Why Is Western Christianity So Soft?

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Despite the false claims of leftist Fake News, Christianity is the single most persecuted group in the world - not women, not gays, not transgenders, blacks or browns...Christians. While there are good people doing a good job raising awareness of the plight of our global Christian family - such as Voice of the Martyrs, Open Doors, ACLJ - sadly, most Christians don't know what's going on a mere few feet beyond their own church parking lot. If we did, maybe we'd be far less easily offended, easily discouraged, and less likely to give up on God when the going gets tough as often is the case.

In far away lands, Christian women are raped and jailed, their children taken into custody, Christian men and pastors are imprisoned, tortured, killed, churches are targeted and firebombed, governments of pagan countries hostile toward Christianity offer little to no protection, and even far worse atrocities are widespread across the Christian world...but here in the West it's another story.

Here, we enjoy religious freedom. We enjoy the 1st Amendment which forbids state sponsored religion. We enjoy Section 8 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which guarantees workplace religious freedom. We enjoy 501(c)3 tax exempt status which allows billions to be put to use for the cause of God, but much of which is sadly pocketed by unscrupulous "preachers". Yet, in all this, many Christians live under the apprehension that their world will end at any moment. Their boyfriend will break up with them, their church may not re-elect them to that coveted position of leadership, they may be seen as kooky by their secular friends if they join a church, they may even face "difficulties" at home from an unbelieving spouse if they decide to follow Jesus, which often don't go beyond mild annoyance by their significant other. Western Christianity seems to be the weakest spiritually than anywhere else. As that comprehensive Willow Creek church study proved, the more money we throw at this ministry or that ministry, the lesser the positive outcome. Christian divorce is on the rise, children abandon their faith in college for atheistic evolution due to their indiferent "Christian" parents having failed to teach them the difference between Biblically accurate science and the false science of the atheistic scientific community, church attendance wanes, immorality/alcohol/drug/porn addiction is on the rise among believers - the wretchedness of Western Christianity seems to only grow worse and worse.

I think we need to go back to the beginning. We need to get back to our "first love" and "remember from whence thou hast fallen". We need to develop a thankful heart for what we have instead of resenting God for what we think we've be unjustly denied. What we need is a generous dose of persecution:

"The apostle Paul declares that 'all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.' Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber? The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition....It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the Word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world. Let there be a revival of faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled." The Great Controversy, 48.
 

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The Western Christianity is a false Christianity, that is why it is weak and soft. Far from the way our Master left it when He ascended into the clouds. Only took a few hundred years for it to fall to pieces largely due to Constantine mixing pagan ways to create a new religion. Not the one that was known as "The Way". Also adding to the delusion was many of the Early so called "Church Fathers" adding to and taking away from the inspired word of God. Which our Father gave instructions not to do, you know in the part to what was referred to as "the scriptures".

We have kicked the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel out the door and out of our societies, who is also known as the God of our Bibles both the so called New and Old testaments. The One who "Does Not Change". but No our clever doctrines of men and demons boldly proclaim that He does change. What a lie.

God does not care about your political amendments, He cares about His word and it being upheld and taught correctly, not by whatever a denomination holds as truth, no different to the traditions of the elders that our Master railed against continually. By the way the tradition of the elders is not from Gen - Malachi.

Think on these things and truly ask yourself if what your church teaches is actually in the Bible.

Shalom and Blessings
 

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Agreed fully @Phoneman.
The church of today, in the West has no resemblance to the church in the apostles days, and the early Christians that we call the "church fathers" is most likely something they would be insulted because yo them, the apostles were the early church fathers. Those like Polycarp, who discipled by John and others like Irenaeus, Origen and others.
Alexander of Clement was a very rich guy who actually sold ALL he had, gave it to the poor and followed Christ! He was eventually beheaded for his faith. Can you imagine anyone today that would do that?
Satan has the church right where he wants it, he is at the pulpit on many church's today IMHO. There seems no reverence for God anymore. Sad.
 

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Don't be myopic In the southerner USA we go to bible believing church's. Too many liberal church's that can't preach Hell is spreading in the last days. If the Holy Spirit tells me to go somewhere I go, period. I've been washed by the blood of Jesus Christ. I call out any liberal non sense that another Christian may question.
 
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The Western Christianity is a false Christianity, that is why it is weak and soft. Far from the way our Master left it when He ascended into the clouds. Only took a few hundred years for it to fall to pieces largely due to Constantine mixing pagan ways to create a new religion. Not the one that was known as "The Way". Also adding to the delusion was many of the Early so called "Church Fathers" adding to and taking away from the inspired word of God. Which our Father gave instructions not to do, you know in the part to what was referred to as "the scriptures".

