Wives submit to your husbands

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.




Here are the facts:

• 
  64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.
  
• 
  45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.
  
• 
  Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.
  

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherish, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. As for the woman, she is called to obey, trust, and have faith in her husband. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.




Here are the facts:

• 
  64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.
  
• 
  45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.
  
• 
  Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.
  

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherish, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. As for the woman, she is called to obey, trust, and have faith in her husband. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.




Here are the facts:

• 
  64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.
  
• 
  45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.
  
• 
  Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.
  

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherish, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. As for the woman, she is called to obey, trust, and have faith in her husband. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

A marriage is when the husband and wife are one and equal for all are equal in Christ Jesus. You put a woman as a servant rather than a partner. A feminist does the same thing. She puts the woman under the feet of the man.




Here are the facts:

• 
  64 percent of abortions involve some sort of coercion.
  
• 
  45 percent of men interviewed at abortion clinics recalled urging abortion, including 37 percent of married men.
  
• 
  Teens are at higher risk for becoming victims of coerced abortion.
  

http://www.mccl.org/forced-abortion.html

Here are more facts about abortion in America.

http://www.theunchoice.com/pdf/FactSheets/ForcedAbortions.pdf

A man is called to love, cherish, take care, and protect his wife. There is nothing loving about making a wife into a slave or a servant so that the man will always be happy. As for the woman, she is called to obey, trust, and have faith in her husband. A true marriage is when both are happy.....not when the husband is happy and the wife miserable and vice versa.

Did you have an abortion Selene? Or is it some one you know? Secondly, please provide some government stats as to the reason of abortion. Privately funded tends to skew the facts. There examples on the main page are not so much the norm but emotional hyperbole to get across their point. A 13 year old girl and a twenty yr old boy don't make up the sum of the facts.

Whenever anyone appeals through emotion and hyperbole, one already knows they have a hidden agenda, and ought not to be trusted.



My wife is such a slave, she has a degree in podiatry and works part-time. She is so enslaved we share ideas all the time and discuss and debate on day to day running of our family and all that entails. To top of her oppressive intolerable situation we even discuss biblical things and I've been enlightened by things she has said.

The bottom line though of this oppressive state of her's is that when all is said and done I'm the one that makes the final decision in matters of faith and other important things, but not without throwing it before her, to see her perspective on it.

Such is the state of my 'servant wife', whom I've been married for 16 years and we both can't tell where they all went.

 

[Selene]

As a Christian, you should know that internet statistics are unreliable. If I looked hard enough I'm sure I could find some internet statistics that contradict the ones you have just given me. Can you prove that these statistics are genuine? Any clever clogs can quote internet statistics. It proves nothing.

But, let's pretend that these statistics are genuine, which I highly doubt, at the end of the day it's the woman's body. Nobody is putting a gun to her head and forcing her to have an abortion. If a woman's boyfriend kept telling her to slit her daughter's throat and bury her in the backyard, do you seriously believe that any decent woman would obey him, and afterwards refuse to be called a murderer because her boyfriend pressured her into it? Sigh!

The husband is the head of his wife. I didn't say it. God said it. Those who do not obey God's commandments will be banished from the kingdom of heaven.

Those statistics are genuine. It's a woman's choice and nobody is putting a gun to her head?? That's exactly what the feminists say. They say it is the woman's choice and her right.....but the truth show otherwise. Here are all the news report of men who murdered their girlfriends who refused to have an abortion:

1. Man strangles woman for refusing to have an abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/05/03/man-kills-girlfriend-refusing-abortion-put-in-car-trunk/

2. Canadian man stabs girlfriend 53 times after she refuses abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/25/man-stabs-girlfriend-53-times-after-she-refuses-abortion/

3. Teenage girl in Seattle killed by boyfriend after refusing to get an abortion.

http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/12/girlfriend-and-daughter-killed-by.html

4. Man shot at ex-girlfriend for refusing to get an abortion.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/allentown/index.ssf/2012/09/allentown_man_shot_at_ex-girlf.html

The list goes on......Do you still think abortion is a woman's right?? Abortion is more about the rights of men. And men who misinterpret scripture to get women into being a subordinate rather than a partner in a marriage is no different than the feminists who have been supporting abortion and contraception.

