Hell Is God's Mercy

[Foreigner]

So you are saying as a Catholic that the information in the Catechism is correct.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Selene]

Selene, I read your answer and it is - to say the least - lacking.

If the Catholic church is teaching things that are not scripturally supported and in some cases, go against what scriptures say then Jesus definitely ISN'T the head of the Catholic church. It really is that simple.


Saying that whatever the Catholic church holds as doctrine is correct because "Jesus is the head of the Catholic church" is specious at best.


If you cannot show scriptural support for a doctrine or belief, then it should be held suspect. Especially with a concept like Purgatory which runs contrary to actual scripture.


Again, you have nothing to prove that Jesus approves of that concept (or several others) so saying it is right because He is head of your church just.....doesn't.....fly.

Foreigner, because you are not Catholic, it is understandable that you think that the Catholic Church is incorrect. However, the fact that we do not dismiss our Church shows that we are indeed aligned with what the Bible teaches. In other words, the Bible says that Christ is the Head of the Church; therefore, we believe that Christ is the Head of OUR Church. Why you do not believe that Christ is NOT the Head of YOUR church is not my problem. The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth; therefore, we do not dismiss our Church and recognize it as the pillar and foundation of Truth. Your belief that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of Truth goes against what the Bible says.

 

[Foreigner]

"Foreigner, because you are not Catholic, it is understandable that you think that the Catholic Church is incorrect. However, the fact that we do not dismiss our Church shows that we are indeed aligned with what the Bible teaches." - Selene

-- The Mormons can say that exact same quote. Are they correct?

And you forget, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a practicing Catholic. Catholic school, altar boy, Catechism classes, Confirmation, the whole nine yards. I have been where you are. The difference is I finally chose truth over dogma.





"In other words, the Bible says that Christ is the Head of the Church; therefore, we believe that Christ is the Head of OUR Church. " - Selene

-- But Christ (nor His Word) told the Catholic church about Purgatory, Mary never having children after Jesus, Mary being lifted up into heaven alive, praying to the dead saints, that Jesus's ACTUAL body and blood is created at every Mass, the 'infallibility' of the Pope, etc. etc. etc.

If Christ TRULY was the head of your church, your church wouldn't claim that these things are correct.
Again, neither Christ nor His Scriptures support these ideas - at all.




"Why you do not believe that Christ is NOT the Head of YOUR church is not my problem." - Selene

-- THIS is what you are reduced to Selene?
Claiming that because someone is not a Catholic that Christ is not the head of their church?

Amazing. Abolutely amazing.




"The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth; therefore, we do not dismiss our Church and recognize it as the pillar and foundation of Truth. Your belief that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of Truth goes against what the Bible says." - Selene

-- I hope that everyone on this board actually READS this statement ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ because it shows a lot.

First, "Church" as you are speaking of should mean "body of believers" not "Catholic Church" because there is NOTHING, repeat NO THING anywhere that indicates the Catholic church is Jesus' church. Especially when so many pillars of that church are not supported even remotely by Scripture.

Second, that statement says you are elevating the teaching of the man-formed Catholic church over God's own divinely breathed Word.

I am sorry you are unable to recognize what a travesty and danger that is.



"Your belief that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of Truth goes against what the Bible says." - Selene

-- Really? Are you that ill-informed?

Because in all actuality the Bible says just the opposite:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," - 2 Tim. 3:16


That means that if what is taught in the Catholic church runs contrary to what the Bible teaches, it......is......wrong.

It really is that simple.

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[Selene]

"Foreigner, because you are not Catholic, it is understandable that you think that the Catholic Church is incorrect. However, the fact that we do not dismiss our Church shows that we are indeed aligned with what the Bible teaches." - Selene

-- The Mormons can say that exact same quote. Are they correct?

And you forget, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a practicing Catholic. Catholic school, altar boy, Catechism classes, Confirmation, the whole nine yards. I have been where you are. The difference is I finally chose truth over dogma.

The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book.

The fact that you were a former Catholic or former "anything" makes you go against the Bible. Why? Because the Bible says to obey and submit to your Church leaders (See Hebrews 13:17). A former Catholic who went against his Church already went against the Bible according to Hebews 13:17. A former Protestant who went against his church and converted to another religion also did the same thing.

"In other words, the Bible says that Christ is the Head of the Church; therefore, we believe that Christ is the Head of OUR Church. " - Selene

-- But Christ (nor His Word) told the Catholic church about Purgatory, Mary never having children after Jesus, Mary being lifted up into heaven alive, praying to the dead saints, that Jesus's ACTUAL body and blood is created at every Mass, the 'infallibility' of the Pope, etc. etc. etc.

If Christ TRULY was the head of your church, your church wouldn't claim that these things are correct.
Again, neither Christ nor His Scriptures support these ideas - at all.