We have kicked the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel out the door and out of our societies, who is also known as the God of our Bibles both the so called New and Old testaments. The One who "Does Not Change". but No our clever doctrines of men and demons boldly proclaim that He does change. What a lie.

God does not care about your political amendments, He cares about His word and it being upheld and taught correctly, not by whatever a denomination holds as truth, no different to the traditions of the elders that our Master railed against continually. By the way the tradition of the elders is not from Gen - Malachi.

Think on these things and truly ask yourself if what your church teaches is actually in the Bible.

Shalom and Blessings
That rant is what you call "shalom and blessings"? That is delusion!
 
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Agreed fully @Phoneman.
The church of today, in the West has no resemblance to the church in the apostles days, and the early Christians that we call the "church fathers" is most likely something they would be insulted because yo them, the apostles were the early church fathers. Those like Polycarp, who discipled by John and others like Irenaeus, Origen and others.
Alexander of Clement was a very rich guy who actually sold ALL he had, gave it to the poor and followed Christ! He was eventually beheaded for his faith. Can you imagine anyone today that would do that?
Satan has the church right where he wants it, he is at the pulpit on many church's today IMHO. There seems no reverence for God anymore. Sad.
You must be a fan of "amigo de christo". He posts the same condemnation of the body of Christ as you do.

How can you justify posting garbage like "Satan has the church right where he wants it, he is at the pulpit on many church's today IMHO. There seems no reverence for God anymore."
 

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You must be a fan of "amigo de christo". He posts the same condemnation of the body of Christ as you do.

How can you justify posting garbage like "Satan has the church right where he wants it, he is at the pulpit on many church's today IMHO. There seems no reverence for God anymore."
Do you not realize that Satan is still the god of this world?? He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA! And, BTW yes, I do love my brother Amigo, is he wrong? ;)
 

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Do you not realize that Satan is still the god of this world?? He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA! And, BTW yes, I do love my brother Amigo, is he wrong? ;)
Satan may be "the god of this world", but God -- 3 persons -- is the GOD of this world. Not everyone is under the direction of Satan. He does not run everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment., etc." That is absurd! There are many houses of worship, a.k.a., churches, that are filled every Sunday, poraising God and being taught from the Bible, there is Christian education, there are Christians in politics, there are corporations owned and managed by Christians, there is Christian entertainment, there are Christian publishing houses, and other forms of Christian media, etc.

You have a very warped view of society if you think that everything is controlled by Satan. And yes, you and "amigo" are wrong. You accuse everyone, including Christians, of immorality to make yourself seem righteous, but you're not fooling anyone. God loves the world; you hate the world.
 

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Satan may be "the god of this world", but God -- 3 persons -- is the GOD of this world. Not everyone is under the direction of Satan. He does not run everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment., etc." That is absurd! There are many houses of worship, a.k.a., churches, that are filled every Sunday, poraising God and being taught from the Bible, there is Christian education, there are Christians in politics, there are corporations owned and managed by Christians, there is Christian entertainment, there are Christian publishing houses, and other forms of Christian media, etc.

You have a very warped view of society if you think that everything is controlled by Satan. And yes, you and "amigo" are wrong. You accuse everyone, including Christians, of immorality to make yourself seem righteous, but you're not fooling anyone. God loves the world; you hate the world.
"You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."
 

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Do you not realize that Satan is still the god of this world?? He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA! And, BTW yes, I do love my brother Amigo, is he wrong? ;)
Satan may be "the god of this world", but God -- 3 persons -- is the GOD of this world. Not everyone is under the direction of Satan. He does not run everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment., etc." That is absurd! There is Christian education, there are Christians in politics, there are corporations owned and managed by Christians, there is Christian entertainment, there are Christian publishing houses, and other forms of Christian media.

You have a very warped view of society if you think that everything is controlled by Satan. And yes, you and "amigo" are wrong. You accuse everyone, including Christians, of immorality to make yourself seem righteous, but you're not fooling anyone. God loves the world; you hate the world.
"You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."
Interesting that you pull your judgmental words out of context.

James 4:1-10,"Those conflicts and disputes among you, where do they come from? Do they not come from your cravings that are at war within you? You want something and do not have it, so you commit murder. And you covet something and cannot obtain it, so you engage in disputes and conflicts. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly, in order to spend what you get on your pleasures. Adulterers![ Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. Or do you suppose that the scripture speaks to no purpose? Does the spirit that God caused to dwell in us desire envy? 6 But God gives all the more grace; therefore it says,

“God opposes the proud
but gives grace to the humble.”