 

[meshak]

The husband is the head of his wife. I didn't say it. God said it. Those who do not obey God's commandments will be banished from the kingdom of heaven.

If the husband is not in line with Jesus' word, the wife should not agree with him. Jesus is the head of all of us including men. No one should submit to disobedient.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

If the husband is not in line with Jesus' word, the wife should not agree with him. Jesus is the head of all of us including men. No one should submit to disobedient.

If the husband is not in line with Jesus' word, the wife should not agree with him. Jesus is the head of all of us including men. No one should submit to disobedient.

But God's word doesn't cover every contingency. what should she do then?

 

[Stephen100]

Those statistics are genuine. It's a woman's choice and nobody is putting a gun to her head?? That's exactly what the feminists say. They say it is the woman's choice and her right.....but the truth show otherwise. Here are all the news report of men who murdered their girlfriends who refused to have an abortion:

1. Man strangles woman for refusing to have an abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/05/03/man-kills-girlfriend-refusing-abortion-put-in-car-trunk/

2. Canadian man stabs girlfriend 53 times after she refuses abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/25/man-stabs-girlfriend-53-times-after-she-refuses-abortion/

3. Teenage girl in Seattle killed by boyfriend after refusing to get an abortion.

http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/12/girlfriend-and-daughter-killed-by.html

4. Man shot at ex-girlfriend for refusing to get an abortion.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/allentown/index.ssf/2012/09/allentown_man_shot_at_ex-girlf.html

The list goes on......Do you still think abortion is a woman's right?? Abortion is more about the rights of men. And men who misinterpret scripture to get women into being a subordinate rather than a partner in a marriage is no different than the feminists who have been supporting abortion and contraception.

Most women who have abortion do so by their own choice. No decent woman would kill her baby just because her boyfriend told her to. Quoting internet statistics only shows your desperate attempt to get the upper hand. It's the woman;s body. Nobody is putting a gun to her head. Women who have abortions do so by their own choice.

If the husband is not in line with Jesus' word, the wife should not agree with him. Jesus is the head of all of us including men. No one should submit to disobedient.

Whether or not the wife agrees, the husband has the final say, unless he is committing a sin.

 

[meshak]

Whether or not the wife agrees, the husband has the final say, unless he is committing a sin.

What if he is not being biblical? This is the problem.

 

[Stephen100]

What if he is not being biblical? This is the problem.

What do you mean? Could you please give an example?

 

[Selene]

If the husband is not in line with Jesus' word, the wife should not agree with him. Jesus is the head of all of us including men. No one should submit to disobedient.

I agree with this. The Bible says that the head of the man is Christ. If the man does not follow Christ, the wife should not agree with the man.

Most women who have abortion do so by their own choice. No decent woman would kill her baby just because her boyfriend told her to. Quoting internet statistics only shows your desperate attempt to get the upper hand. It's the woman;s body. Nobody is putting a gun to her head. Women who have abortions do so by their own choice.



Whether or not the wife agrees, the husband has the final say, unless he is committing a sin.

That's what the feminists say......it's the woman's choice. In China, was it the woman's choice to abort her child? We all know that in China, women are forced into abortion. I'm quoting studies and surveys that were done.

What do you mean? Could you please give an example?

For example, if the man decides to do an immoral act that is against God's commandment. In this case, the woman must follow her conscious.

 

[Stephen100]

I agree with this. The Bible says that the head of the man is Christ. If the man does not follow Christ, the wife should not agree with the man.


That's what the feminists say......it's the woman's choice. In China, was it the woman's choice to abort her child? We all know that in China, women are forced into abortion. I'm quoting studies and surveys that were done.



For example, if the man decides to do an immoral act that is against God's commandment. In this case, the woman must follow her conscious.

In the West, women have abortions by their own choice. God will hold them accountable because God is not afraid to condemn women. On judgment day women will not be able to point the finger at men. God is not mocked.

