Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)

[Behold]

I look forward to a GRAND reunion with them.

Your religion........that is based on your Gospel of Universalism.......denies that you have to be born again on earth.... as It omits this.. completely.

You might be interested to know that Aunte Jane's JW cult, also omits being born again, on earth.

So, that false Gospel...is going to prevent you from having what you are seeking, in Heaven.....if you are only of that Gospel. @St. SteVen ..........according to the word of Jesus or Paul.

 

[Grailhunter]

- What is heaven?

- Is that where we go when we die?

- Do unbelievers go to hell instead?

- Will there still be a heaven during the Millennium?

- Will there still be a heaven after the new heavens and earth are created?

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What about Sheol?

 

[Triumph1300]

When a Christian dies he/she is going to be with the Lord.
Call it heaven or paradise or whatever, I don't care what you call it.

 

[St. SteVen]

New Topic.

How does your life experience inform your theology and doctrines?

On another thread I made this observation: "I find it interesting that our life experience informs our theology and doctrines." The person I was speaking with had a completely different life experience than mine. And these experiences had shaped their theology and doctrines. Have you given...

www.christianityboard.com

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[Aunty Jane]

Your religion........that is based on your Gospel of Universalism.......denies that you have to be born again on earth.... as It omits this.. completely.

The fact that you believe that being “born again” is something that takes place “on earth”, tells me that you have no idea what it is, or what it means.

It isn’t some mystical personal experience…it is a supernatural transformation that happens upon resurrection…..necessary because mortal human beings cannot enter heaven….they have to be transformed into spirit beings to inhabit a spiritual realm…for some this is an awakening to new life in a new body (those who were “sleeping”)…..for others who are alive at Jesus manifestation, it will be an instantaneous ‘changing’ “in the twinkling of an eye”…..”the dead will be raised imperishable”….

Paul wrote….1 Cor 15:50-54…
”Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory.” (NASB)

See that? Paul’s words….and apparently he is speaking to you personally….LOL

You might be interested to know that Aunte Jane's JW cult, also omits being born again, on earth.

Now you know why I reject the idea. Those who receive “the heavenly calling“ (Heb 3:1) are chosen by God for a role in heaven…..you cannot volunteer for this role, and it is God who gives his elect a token or pledge in advance of their being taken up. Not all Christians need to be “born again”….only those chosen for a role in heaven ruling with Christ. (Rev 20:6) Those who will be their subjects on earth will be delighted with God’s choices for the best government human beings have ever had! (Rev 21:2-4)

Again Paul writes….from the NKJV….
”In Christ ye also trusted after ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, in Whom also after ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory.“ (Eph 1:13–14)

So, that false Gospel...is going to prevent you from having what you are seeking, in Heaven.....if you are only of that Gospel. @St. SteVen ..........according to the word of Jesus or Paul.

According to Jesus and Paul, you are sadly mistaken.

God never intended for any human to go to heaven, which is why he created us to live forever on earth (Gen 3:22-24)….Adam’s defection caused a detour, but we had the assurance right from the beginning that, what God starts, he finishes….(Isa 55:11)

The establishment of his Kingdom would bring God’s original purpose for the earth and mankind upon it to a successful completion. This is the big picture…and explains why God’s kingdom must “come” so that God’s will is “done ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN”…..we have been praying for it all this time….

If you are on the wrong platform, you will miss the train….

 

[quietthinker]

Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)​

hmmmm, I think the other place, like.....a hole in the ground!

 

[St. SteVen]

Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)​

hmmmm, I think the other place, like.....a hole in the ground!

I'm planning to go for a swim. (sort of)

https://soundcloud.com/user-426611522%2Fpoue-my-ashes Sorry, very old recording.

Title: Pour My Ashes
Track Time: 04:00 / BPM: 68

VS 1
Pour my ashes from the Narrows Bridge
Hear my bones splash in the water
Facing southwest -
see the breeze blow the fine dust
Gray clouds dancing in the sun

In the dead of winter -
I'll have darkness and silence
Summer's boats will hum up above
In time I'll find my way -
to rest below the birches -
in front of the home of my youth

I'll dream of watching - the sailing regatta
Colored sails against the sky so blue
And when the Lord returns -
I'll pull myself together -
to meet all the saints in the air

Copyright Steve Lundgren 2018
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After a relative passed away, the family sprinkled the ashes at the trunk and roots of a newly planted tree. We each were allowed to take a handful of ash to sprinkle or spread below the tree. This got me to thinking about what I might want done with my ashes. The lyrics of this song muse about my ashes being poured into the lake from a bridge near the home of my youth. So that I could find my way to rest below the birches in front of my childhood home. I imagine my conscious presence being with the ashes until the Lord returns when I pull myself together to meet the saints in the air. lol

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[Brakelite]

Neither.

 

[St. SteVen]

Neither.

How do you view the afterlife? (death)

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[St. SteVen]

Your religion........that is based on your Gospel of Universalism.......denies that you have to be born again on earth.... as It omits this.. completely.

