Will believer's know the day?

[onfire4christ]

That's the quesiton, Will people know the day of His coming?Not according to this scripture.My question is this: Can believers living during the tribulation know the day Christ will return? Think about it. If the tribulation is seven years long, and if Christ will return at the end of the tribulation, then what prevents believers from knowing when Christ will return?
Mt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
If the day and hour cannot be known, doesn't that contradict any idea that believers during the tribulation can know the day? Well, maybe and maybe not. Let us examine all the evidence first before we jump to any conclusions.Would it surprise you if I told you that other Scriptures indicate that tribulation saints can know the day? Where are these missing pieces to the puzzle? How do they fit into the picture? Let's find out.

 

[onfire4christ]

Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."Week of Year"Some terms in this verse need defining. "Week" is agreed by many Bible scholars to mean "week of years" rather than a week of days. How do they know this? The Hebrew word translated "week" simply means "seven." It could refer to seven days, seven years, or seven anything. Now Genesis 29:27 is a case were the word obviously refers to seven years, because Jacob served one "week" or seven years for Rachel. Likewise, in Daniel 9:27 the meaning "seven years" best fits the context. Abomination of Desolation what is that? will cover that next.

 

[Christina]

The time has been shortened less none survive and for the elects sakeMatthew 24 Mark 13 to name a couple we are to know the season not the day not even Christ knew the day or hour only his father in heaven so we are left knowing the season which is given in the parable of the fig tree....see link http://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...t713.html?t=713

 

[Broken Crusader]

Kriss, I read your post about the end times and the parable of the fig tree. I am quite impressed, however, I would like to offer a twist.My best friend, more like my brother, is an Orthodox Jew. We often get into the subject of Israel. In Israel, there are many schools of thought on the subject of statehood. Some agree with you, Israel is a state, as created in 1948. However, many Orthodox Jews say, Israel will only be a state when the Temple is re-built. There is a third group, and this list is by no means exhaustive, that believes that since there are too many fragmented factions of Jews in Israel, that they do not even deserve a state at all. Mind you none of these schools of though negate what you offer in terms of the present existance of Israel. And given there is a drive in Israel to build the "Third Temple", maybe Jesus is coming sooner than we think. Because the real Third Temple is only to be built when the Messiah returns according to the Jews. I guess we'll see.

 

[HammerStone]

Will believers know the day? Sure. It's written right there in front of us in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 in its shortest form and plenty of other information can be found in the blessed books of Revelation, Daniel, Thessalonians, Corinthians, and Ezekiel amongst several others. Matthew 24:4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. If everyone will walk away from me taking one thing away, it's that I wish everyone would know these particular verses by heart in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Mark 13:23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Not some, not a few or couple, but all things. We'll know the day when it comes, but not until then, as Jesus said. He has given us the signs so that we'll know when it arrives, and even the events leading up to it, but not until then.

 

[Christina]

BrokenCrusaderI read and study much of Jewish belief and culture I believe they have much to offer the Christian faith but that goes the other way also Christians have much that they could offer Jews I find to fully understand scripture you need to have some degree of understanding of both. Unfortunately I find that there is just as many mislead Jews as there are mislead Christians. I believe Jews and Christians are two halves of the perfect whole that will be united in perfect perfection at the coming of the Lord

 

[Jenn4God]

Sure the Bible says 7 years...but seriously, do you think anyone will be marking the days off on their calendar with all that will be going on in those 7 years? And also, where does it say that it will be EXACTLY 7 years? Who's to say it won't be 7 years and 5 days? Like now I am 27 years and 178 days old but do I say that when people ask how old I am? NO. I simply say I am 27. I could be right I could be wrong, this is just how I see it.

 

[HammerStone]

A very fair statement Jenn. Another thing I would like to point out are the various intepretations of the time itself since God states that time is shortened for the elect's sake. I stay very far away from anyone who says that they can tell me the hour.