If the man decides to do an immoral act, then his wife does not have to agree with him. I never said she had to. What I am saying is that the husband is the head of his wife and his wife should submit to his authority, as long as he isn't practicing sin.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Submitting is not the same as obeying. In fact, the husband is also told to submit to the wife. And headship is not Lordship. The role of the head is not as a boss, but as a lifegiver and a savior to the body. The man's role in the relationship has been vastly misunderstood in the church. The two are partners, and hold equal authority over the household.

Headship is a relationship term, not an authoritative one.

Part of submission is about sex. Couples are supposed to submit to each other because there is a primary thing that often frustrates marriage, and that's harboring sex over the partner to get what the other wants.

This is a immoral in marriage, and many women openly do this.


The nature of many women today has become synonymous to these types of things- they will manipulate their husbands. Away from sex, a lot typically try to indoctrinate their husbands into feminist philosophies. This is why, for example, there are just so many damn men that (some even by explicit declaration) are 'feminists'.

It's a conflict of interest that they are not even aware of. Because what exactly is 'feminism' in the mind of a modern man? It is meaningless is what it is, and only exists in men who blatantly feel women should be treated better then men. It's usually men already in relationships who are feminist, and that is because they extend the adoration of their significant other to the entire paradigm of men and women collectively. And this is inconsistent at best, idolatrous at worst.

Headship is exactly what the context of 'headhip' means- the man indoctrinates the woman, with masculine philosophy which is the imitating philosophy of God. That is why all the prophets and apostles are male. It is why Adam came before Eve.

But most importantly, this is why God gives men this charge, and it's not just a command, it is actually sacredd in the heart of men collectively. When a women tries to be the head, the man is not happy. They may live it with or convince themselves otherwise, but their soul in the relationship is faded.

Because of these things, a couple actually have a higher chance of becoming divorced then remaining married until death. Marriage has become a joke in society, and it's because these things are not held in holiness, they are held as 'old' and 'outdated'.

As such, marriage has become a bit of a bad joke in society, and the men will be made to answer for it more then the women because men are also the head of society- they are ultimately the one's who let this spiral into what it is now, being timid about redundant feminism. Men also have the responsibility of leadership outisde the household, and they have proverbially failed, obviously, with this.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Part of submission is about sex. Couples are supposed to submit to each other because there is a primary thing that often frustrates marriage, and that's harboring sex over the partner to get what the other wants.

This is a immoral in marriage, and many women openly do this.


The nature of many women today has become synonymous to these types of things- they will manipulate their husbands. Away from sex, a lot typically try to indoctrinate their husbands into feminist philosophies. This is why, for example, there are just so many damn men that (some even by explicit declaration) are 'feminists'.

It's a conflict of interest that they are not even aware of. Because what exactly is 'feminism' in the mind of a modern man? It is meaningless is what it is, and only exists in men who blatantly feel women should be treated better then men. It's usually men already in relationships who are feminist, and that is because they extend the adoration of their significant other to the entire paradigm of men and women collectively. And this is inconsistent at best, idolatrous at worst.

Headship is exactly what the context of 'headhip' means- the man indoctrinates the woman, with masculine philosophy which is the imitating philosophy of God. That is why all the prophets and apostles are male. It is why Adam came before Eve.

But most importantly, this is why God gives men this charge, and it's not just a command, it is actually sacredd in the heart of men collectively. When a women tries to be the head, the man is not happy. They may live it with or convince themselves otherwise, but their soul in the relationship is faded.

Because of these things, a couple actually have a higher chance of becoming divorced then remaining married until death. Marriage has become a joke in society, and it's because these things are not held in holiness, they are held as 'old' and 'outdated'.

As such, marriage has become a bit of a bad joke in society, and the men will be made to answer for it more then the women because men are also the head of society- they are ultimately the one's who let this spiral into what it is now, being timid about redundant feminism. Men also have the responsibility of leadership outisde the household, and they have proverbially failed, obviously, with this.

