Will there be or is there a need for a future Messianic temple age?

[Marty fox]

Will there be or is there a need for a future Messianic temple age?

What is the Jewish belief in Moshiach or the messiah?

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

All the nations of the world will recognize Moshiach to be a world leader, and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine, and, in general, a high standard of living.

All mankind will worship one God, and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

The coming of Moshiach will complete God’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for God in the lower worlds—that is, to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

Christians already know that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah but why was He rejected? .

There are two reasons why the Jews didn’t accept Jesus as the messiah one being that they expected the messiah to deliver them from human bondage and rule of Rome and set up a physical messianic temple kingdom in Jerusalem but what exactly is the messianic temple age or kingdom?

In Abrahamic religions , the Messianic Age is the future period of time on Earth in which the messiah will reign and bring universal peace and brotherhood
, without any evil . Many believe that there will be such an age; some refer to it as the consummate " kingdom of God " or the " world to come ".

The other reason the Jews rejected Jesus is because He claimed to be God. The Jews don’t believe that the messiah is God thus they didn't realize that the messiah and God are one. The Jews are not looking for the messiah to deliver them from their sins only to deliver them from human rule and bondage and set up the messianic kingdom but what Jesus did was far greater He being God paid the price by His sacrifice on the cross and saved them from their sins.

It wasn’t a blasphemy to claim to be the messiah in Jesus’ day but it was blasphemy to claim to be God and this is the reason that the Pharisees sentenced Jesus to death when He claimed to be the Son of man from Daniel 7:13-14 during His trial thus claiming that He and the Father are one.

If Jesus already fulfilled the purpose for the sacrificial temple age through the cross is there really a need for a future messianic sacrificial temple age?

Why would God still impose a messianic temple age which only pointed to Jesus if Jesus already fulfilled its purpose?

This is the reason why I don't believe in a future messianic thousand year temple age or even a future third temple as there is no need or purpose for it and it would only push the non believing Jews further away from Jesus.

Thus we are reigning with inner peace with Jesus now.

 

[Timtofly]

Will there be or is there a need for a future Messianic temple age?

What is the Jewish belief in Moshiach or the messiah?

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

All the nations of the world will recognize Moshiach to be a world leader, and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine, and, in general, a high standard of living.

All mankind will worship one God, and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

The coming of Moshiach will complete God’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for God in the lower worlds—that is, to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

Christians already know that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah but why was He rejected? .

There are two reasons why the Jews didn’t accept Jesus as the messiah one being that they expected the messiah to deliver them from human bondage and rule of Rome and set up a physical messianic temple kingdom in Jerusalem but what exactly is the messianic temple age or kingdom?

In Abrahamic religions , the Messianic Age is the future period of time on Earth in which the messiah will reign and bring universal peace and brotherhood
, without any evil . Many believe that there will be such an age; some refer to it as the consummate " kingdom of God " or the " world to come ".

The other reason the Jews rejected Jesus is because He claimed to be God. The Jews don’t believe that the messiah is God thus they didn't realize that the messiah and God are one. The Jews are not looking for the messiah to deliver them from their sins only to deliver them from human rule and bondage and set up the messianic kingdom but what Jesus did was far greater He being God paid the price by His sacrifice on the cross and saved them from their sins.

It wasn’t a blasphemy to claim to be the messiah in Jesus’ day but it was blasphemy to claim to be God and this is the reason that the Pharisees sentenced Jesus to death when He claimed to be the Son of man from Daniel 7:13-14 during His trial thus claiming that He and the Father are one.

If Jesus already fulfilled the purpose for the sacrificial temple age through the cross is there really a need for a future messianic sacrificial temple age?

Why would God still impose a messianic temple age which only pointed to Jesus if Jesus already fulfilled its purpose?

This is the reason why I don't believe in a future messianic thousand year temple age or even a future third temple as there is no need or purpose for it and it would only push the non believing Jews further away from Jesus.

Thus we are reigning with inner peace with Jesus now.

