

Not sure I understand your point.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Someone suggested it was not Jesus's hand I got, but the enemy... It took me months to get over such a suggestion, because of the spiritual implications of it.

Ah, yes. The good old, Cessationist "everything supernatural is of the Devil" argument, Lol.

Gives me the warm fuzzies, too.

 

[Grailhunter]

I know exactly what you guys are talking about. I am thinking about, editing Christ's statements out of the Bible. Black them out, cancelling Christ's account. He should be more huggy kissy when He addresses evil.

"You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart."

"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?"

 

[Seven of Nine]

And I think there is a problem with associating oneself with an organization that has set itself against God. It is proper that the organization should be condemned by Christians, and all their evils exposed.

And HERE is the problem with associating oneself with a morally depraved man, whose personal behavior is the epitome of the seven deadly sins and whose personal life is a perfect example of Galatians 5:19-21. It is proper that this man be avoided by Christians, and all his sins exposed.

I think the problem comes with placing too much faith in man, and not enough in God. It causes people to idolize their particular cause with a sort of religious zealotry. This is a problem for the left and the right, but more-so for the left.

I believe both sides are equally guilty. I know I'm not the only person who thinks that a Christian who supports and defends a morally depraved man like Trump doesn't have an ounce of moral credibility to pompously judge Biden or other Democrats for their sinful and unethical behavior.

 

[lforrest]

Not sure I understand your point.

If abortion were outlawed and the sanctity of life in the womb recieved full social acceptance, would there be a need for a pro life group?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Those of us you have God the Spirit living inside of us CAN, right?

Some of us? Sometimes. I'd like to say "Most of us? Most of the time," only that might border more on Positive Thinking than facing cold hard reality, Lol.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It's the liberals, they're trying to convert all the youth to their cause, so they try to destroy anything Christian conservative. I don't even know why I have to use the term conservative when I say Christian. Saying Christian used to be the same as Christian conservative.

But yeah, facebook censors conservative stuff and uses liberal propaganda.

Well, I personally believe one can be a Christian and actually have rather liberal views on a number of issues. But I think it's like James said, you find out the truth about their faith in how they actually behave towards others. I enjoy healthy debate with someone with a good spirit about them and a sharp mind, even when we stand diametrically opposed on something.

It's just that more often than not what you get is exactly the opposite, LoL.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

If abortion were outlawed and the sanctity of life in the womb recieved full social acceptance, would there be a need for a pro life group?

I think so because the acceptance of the idea that the baby in the womb is expendable has led to the thinking that any human life is expendable (the slippery slope). Therefore, euthanasia of the old or disabled, those humans seen as a drain on society's resources, has become acceptable and is being legislated in various countries where Christian ethics (esp. the value of human life) used to rule.

Edit: Right-to-life groups typically defend all innocent life, not just the unborn.

 

[lforrest]

And HERE is the problem with associating oneself with a morally depraved man, whose personal behavior is the epitome of the seven deadly sins and whose personal life is a perfect example of Galatians 5:19-21. It is proper that this man be avoided by Christians, and all his sins exposed.



I believe both sides are equally guilty. I know I'm not the only person who thinks that a Christian who supports and defends a morally depraved man like Trump doesn't have an ounce of moral credibility to pompously judge Biden or other Democrats for their sinful and unethical behavior.

It is proper to forgive a believer their past sins, and to not dredge them up when it is convenient to use against them in an arguement. Ignoring Trumps past life what does he currently practice? I can't name one thing with any certainty.

 

[Seven of Nine]

You're very welcome! I never took anything you have posted as rude or harsh.
:)

Thank you for your response. I made a decision shortly after I joined this site not to directly respond to any negative or spiteful comments that were posted about me in the threads. I learned this lesson from personal experience on another social media site. It's much less stressful.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think we all should use wisdom and ask ourselves what is our intention for starting this thread. Is it to edify? Exhort? Instruct? Direct?

Absolutely. That's the other side of the coin that those who are looking for utopia don't fully realize yet. Sometimes a situation calls for correction and even open rebuke. That sort of thing is almost NEVER going to be taken well, but it has to be said sometimes nonetheless. So it is indeed about weighing out one's motives and objectives in advance, and exactly what one is hoping to accomplish.

Or is it simply to put our biased opinion out there for all to see? This would be vanity and pride to seek others approval of your thoughts.

Yes, and not just for starting a thread but for posting in general. I have times where I start writing out a response, and then think, "Nah... I think not," and erase the whole thing. If you are not prepared for backlash, you are asking for trouble. I think it has to do with being sensitive to the Spirit of God.

Now as far as prophesy...if the Holy Spirit leads you to share then you must be obedient. If He isn't then don't.
God Bless You Brother!:)

Thanks, LoL. I've come to appreciate the fact that the spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophets. Unless specifically commanded by the Lord, I don't have to share ZIP, LoL.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Well, I personally believe one can be a Christian and actually have rather liberal views on a number of issues. But I think it's like James said, you find out the truth about their faith in how they actually behave towards others. I enjoy healthy debate with someone with a good spirit about them and a sharp mind, even when we stand diametrically opposed on something.

It's just that more often than not what you get is exactly the opposite, LoL.

Yeah, in the sense of the bible, which supported kings, yes I could be a republican self made millionaire, or I could set up a socialist empire and care for everyone's needs equally. But what do the people want from the king? I think that is the question. Hey maybe there will be two heavens, a left and a right, and Jesus is on the right side of the throne, so I'll probably stay on the right, whichever side that actually represents. Considering Matthew 25, and specifically Matthew 25:34 it's probably people that care for others in love.

If we could just get a Christian in office that cares for the poor, and I think some would argue that Trump has done such.