Part of submission is about sex. Couples are supposed to submit to each other because there is a primary thing that often frustrates marriage, and that's harboring sex over the partner to get what the other wants.

This is a immoral in marriage, and many women openly do this.


The nature of many women today has become synonymous to these types of things- they will manipulate their husbands. Away from sex, a lot typically try to indoctrinate their husbands into feminist philosophies. This is why, for example, there are just so many damn men that (some even by explicit declaration) are 'feminists'.

It's a conflict of interest that they are not even aware of. Because what exactly is 'feminism' in the mind of a modern man? It is meaningless is what it is, and only exists in men who blatantly feel women should be treated better then men. It's usually men already in relationships who are feminist, and that is because they extend the adoration of their significant other to the entire paradigm of men and women collectively. And this is inconsistent at best, idolatrous at worst.

Headship is exactly what the context of 'headhip' means- the man indoctrinates the woman, with masculine philosophy which is the imitating philosophy of God. That is why all the prophets and apostles are male. It is why Adam came before Eve.

But most importantly, this is why God gives men this charge, and it's not just a command, it is actually sacredd in the heart of men collectively. When a women tries to be the head, the man is not happy. They may live it with or convince themselves otherwise, but their soul in the relationship is faded.

Because of these things, a couple actually have a higher chance of becoming divorced then remaining married until death. Marriage has become a joke in society, and it's because these things are not held in holiness, they are held as 'old' and 'outdated'.

As such, marriage has become a bit of a bad joke in society, and the men will be made to answer for it more then the women because men are also the head of society- they are ultimately the one's who let this spiral into what it is now, being timid about redundant feminism. Men also have the responsibility of leadership outisde the household, and they have proverbially failed, obviously, with this.

A good summation of the ongoing problem with marriage and society as a whole.

 

[Stephen100]

Part of submission is about sex. Couples are supposed to submit to each other because there is a primary thing that often frustrates marriage, and that's harboring sex over the partner to get what the other wants.

This is a immoral in marriage, and many women openly do this.


The nature of many women today has become synonymous to these types of things- they will manipulate their husbands. Away from sex, a lot typically try to indoctrinate their husbands into feminist philosophies. This is why, for example, there are just so many damn men that (some even by explicit declaration) are 'feminists'.

It's a conflict of interest that they are not even aware of. Because what exactly is 'feminism' in the mind of a modern man? It is meaningless is what it is, and only exists in men who blatantly feel women should be treated better then men. It's usually men already in relationships who are feminist, and that is because they extend the adoration of their significant other to the entire paradigm of men and women collectively. And this is inconsistent at best, idolatrous at worst.

Headship is exactly what the context of 'headhip' means- the man indoctrinates the woman, with masculine philosophy which is the imitating philosophy of God. That is why all the prophets and apostles are male. It is why Adam came before Eve.

But most importantly, this is why God gives men this charge, and it's not just a command, it is actually sacredd in the heart of men collectively. When a women tries to be the head, the man is not happy. They may live it with or convince themselves otherwise, but their soul in the relationship is faded.

Because of these things, a couple actually have a higher chance of becoming divorced then remaining married until death. Marriage has become a joke in society, and it's because these things are not held in holiness, they are held as 'old' and 'outdated'.

As such, marriage has become a bit of a bad joke in society, and the men will be made to answer for it more then the women because men are also the head of society- they are ultimately the one's who let this spiral into what it is now, being timid about redundant feminism. Men also have the responsibility of leadership outisde the household, and they have proverbially failed, obviously, with this.

Well said. But I have a question: why do you think it is that women blame men for their own faults? Is it just a woman's nature to blame men? For example, if women have abortions it's because "men forced them into it." If women commit adultery it's because "men forced them into it." If women become porn stars it's because "men forced them into it." I'm sure you have noticed this too. When a man does something wrong, it has to be his fault no matter what. But if a woman does something wrong, the man must have pushed her into it, therefore he must get the blame. Why are women so determined to condemn men? Is it just in their nature?

 

[Dan57]

Well said. But I have a question: why do you think it is that women blame men for their own faults?