You might want to avoid Paradise as well. There is a temple there also. Might get boring for you:

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

 

[Keraz]

Of course there will be a Millennium reign of King Jesus. He Returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Rev 19:10
King over what? If the end of the world happens then.
No; the end is not when Jesus Returns and His reign is His reward, as stated many times. Psalms 2, Zechariah 14:16-17, +

 

[Marty fox]

You might want to avoid Paradise as well. There is a temple there also. Might get boring for you:

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

That's in the current heaven there is no temple in the new paradise heaven

Revelation 21:22
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple

 

[Curtis]

There’s not only a thousand years of Jesus literally reigning the nations on the earth, with a rod of iron, while Satan is bound in chains, during which there will be peace on the earth, but that rule never ends, even after the thousand years are over.

Per Zechariah 14 and Revelation 21, the city New Jerusalem comes down and lands in Jerusalem- possibly landing in the huge chasm Jesus opens in the middle of mount Olive - and God and Jesus dwell there on the earth, forever.

No, Zechariah 14 doesn’t mention the new Jerusalem coming to earth, but does show that God will dwell in Jerusalem forever, and the nations will come into the city to worship

 

[Curtis]

That's in the current heaven there is no temple in the new paradise heaven

Revelation 21:22
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple

See my reply in comment #5

 

[Marty fox]

There’s not only a thousand years of Jesus literally reigning the nations on the earth, with a rod of iron, while Satan is bound in chains, during which there will be peace on the earth, but that rule never ends, even after the thousand years are over.

Per Zechariah 14 and Revelation 21, the city New Jerusalem comes down and lands in Jerusalem- possibly landing in the huge chasm Jesus opens in the middle of mount Olive - and God and Jesus dwell there on the earth, forever.

No, Zechariah 14 doesn’t mention the new Jerusalem coming to earth, but does show that God will dwell in Jerusalem forever, and the nations will come into the city to worship

What's missing in revelation 20 is

Peace on the earth

Jesus on the earth

The reign is on the earth

A rod of iron

Peace because satan in bound

The new Jerusalem can't land in Jerusalem because that would be be burned up and gone and there will be a new earth. Also if yo unotice the binding ends before the reigning

 

[Curtis]

This is the reason why I don't believe in a future messianic thousand year temple age or even a future third temple as there is no need or purpose for it and it would only push the non believing Jews further away from Jesus.

There’s plenty of need for a thousand year reign of Jesus, during which Satan is bound, and there will be peace on earth without wars, without evil, etc.

Satan lied about God so successfully that 1/3 of the angels turned against Him, and fell..

On earth, Satan lied about God again, and all of mankind fell.

So now Satan has been god of this world for 4,000 years, because Adam transferred his dominion over the world given him by God - and Satan has caused nothing but evil, hate, wars, misery, and suffering for that entire length of time.

The millennial reign of Jesus while Satan is bound, will demonstrate to all creation, (including the angels who didn’t fall, but are aware of all the lies and accusations made by Satan against God),
the stark difference between Satan ruling the earth, and Jesus ruling the earth.

Thus before Satan’s final judgment and condemnation into the lake of fire for eternity, there will be no doubt amongst any of Gods creation that his condemnation is just, and that he’s a vile and completely evil liar.

And Satan confirms this when he’s released from the bottomless pit, and immediately deceives the world again and forms a huge army to attack, and attempt to destroy the city Jesus is ruling from.

Also, the early church such as Barnabas taught the sabbath-millennium doctrine - that the reason God took six days for creation, then rested on the 7th - was as a foreshadow of there being six thousand years - or days, (see Peters explanation about the coming of Jesus, and a thousand years being as a day) - from Adam to the return of Jesus, with the millennial reign of Jesus being the 7th day, aka Gods rest for His people.

A thousand year rest from evil hate, wars, and suffering.

This future day of rest for Gods people seems to be alluded to in Hebrews 4, BTW.

 

[Curtis]

What's missing in revelation 20 is

Peace on the earth

Jesus on the earth

The reign is on the earth

A rod of iron

Peace because satan in bound

The new Jerusalem can't land in Jerusalem because that would be be burned up and gone and there will be a new earth. Also if yo unotice the binding ends before the reigning

The earth is never completely destroyed, it’s cleansed by fire, then restored to edenic condition, to as-new condition. The earth was also destroyed by water, but it’s not a different planet.

