No, the Torah was the schoolmaster of unending judgement, which all I needed to fail it's tests were trying to keep the 10 commandments.
Since nobody could keep them, all fail the class.
You failed the class too.
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Since nobody could keep them, all fail the class.
You failed the class too.
More antinomian rhetoric I see.
The Torah is from Genesis to Revelation.
Mathew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In Messiah, I fail not. It is the letter of the law that you are fixated on, which is why you disregard the intent of the passages you quote. In the Spirit, these commands are fulfilled.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Yes, the Church was taught for the women not to teach men, etc.
The Law taught the same thing as reminded by Paul.
No problem.
BTW, the Law is definitely still in existence today.
However, it is specifically made to condemn.
It, through guilt, drives us to Christ.
The Law drove 3000 to Christ at Pentecost as Peter called them murderers.
Here is how the Law was used by the Apostles....
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Question, was the Law made for YOU!
If you really did/do study Torah, you wouldn't speak about it as if it is obsolete...you would have been doing it.
As it is, you may have just about as much head knowledge as any truant school kid has...
Have you ever broke a commandment?
Okay, you're busted!
Now you must be judged with the wicked.
Only one way out of this predicament....an atonement for your sins.
To get this, obey Acts 2:38.
It is NOT obsolete!
It is the very wrath of God in scripture.
The Torah is the judge of all who disobey Acts 2:38.
It is terrifying.
Okay, I believe we've strayed far enough from the OP.
I'll leave it to you to do some more homework from your schoolmaster.
Obviously I don't subscribe to your brand of churchianity.
I can tell you this though...I've been where you are, and I had to go through some things and pray about some things, and study study study.
It's getting near Shabbat and I've got a music class to attend soon, so I'll bid you shalom.
Maybe I'll start a topic on Torah soon, we'll see.
Yah bless.
Ronald Nolette
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I like the joke! I use I am the head of my home, just ask my wife!
And I agree 1005 with your last line.
I also agree submission is not subjugation as I already have told you! So why you repeat it is unnecessary.
And Scripture is 100% clear and unambiguous, that as we submit to the Lord so also must a wife submit to her husband!
why you have a problem with that is beyond me.
Ephesians 5:22-24
King James Version
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
If Christ demands obedience from the church, then so should the wife obey her husband willingly and with love!
If we are to serve Christ so the wife serve her husband willingly and with love.
This is called divine order. And I will repeat the call of the husband as well:
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
so if you are opposed to the wife submitting to her husband, maybe you are against the husband loving his wife as Christ loves the church as well?
After all they are linked in one thought as a working relationship.
Ronald Nolette
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How do you define equality so that it is not the same as equal?
Men do not have equality with women in that we cannot give birth, or feed children.
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
"Equality" is a cultural Marxist term designed advance communism. Equal rights and Equal protection under the law are not. That's how they are not the same.
We can be equal in one way but not another. This is not equality as that term is being used to blur discernment. If we are unequal in any way, there is a lack of equality.
Ronald Nolette
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Well you should get your definition out to the world then so they can argue about being equal and not equality!
A 6' person has no equality with a 5' person as you seem to define i for they have a difference. They may be equal persons but do not have equality.
e·qual
/ˈēkwəl/
adjective
- 1.
being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value.
/əˈkwälədē/
noun
- the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities.
amigo de christo
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The first man did indeed fail . But it was not to warn his wife . CAUSE HIS WIFE quoated to the tempter
that we must not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil . Adam did a good job warning His wife to steer clear of that tree ,
But he chose his wife over GOD and that was the downfall of mankind . LIKE JESUS said , HE who loves wife , etc more than me
IS not worthy of me . Adam knew not to eat of that tree , HE told eve not too , cause she knew NOT To eat of it .
But in the end he failed .
Wrangler
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To your disgrace and destruction when the Adversary is perverting words. Those who embrace 'equality' have lost discernment with being unequal in reality.
Think man! Think! What is the lesson from the Fall? The Adversary used equality with God as a primer for sin.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
YES HE DID . and folks aint seeing that . men are too scared too see this simple truth .
YE shall be as GOD . And WL says YE SHALL be as MEN . satan is working fast and furious to destroy all things now .
Yes, he failed to lead his wife in the path of righteousness. And by that one man sin entered the world. As God willed.
Wrangler
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I prefer 'allowed.' It was our will.
It is important to reflect on the fact that Adam and Eve, like us all, sinned not by accident or without bad intent. Humans sin willfully and knowingly in our ego driven desire to supplant God for our own glory. It was while we were his enemies that Christ willingly died for us.
God is sovereign. His will be done on earth as it is in heaven . Remember the Psalm? We plan but God sets our steps.
Take a dollar bill and cut it down the middle, top to bottom.
Both halves are worth 50 cents, though they are not the same.
Together, they make a whole entity.
Just like male and female. - Genesis 1:27, 5:2
Both halves are worth 50 cents, though they are not the same.
Together, they make a whole entity.
Just like male and female. - Genesis 1:27, 5:2
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Not sure the point you are making. Are you denying humans have free will and are capable of sin? Psalm 37:23 clarifies the 'we' in 16:9 are the Godly. Do you reject the idea of God forsaken?
Proverbs 16:9 We make our own plans, but the LORD decides where we will go.
Psalm 37:23 The LORD directs the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives.
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