God asked Adam, "Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat" (Genesis 3:12)
It seems on occasion, men also blame women

 

[Stephen100]

God asked Adam, "Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat" (Genesis 3:12)
It seems on occasion, men also blame women

True, but more so with women. I mean come on, how can women blame men for abortions? If a woman decides to have an abortion, it is preposterous to blame the man. But this is the kind of insanity we have to deal with.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

God asked Adam, "Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat" (Genesis 3:12)
It seems on occasion, men also blame women

Actually, he said "the woman thou gave me... ." He pointed out the 'faulty woman' and blamed God for it, thereby passing the buck.

He was blaming God, for putting him in that situation to begin with.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Well said. But I have a question: why do you think it is that women blame men for their own faults? Is it just a woman's nature to blame men? For example, if women have abortions it's because "men forced them into it." If women commit adultery it's because "men forced them into it." If women become porn stars it's because "men forced them into it." I'm sure you have noticed this too. When a man does something wrong, it has to be his fault no matter what. But if a woman does something wrong, the man must have pushed her into it, therefore he must get the blame. Why are women so determined to condemn men? Is it just in their nature?

It's not in their pure nature, but it is typical in the formed nature of many women in today's society.

Many women lack accountability today because they are given the benefit of the doubt in most cases. They are generally less scrutinized, and life can tend to be a bit more forgiving. They live in a more graceful place in society.

Most women typically don't see the fact that they live in that grace everyday of their lives, assuming that men are in that grace as well because it never really occurred to them to see otherwise. I mean, that's how a lot of women are- they don't really look too far outside their own world. Women are typically romantics and even their prime entertainment is romance and talking about romance. All the same, a lot of them do not look past themselves.

This is what creates the troublesome woman, because they are so interested in men, but not man's interests. They also fail to see that life is not as graceful for a man- a man's life is actually a bit more hostile then a woman's, that is why a man is much more willing to settle for less: a person will manifest peace in lesser things in an evironment that is less forgiving. It's a fact.


I'm not generalizing all women, because there are decent and true women out there. What I'm addressing is the majority of women. There's no point in watering it down, it is the majority. That's simply what's become of modern society. And even with all that, feminist activists are are still sounding their trumpets- it's just a sign of the times, you have homsexuals, races, and myriads of other specialty groups doing the same. It's like a crusade against conservative men who value personal accountability. Society's favorite word is 'progress', and it's surely progressing- right into the dirt.

 

[Axehead]

I don't think marriage would work because most Christian women don't want to be under their husband's authority. Feminism has its claws in too many churches. Even though I have repeatedly stated that husbands should die for their wives, you accuse me of being selfish. Extraordinary!

What is extraordinary is your wholesale judgment of sisters in the church and lack of faith.

How many fellowships have you been a part of?

If you are going by the worldly church, don't forget 50% or more of men are hooked on pornography.

Are you in a worldly church?

 

[Groundzero]

You seem very young in spiritual wisdom, almost selfish in your means of leadership.

Even our God as Jesus submitted to to serving unconditionally, you need to find mature Christian men to mentor you, and pray for the Holy Spirit to humble your heart....relax and go watch your game, stay away from women for your heart is not right before The Lord, to love unconditionally.

I would be careful in passing judgement. People have said similar things about me, and how I don't know what relationships can do, but they had absolutely no idea of what it was that I had actually been through. Be careful how you judge, because that's the measure that will be applied to you.

Earlier on, you stated:

Stephan,

Many church's are now more concerned with being politically correct, not holy scripture correct.

Our bible teaches this would happen,....many false teachings, wolves in sheeps clothing, a falling away from the true gospel.

So many American "Christians" are not truly born again.

You must trust God that He will help you find a healthy church, my church teaches from the bible and does not change the meaning to fit their agenda, many Christians fall for the teachers in "sheeps clothing" because they do not read the scriptures.

That being said, as a women, I find many replies disturbing,....divorse is high among among the church for all the reasons I stated above, to blame it on women is of the flesh.

Stephen, I say this in love, but you come off very bitter, and not trusting God.