Check out some scholarship sometime, on the meaning of being destroyed by fire and a new earth.

The world never literally ends:

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

sa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you think Jesus rules the world with a rod of Iron, and we reign and rule on the earth with Him, but He’ll allow evil, and wars during that time?

Rev 19:15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

We will rule on the earth as kings, not rule from heaven - and will reign with Jesus.

Rev 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years

Those two scriptures establish the fact that the reign of Jesus will be on the earth.

Scholarship on the millennial reign:

The early church until Augustine almost universally believed in an earthly, historical reign of Jesus, initiated by His return. Tyconius (in the late 300’s) was the first to influentially champion a spiritualized interpretation, saying that this Millennium is now (amillennialism) and must be understood as a spiritual reign of Jesus, not a literal reign. His view was adopted by Augustine, the Roman Catholic Church and most Reformation theologians.

But there is no need to say that Satan is only bound in a spiritual sense, and Jesus only rules in a spiritual sense. When we consider the rest of the Scriptures, the earthly reign of Christ and His people on this earth is plainly taught in the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, we see it Psalms 72, Isa 2:2-4, Isa 11:4-9, Jer 23:5-6, and many, many more passages. In the New Testament we see it in Luk 1:32-33, Mat 5:18, Luk 19:12-27, among other passages.

All in all, there are more than 400 verses in more than 20 different passages in the Old Testament which deal with this time when Jesus Christ rules and reigns personally over planet earth.

During the Millennium, the citizens of earth will acknowledge and submit to the Lordship of Jesus. It will be a time of perfectly administrated enforced righteousness on this earth. (Isa 2:1-5)

iii. During the Millennium, there will be no more war. There will still be conflicts between nations and individuals, but they will be justly and decisively resolved by the Messiah and those who reign with Him. (Isa 2:1-5) It isn’t the reign of the Messiah itself that will change the heart of man. Citizens of earth will still need to trust in Jesus and His work on their behalf for their personal salvation during the millennium. But war and armed conflict will not be tolerated.

End of quote.

Here’s one millennial reign passage:

Isa 2:2 It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it,

Isa 2:3 and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isa 2:4 He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.

 

[Marty fox]

The earth is never completely destroyed, it’s cleansed by fire, then restored to edenic condition, to as-new condition. The earth was also destroyed by water, but it’s not a different planet.

Check out some scholarship sometime, on the meaning of being destroyed by fire and a new earth.

The world never literally ends:

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

sa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you think Jesus rules the world with a rod of Iron, and we reign and rule on the earth with Him, but He’ll allow evil, and wars during that time?

Rev 19:15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

We will rule on the earth as kings, not rule from heaven - and will reign with Jesus.

Rev 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years

Those two scriptures establish the fact that the reign of Jesus will be on the earth.

Scholarship on the millennial reign:

The early church until Augustine almost universally believed in an earthly, historical reign of Jesus, initiated by His return. Tyconius (in the late 300’s) was the first to influentially champion a spiritualized interpretation, saying that this Millennium is now (amillennialism) and must be understood as a spiritual reign of Jesus, not a literal reign. His view was adopted by Augustine, the Roman Catholic Church and most Reformation theologians.

But there is no need to say that Satan is only bound in a spiritual sense, and Jesus only rules in a spiritual sense. When we consider the rest of the Scriptures, the earthly reign of Christ and His people on this earth is plainly taught in the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, we see it Psalms 72, Isa 2:2-4, Isa 11:4-9, Jer 23:5-6, and many, many more passages. In the New Testament we see it in Luk 1:32-33, Mat 5:18, Luk 19:12-27, among other passages.

All in all, there are more than 400 verses in more than 20 different passages in the Old Testament which deal with this time when Jesus Christ rules and reigns personally over planet earth.

During the Millennium, the citizens of earth will acknowledge and submit to the Lordship of Jesus. It will be a time of perfectly administrated enforced righteousness on this earth. (Isa 2:1-5)

iii. During the Millennium, there will be no more war. There will still be conflicts between nations and individuals, but they will be justly and decisively resolved by the Messiah and those who reign with Him. (Isa 2:1-5) It isn’t the reign of the Messiah itself that will change the heart of man. Citizens of earth will still need to trust in Jesus and His work on their behalf for their personal salvation during the millennium. But war and armed conflict will not be tolerated.

