The Case Against the Trinity

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Acknowledging some of verse but denying the part in question is bad form.

you ignore what I have said, because honestly you cannot disprove it!

 

[Wrangler]

John 1:1 for example, destroys any notion that God is One Person

The argument for the trinity in Scripture is so weak, trinitarians go to verse is John 1:1, which mentions neither the trinity nor Jesus.

I’ve addressed the trinitarian projection onto this unitarian text dozens of times. It refers to God, not Jesus who is not even introduced until v12. John 1:1 fulfills Deutoronomy 18:15-18. It is not God in the flesh but his words.

Have you watched the videos I posted repeatedly on this?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The argument for the trinity in Scripture is so weak, trinitarians go to verse is John 1:1, which mentions neither the trinity nor Jesus.

I’ve addressed the trinitarian projection onto this unitarian text dozens of times. It refers to God, not Jesus who is not even introduced until v12. John 1:1 fulfills Deutoronomy 18:15-18. It is not God in the flesh but his words.

Have you watched the videos I posted repeatedly on this?

WHO is "the Word" in John 1:1? Who was "made flesh" in verse 14?

 

[MatthewG]

sure, care to respond from the Bible. what about John 1:1?

Yes, will only respond with this. There is much more to the bible than just John 1:1, and believe people can come to understanding that if they read the bible and in Colossians, and some of the other books that.

God was in Christ -> Reconciled the world. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
God was in Christ -> Matthew 1:22-23
God spoke the Word -> Created, Was God, and Was with God -> Word of God was part of God when God spoke -> Word created. What happened? -> John 1:14

What does all this mean?

Christ Jesus -> is the creator of all things because of God through Christ allowing creation.

God through the Word -> Spoke. God was in Christ -> created through Christ Jesus. God through Christ. God was in Christ. Christ was the Word of God - which God is the (Father).

You can see the Supremacy of the Son of God who was the expressed image of the - invisible God - The Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Who He talked about constantly in and through the Gospels. Also the Apostles through out the letters note always about grace and peace, coming by and from the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:15-28 -> Supremacy of the Son of God.

Please understand @ByGraceThroughFaith -> These are my own viewpoints when it comes down to looking at scripture and what it has to say.

You may believe that my thoughts and collection of data are wrong, and that they may not make sense. Hopefully may God give you the increase, and help you understand my words being spoken here in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

- Will not fight - Will not bicker, Will not argue - with anyone who is curious to know my own personal position.

- Will not tell you that you are wrong because you see things differently either -

Thank you for your question.​

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Yes, will only respond with this. There is much more to the bible than just John 1:1, and believe people can come to understanding that if they read the bible and in Colossians, and some of the other books that.

God was in Christ -> Reconciled the world. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
God was in Christ -> Matthew 1:22-23
God spoke the Word -> Created, Was God, and Was with God -> Word of God was part of God when God spoke -> Word created. What happened? -> John 1:14

What does all this mean?

Christ Jesus -> is the creator of all things because of God through Christ allowing creation.

God through the Word -> Spoke. God was in Christ -> created through Christ Jesus. God through Christ. God was in Christ. Christ was the Word of God - which God is the (Father).

You can see the Supremacy of the Son of God who was the expressed image of the - invisible God - The Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Who He talked about constantly in and through the Gospels. Also the Apostles through out the letters note always about grace and peace, coming by and from the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:15-28 -> Supremacy of the Son of God.

Please understand @ByGraceThroughFaith -> These are my own viewpoints when it comes down to looking at scripture and what it has to say.

You may believe that my thoughts and collection of data are wrong, and that they may not make sense. Hopefully may God give you the increase, and help you understand my words being spoken here in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

- Will not fight - Will not bicker, Will not argue - with anyone who is curious to know my own personal position.

- Will not tell you that you are wrong because you see things differently either -

Thank you for your question.​

before you quote all these verses, just for starters deal with John 1:1, and show from this verse, that there are not Two distinct Persons Who are clearly called God?

 

[MatthewG]

Conversation is over now @ByGraceThroughFaith

You take care, okay and may God give you the increase of knowledge involving His will, spiritual understanding and wisdom found in the Lord Christ Jesus that He gives freely unto us all.

 

[Wrangler]

you ignore what I have said, because honestly you cannot disprove it!

I have proven it repeatedly. You are just ignoring it just as you are ignoring the many verses that identify God to be synonymous with the Father.

God is exclusively associated with the Father many times throughout Scripture, including ALL of the Epistles. So, God = Father alone and no one else. God and the Father are synonyms in Scripture. NOTE: The failure to acknowledge the non-existent 3rd person of the trinity in the following verses.