My brother, as a former Catholic, you never understood the doctrines of your former Church. Purgatory means "purging of sins." Many mainstream Protestants believe in a purging of sins as the soul enters Heaven. We are all sinners. When we die, death does not take away our sins. The Bible says that no one with sin can enter Heaven. Therefore, when a person is saved, the soul of the person who died must have their sins purged before entering Heaven. Many Protestants believe that the soul's sins are being purged as they draw closer and closer on their journey to Heaven. For Catholics, we believe in the same thing. Purgatory is only a place where sins are purged in order for the soul to enter Heaven.

As for the ascension of Mary.....why is it so difficult for you to believe that Mary (Jesus' mother) was brought to Heaven body and soul by God especially when the Bible says that Elijah was also brought into Heaven body and soul (See 2 Kings 2:1). If it was possible for Elijah to be brought up into heaven body and soul, then why was it difficult for you to believe that the same thing can happen to Mary. Do you not know that not everything was written down in the Bible (See John 21:25). Where in the Bible did it say that Mary was NOT taken up into Heaven by God? Just because it was not written in the Bible does not mean that it did not happen. After all, St. John already said that not everything was written down in the Bible. The rest can easily be explained if you are willing to discuss it openly and in a civil manner.

"Why you do not believe that Christ is NOT the Head of YOUR church is not my problem." - Selene

-- THIS is what you are reduced to Selene?
Claiming that because someone is not a Catholic that Christ is not the head of their church?

Amazing. Abolutely amazing.

The fact that you dismiss whatever church you converted to is not my problem. If you believe that the head of the church that you converted to is Jesus Christ, then you would have understood why I stated "this is not Catholic teaching."

"The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth; therefore, we do not dismiss our Church and recognize it as the pillar and foundation of Truth. Your belief that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of Truth goes against what the Bible says." - Selene

-- I hope that everyone on this board actually READS this statement ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ because it shows a lot.

First, "Church" as you are speaking of should mean "body of believers" not "Catholic Church" because there is NOTHING, repeat NO THING anywhere that indicates the Catholic church is Jesus' church. Especially when so many pillars of that church are not supported even remotely by Scripture.

When I say "Catholic Church" did you honestly think I was referring to a building? When I say "Catholic Church" I was referring to the billions of Catholic faithful. That is what Catholic Church had always meant. How do you know that the Church that Jesus built was NOT the Catholic Church? As a Catholic, I believe that it is. As for you, whatever church you go to (whether it be Baptist, Presbyterian, etc.) should you not believe in the same thing? After all, even an Orthodox Christian believes that his Church is a Church built by Christ. If you do not believe that YOUR church is not the Church built by Christ, then why even bother being a part of that church?

Second, that statement says you are elevating the teaching of the man-formed Catholic church over God's own divinely breathed Word.

I am sorry you are unable to recognize what a travesty and danger that is.



"Your belief that the Bible is the pillar and foundation of Truth goes against what the Bible says." - Selene

-- Really? Are you that ill-informed?

Because in all actuality the Bible says just the opposite:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," - 2 Tim. 3:16


That means that if what is taught in the Catholic church runs contrary to what the Bible teaches, it......is......wrong.

It really is that simple.

My brother, 2 Timothy 3:16 is only saying that Scripture is used for teaching, rebuking, and correcting as well as training in righteousness. But Scripture cannot interpret itself. It was the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit who wrote Scripture in the first place. It was the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that compiled the books of the Bible. It is the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that can correctly interpret Sacred Scripture.....the Scripture that she wrote. The Bible does not and cannot interpret itself. This is why the Bible declares that the pillar and foundation of Truth is the Church.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[aspen]

Sister - you have taught me so much - I love you and cannot wait to see you in heaven - Jesus has worked some thing amazing in your heart. I need you to know that my heart is not necessarily in line with the Catholic Catechism. I have taught it - I believe it - but my mind strays from it at times - this is a personal fault,which Jesus is working out in my heart. The reason I am telling you this, my sister,Selene is that I hope you are arguing the truth of the catholic doctrine - not my musings, I trust in Jesus to straighten out my doctrine.

 

[TexUs]

It still amazes me how the Catholics here dodge and avoid direct questions at all costs. It really does. I single the Catholics out because, oddly enough, they're the only two people on here I know of that do this on an ongoing basis.

The question was if the teaching was correct. Selene responds:
The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book.


Thus absolutely failing to answer the question.

This reminds me of an evil woman named Oprah who believes as long as it's right TO THE PERSON- all paths lead to God.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pwGLNbiw1gk

 

[aspen]

It still amazes me how the Catholics here dodge and avoid direct questions at all costs. It really does. I single the Catholics out because, oddly enough, they're the only two people on here I know of that do this on an ongoing basis.

The question was if the teaching was correct. Selene responds:
The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book.


Thus absolutely failing to answer the question.

This reminds me of an evil woman named Oprah who believes as long as it's right TO THE PERSON- all paths lead to God.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pwGLNbiw1gk

I think you are wound way too tight - seriously!

You are so intense, I cannot even understand your post.......mercy!