End of quote.

Here’s one millennial reign passage:

Isa 2:2 It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it,

Isa 2:3 and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isa 2:4 He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.

Revelation 20:11
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

Yes the earth that we are on will be no more. When it says the world it doesn’t mean the actual earth it’s the world as in the people and life


I believe that we reign in life and death now on earth and in heaven with Jesus spiritually. Jesus is king now and the ruler of all of Gods creation

Revelation 3:14
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

 

[Curtis]

Revelation 20:11
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

Yes the earth that we are on will be no more. When it says the world it doesn’t mean the actual earth it’s the world as in the people and life

I believe that we reign in life and death now on earth and in heaven with Jesus spiritually. Jesus is king now and the ruler of all of Gods creation

Revelation 3:14
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

Revelation 20:11 seems to be poetical or metaphorical, else how can the sea give up its dead in verse 13, if the earth and seas had already been destroyed in verse 11?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,

Albert Barnes:

The earth and the heaven fled away - That is, as the stars, at the rising of the sun, seem to flee to more remote regions, and vanish from human view, so when the Son of God shall descend in his glory to judge the world, the earth and all other worlds shall seem to vanish. Every one must admire the sublimity of this image; no one can contemplate it without being awed by the majesty and glory of the final Judge of mankind. Similar expressions, where the natural creation shrinks back with awe at the presence of God, frequently occur in the Bible. Compare Psa 18:7-15; Psa 77:16-19; Psa 114:3-5; Hab 3:6, Hab 3:10-11.

And there was found no place for them - They seemed to flee “entirely away,” as if there was “no” place where they could find a safe retreat, or which would receive and shelter them in their flight. The image expresses, in the most emphatic manner, the idea that they entirely disappeared, and no language could more sublimely represent the majesty of the Judge.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:11 seems to be poetical or metaphorical, else how can the sea give up its dead in verse 13, if the earth and seas had already been destroyed in verse 11?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,

Albert Barnes:

The earth and the heaven fled away - That is, as the stars, at the rising of the sun, seem to flee to more remote regions, and vanish from human view, so when the Son of God shall descend in his glory to judge the world, the earth and all other worlds shall seem to vanish. Every one must admire the sublimity of this image; no one can contemplate it without being awed by the majesty and glory of the final Judge of mankind. Similar expressions, where the natural creation shrinks back with awe at the presence of God, frequently occur in the Bible. Compare Psa 18:7-15; Psa 77:16-19; Psa 114:3-5; Hab 3:6, Hab 3:10-11.

And there was found no place for them - They seemed to flee “entirely away,” as if there was “no” place where they could find a safe retreat, or which would receive and shelter them in their flight. The image expresses, in the most emphatic manner, the idea that they entirely disappeared, and no language could more sublimely represent the majesty of the Judge.

That’s what I think about most of revelation metaphorical like the sword of Jesus mouth which is actually His word which is all powerful. The same about millennial reign as Jesus did say that He is the rule of all of Gods creation now.

Thanks

 

[michaelvpardo]

If Jesus already fulfilled the purpose for the sacrificial temple age through the cross is there really a need for a future messianic sacrificial temple age?

Why would God still impose a messianic temple age which only pointed to Jesus if Jesus already fulfilled its purpose?

The Lord has been teaching me about this very thing.
Jesus taught that we would be judged according to our standard of judgment, mercy for mercy, unforgiveness for unforgiveness, and grace for grace. How would God judge those under the law, who judged by the law? How would God judge the Levitical priests who served as judges in Israel? How would God judge the heavenly host? How would God judge those hosts of spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places? Read those passages about the day of God's judgement and what do they say about the heavenly host?
Chapter 14 of the book of Zechariah proves that there will be a surviving remnant of the nations in the millenial kingdom and there are other passages in the prophets about the inheritance of the nations, including those who were cursed and will be forgotten. There will be living, breathing human beings on Earth during the millennium and they can't be saved by faith in the gospel after Jesus returns in glory. Every eye will see Him and that which is seen is not of faith.
Consequently there must be another ministry, the ministry of the everlasting gospel preached at the end of the "church age". The glorified church will minister it, we've already benefited from it.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

There are two reasons why the Jews didn’t accept Jesus ...