 

[Grailhunter]

It is proper to forgive a believer their past sins, and to not dredge them up when it is convenient to use against them in an arguement. Ignoring Trumps past life what does he currently practice? I can't name one thing with any certainty.

Exactly right! Where would we be without forgiveness! But that does not mean that we should embrace evil or not address the sins in motion.
With the power of our Lord Jesus I have decided to hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

 

[Seven of Nine]

It is proper to forgive a believer their past sins, and to not dredge them up when it is convenient to use against them in an arguement. Ignoring Trumps past life what does he currently practice? I can't name one thing with any certainty.

That's not the point. As demonstrated in the link I posted, the point is that the evangelical witness of the Christians who associate with Trump has been severely damaged and these Christians are being called hypocrites. Many non-Christians are saying these Christians have abandoned their moral convictions and Christian principles in order to support Trump. It has not only damaged their witness and reputation, but it has also tainted the reputation and public image of Evangelical Christianity. In fact, Evangelical Christianity has been referred to as toxic Christianity because of it.

Many Christian Trump supporters want his past sins to be forgotten and never discussed, however, these same Christians are more than gleeful to point out Joe Biden's personal sins, with no sense of the moral inconsistency in their persistence to cast stones at Biden and other Democrats.

 

[Grailhunter]

People think that we should be all huggy kissy when addressing people with evil beliefs, people that support evil.
Christ is not that friendly to evil. If you disagree do a short review of the Book of Revelation.

As I have said before, is it love, is it compassion, is it the Christian way to pat the errant Christian on the back, and just watch him march into the lake of fire.....see ya...wouldn't want to be ya!

Confronting someone head on....shaking the tree....knocking on the noggin....can it save anybody?....who knows, but in the end we do not have to explain to Christ why we did not make it clear that they were sinning. Righteous judgment? You have to be careful....killing a baby....is there any question on the evil of that? 8 million murdered babies in the last ten years! I don't think that the English language has a word for something that evil. Hell on earth! The demons that do the work of Satan and support his cause! We are not talking about the opinions of having a cigarette and a beer with your barbecue here. This is cut and dry and the line is drawn and Christ is on our side.

Some people are willing to go that extra mile. Stand up against evil and not budge an inch!

 

[lforrest]

That's not the point. As demonstrated in the link I posted, the point is that the evangelical witness of the Christians who associate with Trump has been severely damaged and these Christians are being called hypocrites. Many non-Christians are saying these Christians have abandoned their moral convictions and Christian principles in order to support Trump. It has not only damaged their witness and reputation, but it has also tainted the reputation and public image of Evangelical Christianity. In fact, Evangelical Christianity has been referred to as toxic Christianity because of it.

Many Christian Trump supporters want his past sins to be forgotten and never discussed, however, these same Christians are more than gleeful to point out Joe Biden's personal sins, with no sense of the moral inconsistency in their persistence to cast stones at Biden and other Democrats.

Trump recently came to Christ, so his situation is different. We are also talking criminal vs moral issues. Justice should be done for criminal offences, the morality police have no legitimate authority. Past moral failings are between Trump, God, and anyone he personally sinned against.

Also being called a hypocrite by a bunch of hipocrites can be mathmaticly reduced to only the latter group being the hypocrites.

Hypocrites / (Hypocrites ^2) = 1 / Hypocrites

 

[Raccoon1010]

That's not the point. As demonstrated in the link I posted, the point is that the evangelical witness of the Christians who associate with Trump has been severely damaged and these Christians are being called hypocrites. Many non-Christians are saying these Christians have abandoned their moral convictions and Christian principles in order to support Trump. It has not only damaged their witness and reputation, but it has also tainted the reputation and public image of Evangelical Christianity. In fact, Evangelical Christianity has been referred to as toxic Christianity because of it.

Many Christian Trump supporters want his past sins to be forgotten and never discussed, however, these same Christians are more than gleeful to point out Joe Biden's personal sins, with no sense of the moral inconsistency in their persistence to cast stones at Biden and other Democrats.

I see how that could be offensive to Trump supporters, similar to calling democrats supportive of abortion. And the content of your argument is debatable. So then you're welcoming some argument, and perhaps triggering some heated debate.

 

[Nancy]

I'll have to take your word for it, but that's not what I've seen or have personally experienced on this site since I joined three weeks ago. I have 23 members currently on my ignore list because of either the way they have negatively interacted with me or they said something hateful about other people. I thought Christian Forums was a bad place for Christians, but CF seems tame in comparison. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.

The wheat MUST grow with the tares.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yeah, in the sense of the bible, which supported kings

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10So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.
11He said, “This will be the manner of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them to his own chariots and horses, to run in front of his chariots.
12He will appoint some for himself as commanders of thousands and of fifties, and others to plow his ground, to reap his harvest, to make his weapons of war, and to equip his chariots.
13And he will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers.
14He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his servants.
15He will take a tenth of your grain and grape harvest and give it to his officials and servants.
16And he will take your menservants and maidservants and your best cattleb and donkeys and put them to his own use.
17He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
18When that day comes, you will beg for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you on that day.”

a Christian in office

prolly an oxymoron wadr

 

[Prayer Warrior]

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10So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king.
11He said, “This will be the manner of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them to his own chariots and horses, to run in front of his chariots.
12He will appoint some for himself as commanders of thousands and of fifties, and others to plow his ground, to reap his harvest, to make his weapons of war, and to equip his chariots.
13And he will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers.
14He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his servants.
15He will take a tenth of your grain and grape harvest and give it to his officials and servants.
16And he will take your menservants and maidservants and your best cattleb and donkeys and put them to his own use.
17He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
18When that day comes, you will beg for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you on that day.”


prolly an oxymoron wadr

I'm convinced that God calls some Christians to run for office. I thank God for those who answer the call and stay true to His calling!