 

[Jenn4God]

(SwampFox;4289)
I stay very far away from anyone who says that they can tell me the hour.
Excellent advice!

 

[Jenn4God]

The bible says even the angels in heaven are unaware of the date and time:angel1: , only our Father in heaven knows the TIME and DATE...all the pieces are in place except for the rebuilding of the Jewish temple, where the dome of the mosque is located at present ...Rumor has it the Jews have already rebuilt it in a warehouse, and are WAITING for the opportunity to put it in its RIGHTFUL HOLY place, as prophesied...:bible: DOING IT FOR GOD HOLYWARRIOR :cool: P.S. I AM JENN'S HUSBAND

 

[servant_of_the_end]

As Kriss quoted the days would be shortened. We also have the testimony of our Lord who said no man knows the day or the hour except our Father in heaven. I believe that is enough to say no to your question. However we are not in the darkness but in the light and as children of light we know, and can confirm the hour approaches since we can cleary see the signs that herald its day.

 

[n2thelight]

As of now we can't no the Day but as others have said in the posts,we are to know the season,which we are in that season now.With that said we will be able to know the Day at the death of the two witnessesRevelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit [breath] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."Revelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."(Just to go off topic for a second, do you all know who the 7000 are thats killed at this time?)These are the fallen angelsRevelation 11:14 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."So as you can see,within the hour after the two witnesses rise Christ shall return

 

[snaggs]

O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

[Christina]

So as you can see,within the hour after the two witnesses rise Christ shall return

The thing you have to remember here is God's time is not the same as our time 1000 years to man is as a day to the Lord so one hour is not nessarily one hour in mans time. If my memory serves (which doesn't always hold true)I believe one hour is equal to five months if I'm wrong about the 5 mo. I am sure someone will be kind enough to correct me. However it is not 60 minutes

 

[n2thelight]

Hello KrissI do understand as well as agree with you that our time is not God's time,and that 1 day with man is as a thousand yrs with the Lord,however in the afore mentioned verses I lean towards that being mans time.I compare the 3 days lying in the street to the 3 days before Christ rose after His crucifiction,which I think we can agree that it was mans time,ie a literal 3 days(72 man hours).In my opinion I think we start on the Lord's time at the beginning of the millennium, Lord's Day=1000 yrs

 

[Christina]

In my opinion I think we start on the Lord's time at the beginning of the millennium, Lord's Day=1000 yrs

Do not agree with you on the above but will discuss that another day on a different threadbut I do agree that the two witness in the street must be three of mans days so I'll give you that you may be right about the hour being a literal mans hour for now

I'm not entirley convinced yet but you make a good argument

 

[n2thelight]

Here's another way that I see thisI feel that from the time that God formed Adam,until Christ returns will be in 6 days God's time or 6000 years mans time with the 7th day being the Day of the Lord,and I think we are nearing that now.If you can get timeline chart from then until now and see how many years have already past.

 

[SilentFlight]

What happens to the people that are waiting already? That have died physically?

 

[jessioverbey]

ok if it's 7 years, then so seven years from now? or when? i've seen a few "7 years" and, so i would like to know (i just turned 27 myself), so by the time i'm 34 the "day" will be here? or has it already been 7 years? my dad is a minister and i could ask him this question ( and i may still, to see what his answer is), but i want to ask it here first. to get ya'll's answer or take on this. just a thought i have. - jessica

 

[Christina]

I think You and I are basically agreeing N2 it was snaggs that I was disagreeing with or misunderstaning what he was saying. Sorry if I confused the posts or misunderstood you snaggs.There was the week of creation 7000 years (On the 7th day He Rested) (a day with Lord is a thousand years). Then there is the current week 6000 years of man the 7th day of the current week belongs to God The Lords Day and starts the first day of the Millenium (1000 years).note: there is a difference between a day with the lord (being a thousand years) and The Lords Day being a title of a day