Why Jews were Made, not Born

[Episkopos]

Remember to give the Scripture reference when you make statements concerning a certain Scripture.

I never said the Church was not a priesthood also. It is. It just isn't the same body as Israel.

Stranger

Do you think there are 2 Holy Spirits?

 

[Stranger]

Do you think there are 2 Holy Spirits?

No.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

No.

Stranger

Are there 2 bodies of Christ?

 

[Stranger]

Are there 2 bodies of Christ?

No.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

No.

Stranger

So then the Israel of God are all those who overcome by faith....whether Jew or Gentile.

 

[Stranger]

So then the Israel of God are all those who overcome by faith....whether Jew or Gentile.

Who are you calling the Israel of God? Chapter and verse.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

Who are you calling the Israel of God? Chapter and verse.

Stranger

This requires a thread on it's own. I'll call it...the Israel of God. Care to join me?

 

[Stranger]

This requires a thread on it's own. I'll call it...the Israel of God. Care to join me?

Sure. I will wait for you to start it. I will get to it when I can.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Unbelieving Israel is not Israel. But believing Israel is Israel. And will be both physical and spiritual. Just as the Church will also be physical and spiritual. Just different bodies of believers.

Stranger

This assumes a physical kingdom of God on earth. This will never be. Jesus says his kingdom comes without observation, is not of this world, is eternal, not merely 1000 years long. And flesh and blood cannot enter it. And unless a person is born again, they cannot see it. Even though it has been here and in heaven since the first century.

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

 

[Dave L]

That is not the point. I want to see the one you are using.

Stranger

I use most all the standard works found in most theological libraries.

 

[Dave L]

Remember to give the Scripture reference when you make statements concerning a certain Scripture.

I never said the Church was not a priesthood also. It is. It just isn't the same body as Israel.

Stranger

Circumcision made one a physical member of Israel. When Christ abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel.

 

[Dave L]

That is false. There are things that are done properly....even without power from heaven. Can a person fix a car properly...and yet not do it by faith? Can a person save a man's life and not be a believer?

Have you learned nothing from the story of the good Samaritan? If we were to replace the word Samaritan...with Muslim...would you go into a religious snit? But that's EXACTLY what Jesus would do. He would challenge the religious smug superior ones in this way....as I'm doing to you.

Sinners can only sin. Even the good they do is sin until born again.

 

[Episkopos]

Sinners can only sin. Even the good they do is sin until born again.

This is from a self-righteous stance that seeks to judge others based on what you think you are. But you are sinning worse than the ones you accuse of sin. Jesus was more upset about the religious hypocrites and their iniquity in His time than the ones who were careless about sin in the physical sense.

You have stumbled over Christ, brother.

 

[Dave L]

This is from a self-righteous stance that seeks to judge others based on what you think you are. But you are sinning worse than the ones you accuse of sin. Jesus was more upset about the religious hypocrites and their iniquity in His time than the ones who were careless about sin in the physical sense.

You have stumbled over Christ, brother.

“An high look, and a proud heart, And the plowing of the wicked, is sin.” (Proverbs 21:4)

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)

 

[Episkopos]

“An high look, and a proud heart, And the plowing of the wicked, is sin.” (Proverbs 21:4)

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)

...that sin not. Of course not. But your understanding of righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees as you are doing exactly as they did. Quite remarkable really...

 

[Dave L]

...that sin not. Of course not. But your understanding of righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees as you are doing exactly as they did. Quite remarkable really...

The boy scout who helps the old lady cross the street seeks his own glory, not God's.

“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” (1 Corinthians 10:31)

 

[Episkopos]

The boy scout who helps the old lady cross the street seeks his own glory, not God's.

“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” (1 Corinthians 10:31)

You are a true cynic it would seem. But that is not the same as charity..that believes the best always. If your eye is full of light...you will be filled with love. But if your eye is dark...then everything is cynical and ugly.

Kind of like Westboro...or the Sanhedrin.

 

[Dave L]

You are a true cynic it would seem. But that is not the same as charity..that believes the best always. If your eye is full of light...you will be filled with love. But if your eye is dark...then everything is cynical and ugly.

Kind of like Westboro...or the Sanhedrin.

Good works are only good if done to glorify God.

 

[Episkopos]

Good works are only good if done to glorify God.

There are 2 main commandments...not just one. Glorifying God goes with the first commandments to love God.

But you deny the second commandment which is to love your neighbour as yourself. You can't do that because you have elevated yourself...and debased your neighbour.

There is no salvation for he that does not love his neighbour. That is the MINIMUM requirement called the royal law.

If you don't love the created being whom you see...you certainly don't love the Creator who created him in His own image.

 

[Dave L]

There are 2 main commandments...not just one. Glorifying God goes with the first commandments to love God.

But you deny the second commandment which is to love your neighbour as yourself. You can't do that because you have elevated yourself...and debased your neighbour.

There is no salvation for he that does not love his neighbour. That is the MINIMUM requirement called the royal law.

If you don't love the created being whom you see...you certainly don't love the Creator who created him in His own image.

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)
Are you saying this is not true?