And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17

For us, there is one God, the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2

May God our Father give you grace and peace.
Colossians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.
1 & 2 Timothy 1:2

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3

For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”
God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.
Hebrews 1:5

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring
James 1:27

God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy.
1 Peter 1:2

when he received honor and glory from God the Father.
2 Peter 1:17

We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)

Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father
2 John 1:3

He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
Revelation 1:6

Many times Scripture identifies God the Father. Not once does Scripture identify God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. Proof text.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The argument for the trinity in Scripture is so weak, trinitarians go to verse is John 1:1, which mentions neither the trinity nor Jesus.

I’ve addressed the trinitarian projection onto this unitarian text dozens of times. It refers to God, not Jesus who is not even introduced until v12. John 1:1 fulfills Deutoronomy 18:15-18. It is not God in the flesh but his words.

Have you watched the videos I posted repeatedly on this?

I want to respond to what you have on your replies

"The trinity is not in the Bible. The entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day. Therefore, projecting trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text is futile"

Here is a video by a former Jew, on the Holy Trinity

 

[theefaith]

God is exclusively associated with the Father many times throughout Scripture, including ALL of the Epistles. So, God = Father alone and no one else. God and the Father are synonyms in Scripture. NOTE: The failure to acknowledge the non-existent 3rd person of the trinity in the following verses.

And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17

For us, there is one God, the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2

May God our Father give you grace and peace.
Colossians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.
1 & 2 Timothy 1:2

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3

For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”
God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.
Hebrews 1:5

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring
James 1:27

God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy.
1 Peter 1:2

when he received honor and glory from God the Father.
2 Peter 1:17

We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)

Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father
2 John 1:3

He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
Revelation 1:6

is Jesus God
Does He have a divine nature?

 

[Heart2Soul]

The question is not about him going to the Father. The text in John 20:17 says Father, yes, but it also explicitly says God. That is my question; do you believe Jesus went to God (as the text explicitly states)?

God is the Father...
I am not going to keep this up...

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

God is the Father...
I am not going to keep this up...

but He IS also The Son and The Holy Spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

but He IS also The Son and The Holy Spirit.

How does this strengthen the case against trinitarianism?

I see you once again just ignored post #704.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

How does this strengthen the case against trinitarianism?

I see you once again just ignored post #704.

there is nothing to "strengthen", because the Bible clearly shows that God is One Being, but Three Distinct Persons.

 

[Wrangler]

You are missing the ways they are equal....
Jesus said it himself...

No, Jesus never said he God or was equal to God. On the contrary, Jesus said God was greater and knew more than him.

 

[Wrangler]

the Father is God
The son is God
The HS is God

Not what Scripture says. Scripture says there is only one God and that is the Father. Not once does Scripture say either the son or HS are God.

God is exclusively associated with the Father many times throughout Scripture, including ALL of the Epistles. So, God = Father alone and no one else. God and the Father are synonyms in Scripture. NOTE: The failure to acknowledge the non-existent 3rd person of the trinity in the following verses.

And he will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psalm 89:26

“Don’t cling to me,” Jesus said, “for I haven’t yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17

For us, there is one God, the Father
1 Corinthians 8:6

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
2 Corinthians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philippians 1:2

May God our Father give you grace and peace.
Colossians 1:2

I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead.
Galatians 1:1

We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord give you grace, mercy, and peace.
1 & 2 Timothy 1:2

May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior give you grace and peace.
Titus 1:4

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Philemon 1:3

For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”
God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.
Hebrews 1:5

Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring
James 1:27

God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy.
1 Peter 1:2

when he received honor and glory from God the Father.
2 Peter 1:17

We proclaim ... our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3 (NOTE: Again no reference to the HS)

Grace, mercy, and peace, which come from God the Father
2 John 1:3

He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father.
Revelation 1:6

 

[Wrangler]

The Case FOR The Triune GodHead!

You posted in the wrong thread.

 

[Wrangler]

No one can ever be a True Christian who denies that God IS eternally Trinity.

LOL. The trinity is not even in the Bible, not the word, not the idea. See post #704.

 

[theefaith]

Not what Scripture says. Scripture says there is only one God and that is the Father. Not once does Scripture say either the son or HS are God.

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

[Wrangler]

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

I have no idea how you suppose that supports your position or how you suppose it strengthens the case against trinitarianism.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

LOL. The trinity is not even in the Bible, not the word, not the idea. See post #704.

your argument is MOOT! The term Millennium is not in the Bible either, and yet we know that from Revelation 20, Jesus Christ will one Day Reign during this time. The Trinity is a formulated Doctrine of the Holy Bible, which is also clearly taught in the Old Testament, as I have shown in another thread. Isaiah 48 and The Holy Trinity, feel free to show me to be wrong, if you can.