It is not better for man to be alone,....remember Adam and Eve? If you put your faith in God He will find you a true Christian women, He will find you true Christian friends, and fellowship.

Real born again Christians are becoming a rare breed in America or in any contemporary society today.

Stop the finger pointing, serve The Lord, love your neighbor and your enemies, ....Jesus warned us in the end times there would be a great falling away from the Truth.....men and women

I do pray you find a beautiful women in Christ, for Apostle Paul's command to stay single was of his own wisdom, not of The Lord, Paul states this himself.

God bless

I don't believe Stephen is putting the blame on women. He's focusing on an area that has deteriorated to a frightening stage in our society. It's an area that very few people like to look at. They prefer focusing on the men, the fathers, the leaders of the house, and point out their flaws. Just watch your tv, movies, etc. Fathers and husbands cope alot more than women. That's because it's part of Satan's goal in undermining and destroying the family.

About the singleness issue, I don't want to stay single. But I know that if I did, I could do so much more for God. If Stephen wishes to stay single, let him be. He isn't breaking rules that God created. If anything, he's doing something greater than many others do - consecrating himself wholly to God. (at least, I hope so )

Well said. But I have a question: why do you think it is that women blame men for their own faults? Is it just a woman's nature to blame men? For example, if women have abortions it's because "men forced them into it." If women commit adultery it's because "men forced them into it." If women become porn stars it's because "men forced them into it." I'm sure you have noticed this too. When a man does something wrong, it has to be his fault no matter what. But if a woman does something wrong, the man must have pushed her into it, therefore he must get the blame. Why are women so determined to condemn men? Is it just in their nature?

Well said. But I have a question: why do you think it is that women blame men for their own faults? Is it just a woman's nature to blame men? For example, if women have abortions it's because "men forced them into it." If women commit adultery it's because "men forced them into it." If women become porn stars it's because "men forced them into it." I'm sure you have noticed this too. When a man does something wrong, it has to be his fault no matter what. But if a woman does something wrong, the man must have pushed her into it, therefore he must get the blame. Why are women so determined to condemn men? Is it just in their nature?

I don't think that's wholly the case.

After being in the work industry for two years (ok, stop laughing all you old seadogs. ), most of which I've spent in some form of management, I've seen both male and female pass the buck. NO ONE wants to take the responsibility for their actions. They want to palm it off on someone else. (e.g. in my work case, this is the chain of pass-the-buck: worker blames duty manager blames store manager blames area manager blames everyone else And it just keeps going round.)

 

[meshak]

Society's favorite word is 'progress', and it's surely progressing- right into the dirt.

Why do you talk about the society? Jesus' followers are not of this world. What you are talking about sound like political issue (abortion). Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. Christians have no business criticizing the world. we should clean out our own act.

blessings.

 

[Selene]

In the West, women have abortions by their own choice. God will hold them accountable because God is not afraid to condemn women. On judgment day women will not be able to point the finger at men. God is not mocked.

If the man decides to do an immoral act, then his wife does not have to agree with him. I never said she had to. What I am saying is that the husband is the head of his wife and his wife should submit to his authority, as long as he isn't practicing sin.

And as I said, if a man truly loves his wife, he would treat her as his partner and not like a slave or a servant. If he treats her like a servant, then he treats his body like a servant. The woman has power over her husband's body and the husband has power over the wife's body because both are to give their bodies to each other.

1 Corinthians 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

The first thing that St. Paul said is that we should all submit to one another.

Ephesians 5:21-29 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing [fn] her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body.

Both husbands and wives are members of the Church, and what does the Holy Bible say about members of the Church? They are one with Christ (See Galatians 3:28). Husbands and wives are also one. Both are equal as human beings, and both were created differently to serve and complement each other.....not to make slaves or servants of each other (which is what you are claiming for the woman's role). Christ has authority, but He did not make the Apostles his slaves or servants. They were His brothers. God has authority, but He did not make Christians his slaves or His servants. He made us His children.....sons and daughters of God. We are not like the Muslims who call Allah their master and Lord and never called Him "Father."