Those are two blind responses to fheir beliefs about Jesus that I agree with.
However, the spiritual reason they rejected Jesus is revealed in Romans 11. They were blinded for our sake, so that the Gentile world could be grafted in.
Of a person is blind, there is absolutely nothing they can do to enable themselves to see. Most of them have been blinded to this day - for a purpose. The blindness of a remnant population of Jews (1/3) will be removed during the Great Tribulation when the two witnesses are sent for 1260 days to evangelize the Jews, just prior to Christ's return. Those who still have not believed, will _ when they see Him descend from Heaven AS HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN.

If Jesus already fulfilled the purpose for the sacrificial temple age through the cross is there really a need for a future messianic sacrificial temple age?
Why would God still impose a messianic temple age which only pointed to Jesus if Jesus already fulfilled its purpose?

This is the problem I see too. I agree? a TEMPLE would be an abomination to God, continued denial of Jesus and our spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. This would be counterproductive for God during a time when He will be lifting their veils and enlightening them. Of course man has often been counterproductive to God's plan. A TEMPLE would certainly necessitate a counter move by God - the two witnesses who would oppose such a thing. But this idea that the Antichrist stands in a holy place and balsphemeds God ...
STOP RIGHT THERE. A Jewish Temple would not be a holy place!

 

[Keraz]

A Jewish Temple would not be a holy place!

But the new Temple WILL be God's Temple. Paul says so; 2 Thessalonians 2:4....the Adversary enthrones himself in God's Temple, claiming to be God.
Also, Ezekiel 43:1-4 proves it. A Temple will be built by the holy people of God, His faithful Christians, as they all live in the holy Land. Haggai 2:7-9

 

[Marty fox]

The Lord has been teaching me about this very thing.
Jesus taught that we would be judged according to our standard of judgment, mercy for mercy, unforgiveness for unforgiveness, and grace for grace. How would God judge those under the law, who judged by the law? How would God judge the Levitical priests who served as judges in Israel? How would God judge the heavenly host? How would God judge those hosts of spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places? Read those passages about the day of God's judgement and what do they say about the heavenly host?
Chapter 14 of the book of Zechariah proves that there will be a surviving remnant of the nations in the millenial kingdom and there are other passages in the prophets about the inheritance of the nations, including those who were cursed and will be forgotten. There will be living, breathing human beings on Earth during the millennium and they can't be saved by faith in the gospel after Jesus returns in glory. Every eye will see Him and that which is seen is not of faith.
Consequently there must be another ministry, the ministry of the everlasting gospel preached at the end of the "church age". The glorified church will minister it, we've already benefited from it.

Everyone is saved by grace through faith we all all only saved through Jesus before and after the cross.
Nobody comes to the father without going through Jesus.

Yes people will be on the earth during the millennium because we are in it now but Jesus is clear when He returns it is the judgement day

 

[Marty fox]

Those are two blind responses to fheir beliefs about Jesus that I agree with.
However, the spiritual reason they rejected Jesus is revealed in Romans 11. They were blinded for our sake, so that the Gentile world could be grafted in.
Of a person is blind, there is absolutely nothing they can do to enable themselves to see. Most of them have been blinded to this day - for a purpose. The blindness of a remnant population of Jews (1/3) will be removed during the Great Tribulation when the two witnesses are sent for 1260 days to evangelize the Jews, just prior to Christ's return. Those who still have not believed, will _ when they see Him descend from Heaven AS HE ASCENDED TO HEAVEN.



This is the problem I see too. I agree? a TEMPLE would be an abomination to God, continued denial of Jesus and our spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. This would be counterproductive for God during a time when He will be lifting their veils and enlightening them. Of course man has often been counterproductive to God's plan. A TEMPLE would certainly necessitate a counter move by God - the two witnesses who would oppose such a thing. But this idea that the Antichrist stands in a holy place and balsphemeds God ...
STOP RIGHT THERE. A Jewish Temple would not be a holy place!

