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Circumcision did not make one a physical member of Israel. Being born a Jew or Israelite made one a physical member. Circumcision was before the law.
Stranger
Jesus IS Israel. Believers are his body. His resurrection raised us, his body, to sit in heavenly places with him as he rules the world (as God) with a rod of iron.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:” (Ephesians 1:3)
No, any not circumcised were excommunicated = gentiles.
“And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” (Genesis 17:14)
The subject was the physical kingdom. Which you deny. Thus I brought up the 'physical body' of Jesus Christ. Was it physical or not? Answer is yes. If His body is physical and we too will get our bodies back, physical, what makes you think the kingdom of God will not be physical also?
So, you see, you have answered nothing in your response. You dodged the question. What you are saying is true concerning the resurrection, but it doesn't speak to what we are talking about.
Your attempt to shift the discussion to something else will not work till you answer the question.
Stranger
There is no physical kingdom. And we are Christ's spiritual body. And we are raised a spiritual body in the resurrection.
That is the Abrahamic Covenant. Not the Mosaic Covenant. At this time there were no Jews or Israel. Ishmael was circumcised but he was never an Israelite. (Gen. 17:25)
Stranger
Yes I know that is what you keep saying. Which brings me back again to the question of Christ's resurrection. Was it physical or not? Is our resurrection physical or not?
Stranger
The Mosaic covenant included the Abraham covenant. God added it to control the wicked unbelievers until they served their purpose.
First, prove from Jesus and the Apostles the kingdom is physical. Christ's resurrection was physical but glorified in his assention. Just as ours will be in the resurrection.
First of all, what do you base this on. Scripture.
Second of all, you have it backwards. The Mosaic Covenant was brought into the Abrahamic Covenant.
Stranger
If you study the history of circumcision God required from Abraham, his entire 300+ household became his covenant seed through circumcision at a time when Ishmael was his only blood relative in the community.
Well, if Christ has a physical body, and we will have physical bodies, how can the kingdom not be physical. Note I have never said the kingdom is not spiritual. It is. It is both spiritual and physical.
That Christ has a physical body, and we have physical bodies proves the kingdom is physical.
Stranger
Yes, and the point being none of them were Israelites. Thus cirumcision does not make one a member of Israel. Does not make one a Jew. Which is what you are claiming.
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Do you assert this physical you speak of will be the same? His vesture (dipped in blood) is eternal and does not wax old nor change. Our garment is temporal to be folded up and changed in to the eternal. Same as Israel. He tells us not to look back but forward ...why all the focus on fighting to keep what perishes in face of the new?
Psalm 102:26-28
[26] They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: [27] But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. [28] The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.
1 Corinthians 13:7 KJV
[7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Hebrews 1:12
[12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
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Christ has a spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God/Heaven.
Which of the twelve tribes of Israel do you belong to?
And do you still insist that the Old Covenant is in force when Christ has brought the New Covenant into existence?
But if not, then kindly refrain from specious arguments.
Outward circumcision is null and void for all Christians.
ROMANS 2
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Yes I do. Except without sin. Do you disagree that our bodies will be resurrected? Our spirit is already made right and eternal. What is resurrected?
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