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[Hiddenthings]

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Herbert Kitchener - a relation of yours ​

 

[Matthias]

Herbert Kitchener - a relation of yours ​

George Orwell’s “childhood idol”.

Big Brother from '1984' is based on this infamous historical figure

Before Big Brother, there was Lord Kitchener. Read the backstory in "Grand Illusions: American Art and the First World War" by David M. Lubin.

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[Brakelite]

The Apostles derived their understanding from the Old Testament prophecies, for example, John 1:1 draws on Genesis 1:1, Philippians heavily reflects themes from Isaiah, and Galatians is deeply rooted in the Servant Songs and messages of the prophets. Their teachings were built on the foundation of the Hebrew Scriptures. All we have is "Logos" from which all things exist, past, present, and future! Unfortunately, the early Church Fathers did not follow the Apostles lead causing them to deflect into many hurtful lusts. All will be revealed at his coming!

An old testament reference I would give serious regard to is
“Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. ”
Psalms 2:12 KJV

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The question NT Jews must have been asking themselves I think more than any other, was, "does God have a son? ", rather than, "who is God?".
It's a question that is seriously under scrutiny today.

 

[ScottA]

I think the evidence in support for a pre-incarnation Son is stronger than inference.

Yes. And yet the key to the pre-incarnation of the Son of God, only comes with a proper understanding of the creation:

God created the heavens and the earth and then created man of the same substance, and called it an "image." Think that through very carefully.

From that point forward that image-based and defined world is revealed following the same "Let there be light; and there was light" process unfolding the man and his world. Which then with the fall comes the fulfillment and effect of darkness--that shadow of turning that only exists in this created world; and the unfolding and advancing of God's salvation plan--not only for this world, but to rid the heavens of darkness (evil) also, namely Satan.

Fast forward to Messiah, and the "image" becomes "God with us"--God himself, made manifest by and in the same imagery. Thus, God is One; and yet the image of God has seemed to take on an image of His own. But what shall we say, that a self portrait makes Two? Still, among men, among the world in its own context--if one is so foolish to insist upon doing so, or if considered in story form like the words of a book that is written--should not such a character exist and even be given His own name while the curtain is still showing Him as such? Would that not make such an image--God's babe, His child by creation?

Is the world really apart from God--and if so, is it not proper even to separate God from His own image?

It is--but only for a time.

 

[Matthias]

“Our God has sent me.”

Voting nay - the majority.

Voting aye - the minority.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The question NT Jews must have been asking themselves I think more than any other, was, "does God have a son? ", rather than, "who is God?".
It's a question that is seriously under scrutiny today.

While it's clear that God's intention to have a unique Son was present from the beginning, like many things in God's Word, it remains hidden until God shines the light of revelation upon it, otherwise, how would anyone know?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes. And yet the key to the pre-incarnation of the Son of God, only comes with a proper understanding of the creation:

God created the heavens and the earth and then created man of the same substance, and called it an "image." Think that through very carefully.

From that point forward that image-based and defined world is revealed following the same "Let there be light; and there was light" process unfolding the man and his world. Which then with the fall comes the fulfillment and effect of darkness--that shadow of turning that only exists in this created world; and the unfolding and advancing of God's salvation plan--not only for this world, but to rid the heavens of darkness (evil) also, namely Satan.

Fast forward to Messiah, and the "image" becomes "God with us"--God himself, made manifest by and in the same imagery. Thus, God is One; and yet the image of God has seemed to take on an image of His own. But what shall we say, that a self portrait makes Two? Still, among men, among the world in its own context--if one is so foolish to insist upon doing so, or if considered in story form like the words of a book that is written--should not such a character exist and even be given His own name while the curtain is still showing Him as such? Would that not make such an image--God's babe, His child by creation?

Is the world really apart from God--and if so, is it not proper even to separate God from His own image?

It is--but only for a time.

The image cannot be that which is being imaged.

 

[Hiddenthings]

“Our God has sent me.”

Voting nay - the majority.

Voting aye - the minority.

The Word of God has incredible Power...Isaiah 55:11...it did not return to Him void!

 

[Matthias]

The Word of God has incredible Power...Isaiah 55:11...it did not return to Him void!

Camel racing? What has that got to do with it?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Camel racing? What has that got to do with it?

Nothing

 

[Matthias]

Nothing

That’s what I thought. (Context is king.)

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes. And yet the key to the pre-incarnation of the Son of God, only comes with a proper understanding of the creation:

Reading this again there really is a lot of guff going on here. Yahweh creates! Everything His Logos expresses is either Creating or Sustaining.

Pre-incarnation is no substitute for God manifestation!

 

[Hiddenthings]

That’s what I thought. (Context is king.)

I think you jumped the gun Matthias - I was speaking about "camel racing"...context is King!

 

[Matthias]

I think you jumped the gun Matthias - I was speaking about "camel racing"...context is King!

Call the race for us then. What does the passage in Isaiah have to do with the passages in the OP from John?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Do you not understand Isaiah 55:11 in relation to the Son? Was it not Yahweh’s Spirit, His very Word that was sent forth? What is the Logos, if not Spirit Power and Life?

These are the elementary truths of the Word and yet you ask to call the race? I had expected more of you, Matthias.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Call the race for us then. What does the passage in Isaiah have to do with the passages in the OP from John?

I see you changed your post!

 

[Matthias]

Do you not understand Isaiah 55:11 in relation to the Son? Was it not Yahweh’s Spirit, His very Word that was sent forth? What is the Logos, if not Spirit Power and Life?

These are the elementary truths of the Word and yet you ask to call the race? I had expected more of you, Matthias.

All I’ve asked you to do is explain how the passage you quoted in Isaiah is related to the passages in John.

I apparently asked too much of you. That’s on me.

 

[Matthias]

I see you changed your post!

I’m tired. I’m reading in Matthew and wrote Matthew instead of John. I don’t know why you felt the need to comment on it but I applaud your exuberance.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I’m tired. I’m reading in Matthew and wrote Matthew instead of John. I don’t know why you felt the need to comment on it but I applaud your exuberance.

All applause sent Heavenward!

 

[Matthias]

“Our God has sent me.”

Voting nay - the majority.

Voting aye - the minority.

Though small in number, the ayes have it. Theirs is the life of the age to come.