Thanks I agree with your bottom paragraph but not your top paragraph.

God wills everyone to be saved when He blinds people it means that He stops calling them and allows them to carry on in their denial. God didn’t make them stop believing and they can still choose to believe as many Jews did back in those days. Jesus turned to the gentiles due to Israel’s disbelief it was their choice

 

[michaelvpardo]

Everyone is saved by grace through faith we all all only saved through Jesus before and after the cross.
Nobody comes to the father without going through Jesus.

Yes people will be on the earth during the millennium because we are in it now but Jesus is clear when He returns it is the judgement day

Yes and no. When Jesus returns it's with the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just. The second resurrection is the resurrection of everyone else. You find this in the book of the Revelation, not clouded in parable or metaphor, but plainly stated:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5
There are 2 resurrections, one of the just and those that are His at His return, and the second of all humanity, all that draws breath. Those that are His at the 1st judgment will not be harmed by the second death at the second judgment.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6
The 1st resurrection is a judgment of separation between the sheep and the goats. In the old Testament the Lord actually speaks in the same manner about His people describing a judgment between His fat sheep and His lean sheep (and he makes the fat to become lean.)
Two passages in the New Testament refer to the judgment of the saints:
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10
And:
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:9-10
Now, these judgments are not to condemnation but one of rewards, and we should be able to deduce this from sound doctrine and reason just by what they say and the context of to whom they are given, but those who haven't received sound doctrine can confuse this judgement with the great White Throne judgment.
While I know that good scholarship is not the way of salvation, I am grateful to those who took the time and effort to learn the original languages. The judgement seat of Christ in those two verses, comes from the greek word Bema, something Paul's gentile audience would be familiar with.
The seat of the final judgment, at the 2nd resurrection is not the Bema seat:
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11
You need to be careful not to confuse the two, my friend. That will corrupt your understanding until you grasp Roman's 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
If you see the second part of the verse as a condition, you're going to stumble over the rock of offense, and that was never God's intention for His church. It isn't God's will that any should perish. He doesn't want just a few to be saved and the rest destroyed. People who see that have bad "eyes" (the eyes of our understanding) and fill themselves with dark thoughts. That's okay, God fixes our eyes and opens our understanding and He does this by His Spirit and through His word and His works through us. It's an awesome thing to be used by God to accomplish His works.
I hope that you can look into these things in scripture and chew on them a bit, because they are good and righteous and true. The Lord leaves no one where he finds them and He loves the world enough to have died for it in the person of His son:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Don't be deceived by people whose understanding is corrupted by poor vision and whose voices are full of "clanging brass", (judgments.) God is the judge of all creation and God's character is defined by His love. His judgment, in the final sense, is an "unusual act."

 

[michaelvpardo]

Thanks I agree with your bottom paragraph but not your top paragraph.

God wills everyone to be saved when He blinds people it means that He stops calling them and allows them to carry on in their denial. God didn’t make them stop believing and they can still choose to believe as many Jews did back in those days. Jesus turned to the gentiles due to Israel’s disbelief it was their choice

Was that true of Sodom when the angels visited Lot to deliver him from destruction? Just asking.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Of course there will be a Millennium reign of King Jesus. He Returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Rev 19:10
King over what? If the end of the world happens then.
No; the end is not when Jesus Returns and His reign is His reward, as stated many times. Psalms 2, Zechariah 14:16-17, +

Likewise if His saints are to live with Him as priests and judges, who are they mediating for and who do they judge?
Brother, there's just too many people drinking the wine and avoiding the bread. You just can't live on wine alone (but my grandfather lived on beer for the entire lenten season, an interesting way to fast, but I wouldn't recommend it.) What a hoot my dzedo was, but he did genuinely believe the Lord and produced the fruit of righteousness, though more in his latter years than his former. Understanding is a good thing, but God doesn't condemn people in their ignorance or blame them for receiving poor and carnal doctrine.
Like the polka, "In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here." Dzedo loved dancing and a few beers helped overcome his bursitis. The 180 proof moonshine, not so much.