You might be interested to know that Aunte Jane's JW cult, also omits being born again, on earth.

So, that false Gospel...is going to prevent you from having what you are seeking, in Heaven.....if you are only of that Gospel. @St. SteVen ..........according to the word of Jesus or Paul.

More lies and disinformation. Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

What about Sheol?

That's worthy of discussion.

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[Brakelite]

What is heaven?

The place of God throne, inside the sanctuary.

Is that where we go when we die?

No

Do unbelievers go to hell instead?

No

Will there still be a heaven during the Millennium?

Absolutely. That's where we'll be, until...

Will there still be a heaven after the new heavens and earth are created?

The meek inherit the earth. And you've answered your own question as to whether there is still a heaven after the new heavens... So yes, but God throne will no longer be there. The Father and Son, along with all the saints and angels, populate the new earth at the end of the millennium. They arrive at the same time, inside the new Jerusalem. The earth becomes the capital of the universe. I'm not kidding. The capital is where the king lives right?

 

[Brakelite]

How do you view the afterlife? (death)

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Sleep until the resurrection.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sleep until the resurrection.

Will you be able to dream? Or will it be more like unconscious nonexistence?

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[Behold]

The fact that you believe that being “born again” is something that takes place “on earth”, tells me that you have no idea what it is, or what it means.

The fact that you dont understand that when Jesus told you.....that......"you must be born again"... concludes that you have no idea how to become a Christian....

So, you now provided the members with the fact that you are not born again..

I knew this, and now they do..

See, this is the reason that you can't explain HOW a person becomes a Christian, as to become a Christian is to become born again., and that is why i kept asking you......as i needed you to prove that you're not born again.......and you have proven it.

So, YOUR CULT denies that you must be "born again"......as Jesus said., and that makes your denomination a Cross Rejecing, Heretical CULT, and you've just proven it, and because you never know when to stop trying to sell your Cult.....you'll. prove it again, @Aunty Jane .

 

[Behold]

More lies and disinformation. Thanks.

AuntyJane just told the Forum that you are not "born again" on Earth., as that is what the Jehovah's Witness CULT, teaches.

So, now i will ask you, and i'll keep asking you, till you answer.. these 2 (yes or no)....questions.

1.) Do you believe that a sinner has to be BORN AGAIN on this Earth, before they die.......to become a : CHRISTIAN ?

2.) Do you believe this is Necessary, or you wont go to Heaven after you die . ?

 

[St. SteVen]

AuntyJane just told the Forum that you are not "born again" on Earth., as that is what the Jehovah's Witness CULT, teaches.

Why do you call the JWs a cult?

So, now i will ask you, and i'll keep asking you, till you answer.. these 2 (yes or no)....questions.

You sound like a dirty lawyer/congressman/senator.

1.) Do you believe that a sinner has to be BORN AGAIN on this Earth, before they die.......to become a : CHRISTIAN ?

No.
Non-Islamic people in the Middle East are considered to be Christian.
Are they "born-again"?

2.) Do you believe this is Necessary, or you wont go to Heaven after you die . ?

No.
Some Christians on this forum believe that no one goes to heaven.
You need better questions. These look like:



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[Behold]

Why do you call the JWs a cult?

Their Theology is NT rejecting.
They have their own bible that is very cultic.
They do not believe that you become a Christian by being born again......... They believe that this is only related to becoming of of the 144,000 in the Trib.

You sound like a dirty lawyer/congressman/senator.

And you sound like someone who does not want to admit that you believe that you dont have to be born again on earth, to go to heaven.

This is why you are avoiding my Questions.

Non-Islamic people in the Middle East are considered to be Christian.
Are they "born-again"?

Everyone who is born again before they die....., is considered by God, to have become a : Christian.

Some Christians on this forum believe that no one goes to heaven.

Well, anyone can say they are a "Chrisitan".
Its meaningless on a "forum".. or in real life.
Do you not realize that the Devil's ministers will tell you that they are a "Christian"?

So, now i will ask you, and i'll keep asking you, till you answer.. these 2 (yes or no)....questions.

And keep in mind that the members are watching you as you keep avoiding these questions... @St. SteVen

1.) Do you believe that a sinner has to be BORN AGAIN on this Earth, before they die.......to become a : CHRISTIAN ?

2.) Do you believe this is Necessary, or you wont go to Heaven after you die . ?

 

[St. SteVen]

Everyone who is born again before they die....., is considered by God, to have become a : Christian.

Why do you think God cares at all about "Christianity"?
I think you are way off target.

And keep in mind that the members are watching you as you keep avoiding these questions... @St. SteVen

As far as I know, you are alone in your desire to destroy me.
Is that what you call "Christianity"?

Your posts still sound like a crooked lawyer.

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[St. SteVen]

1.) Do you believe that a sinner has to be BORN AGAIN on this Earth, before they die.......to become a : CHRISTIAN ?

Why do you put so much weight on becoming a Christian? Is that really the goal?

2.) Do you believe this is Necessary, or you wont go to Heaven after you die . ?

Don't you understand that everyone goes to hell?

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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