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy into dejection. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you."

This is a positive message of hope, but you turn it a message of condemnation by extracting words out-of -context to falsely make it a message of judgment. Matthew 7:1-2, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.

John 3:16-17, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."
 
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Satan may be "the god of this world", but God -- 3 persons -- is the GOD of this world. Not everyone is under the direction of Satan. He does not run everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment., etc." That is absurd! There is Christian education, there are Christians in politics, there are corporations owned and managed by Christians, there is Christian entertainment, there are Christian publishing houses, and other forms of Christian media.

You have a very warped view of society if you think that everything is controlled by Satan. And yes, you and "amigo" are wrong. You accuse everyone, including Christians, of immorality to make yourself seem righteous, but you're not fooling anyone. God loves the world; you hate the world.

John 3:16-17, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. “Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."
So what, do you think your verse nullifies the one I quoted??! :rolleyes:
 

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So what, do you think your verse nullifies the one I quoted??! :rolleyes:
You wrote "Do you not realize that Satan is still the god of this world?? He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA!" What verse are you quoting? Certainly, not one from the Bible!

God loves the world that He created and wants all people to believe in His son's sacrifice and be saved.
 
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You wrote "Do you not realize that Satan is still the god of this world?? He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA!" What verse are you quoting? Certainly, not one from the Bible!

God loves the world that He created and wants all people to believe in His son's sacrifice and be saved.
Wrong! I quoted scripture: "You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."

And YOU simply came back with John 3:16-17
 

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How can you justify posting garbage like "Satan has the church right where he wants it, he is at the pulpit on many church's today IMHO. There seems no reverence for God anymore."
How can it be garbage when the reality is that Satan uses many things within this world, including the church. So, do you believe he has no influence !?
 

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How can it be garbage when the reality is that Satan uses many things within this world, including the church. So, do you believe he has no influence !?
Nice try at changing what you said earlier: He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA!".

You're claiming that Satan runs education (including Christian education?), politics (all politics?, huge corporations (but not small ones? LOL!), entertainment (including Christian entertainment?), and whatever is sent over the air waves? Seriously?

You are just spouting absurd generalizations. As I have said earlier, that practice is nothing but self-glorification! "Look how pure, holy, and righteous I am, everyone!" Everyone else in education, politics, the corporate world, entertainment is possessed by Satan, but I alone am pure and righteous!

Here are some of Jesus' words you might meditate on: "Come to me, all you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

Are to blind to see the difference in tone and meaning between Jesus' words of caring, love and forgiveness, and your condemnation of everyone but your righteous self?
 

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Wrong! I quoted scripture: "You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."

And YOU simply came back with John 3:16-17
If you're going to quote James in an attempt to justify your condemnation of others, why do you omit these verses? "Do not speak evil against one another, brothers and sisters. Whoever speaks evil against another or judges another speaks evil against the law and judges the law, but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor?" James 4;11-12

I guess they don't apply to you, right?
 

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Nice try at changing what you said earlier: He runs everything from education, politics, huge corporations, entertainment...there is also the name given to Satan: "Prince of the power of the air", that could cover outer space, air waves....MEDIA!".

You're claiming that Satan runs education (including Christian education?), politics (all politics?, huge corporations (but not small ones? LOL!), entertainment (including Christian entertainment?), and whatever is sent over the air waves? Seriously?

You are just spouting absurd generalizations. As I have said earlier, that practice is nothing but self-glorification! "Look how pure, holy, and righteous I am, everyone!" Everyone else in education, politics, the corporate world, entertainment is possessed by Satan, but I alone am pure and righteous!

Here are some of Jesus' words you might meditate on: "Come to me, all you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

Are to blind to see the difference in tone and meaning between Jesus' words of caring, love and forgiveness, and your condemnation of everyone but your righteous self?
I never said anything earlier - perhaps you need to check who you are quoting and actually re read what I actually asked. I said nothing about satan controlling, but asked you if you didn’t believe he was influencing things in this world !
 

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If you're going to quote James in an attempt to justify your condemnation of others, why do you omit these verses? "Do not speak evil against one another, brothers and sisters. Whoever speaks evil against another or judges another speaks evil against the law and judges the law, but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor?" James 4;11-12

I guess they don't apply to you, right?
Not being funny Jim, have you read some of your own responses to people here on the forum .
Just an observation !