 

[Selene]

It still amazes me how the Catholics here dodge and avoid direct questions at all costs. It really does. I single the Catholics out because, oddly enough, they're the only two people on here I know of that do this on an ongoing basis.

The question was if the teaching was correct. Selene responds:
The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book.


Thus absolutely failing to answer the question.

This reminds me of an evil woman named Oprah who believes as long as it's right TO THE PERSON- all paths lead to God.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=pwGLNbiw1gk

My brother, I did answer the question. You just don't like the answer. That was the answer. Why in the world would you compare the Mormons with Christians when the Mormons are not Christians because they use another book called "The Book of Mormons." Do Christians use the Book of Mormons? That would be like comparing Muslims with Christians, knowing full well that the Muslims have a book called the "Qu'ran."

 

[Selene]

Sister - you have taught me so much - I love you and cannot wait to see you in heaven - Jesus has worked some thing amazing in your heart. I need you to know that my heart is not necessarily in line with the Catholic Catechism. I have taught it - I believe it - but my mind strays from it at times - this is a personal fault,which Jesus is working out in my heart. The reason I am telling you this, my sister,Selene is that I hope you are arguing the truth of the catholic doctrine - not my musings, I trust in Jesus to straighten out my doctrine.

Hi Aspen,

When I first read your post, I thought you may have been confusing Purgatory with Hell. Purgatory is also known as a place of fire, but the fires there purges or removes the sins found in the soul. My brother Aspen, I am not a perfect Catholic and even I have my own faults. God bless you.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[TexUs]

My brother, I did answer the question. You just don't like the answer. That was the answer.

The question was if it was correct. Not if it was correct TO THEM, but if it was correct.

Why in the world would you compare the Mormons with Christians when the Mormons are not Christians because they use another book called "The Book of Mormons."

You mean like Catholics have the Catechism?
The Mormons use the Bible too. Just like Catholics. I think you have more in common with them than you'd admit.

 

[Selene]

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The question was if it was correct. Not if it was correct TO THEM, but if it was correct.

My brother, they cannot be compared to Christianity because they have a different book that we do not use. If you recall in my post to Foreigner, I told him that because he is not a Catholic, it is understandable that he would view the Catholic Church as teaching incorrect doctrines. Well, it would also stand to reason that since I am also not a Mormon, their book is not inspired by God.

You mean like Catholics have the Catechism?

The Mormons use the Bible too. Just like Catholics. I think you have more in common with them than you'd admit.

Wrong. The Catechisms is our instructional book. In the same way, the Jewish Talmund is the instructional book of the Jewish people. The Torah is what the Jewish people uphold because that is their Holy Bible. By the way, the Torah is found in the Christian Holy Bible, which is the Old Testament.

The Jewish people is who we have more in common with. The Jewish people have an instructional book called the "Talmund." We also have an instructional book called the "Catechism." Their Talmund consist of the teachings of the Early Rabbis as well as their doctrines. Our Catechism also consist of the teachings of the Early Fathers as well as our doctrines. After all, the first Christians were Jewish....so naturally, they would carry over some of the things they have in their culture.

 

[TexUs]

My brother, they cannot be compared to Christianity because they have a different book that we do not use.

He wasn't trying to compare it to Christianity. He asked you if that was correct or not.
Sheesh, you make this harder than it is.
Either that teaching is correct or it's not. You'd be a universalist to say it's correct "if they believe it".

Wrong. The Catechisms is our instructional book.

So you hold it as uninspired and subject and under the Bible?

 

[Larry Conlley]

If I was a righteous man, and you said to me these words "Hell, I would like to suggest, is evidence not so much of God's justice - though partly that - but rather of His mercy. One might, in fact, complain that God was cruel if Hell did not exist. I realize that may sound difficult, but if you will follow along, I will attempt to make that case as best I can." I think I would have to say to you "depart from me for I know you not."

 

[TexUs]

If I was a righteous man, and you said to me these words "Hell, I would like to suggest, is evidence not so much of God's justice - though partly that - but rather of His mercy. One might, in fact, complain that God was cruel if Hell did not exist. I realize that may sound difficult, but if you will follow along, I will attempt to make that case as best I can." I think I would have to say to you "depart from me for I know you not."

Sin, the penalty of sin, and the solution for sin: these are all central to the gospel message. Paul did indeed say if anyone preaches a gospel that wasn't given, let them be cursed. So I'd say your statement isn't just right but entirely Biblical.

 

[Larry Conlley]

"Sin, the penalty of sin, and the solution for sin: these are all central to the gospel message. Paul did indeed say if anyone preaches a gospel that wasn't given, let them be cursed. So I'd say your statement isn't just right but entirely Biblical. " "depart from me for I know you not."Jesus the righteous man

 

[TexUs]

And honestly, for aspen and others holding to this false gospel, WHY?
Is it because you want to make God more "acceptable" to the world? Changing his word obviously leads to a curse.
Is it because you want people to accept your god? Then isn't this self-seeking idolatry?

Jesus was never a popular guy. His message is offensive to most. Just READ THE BIBLE to understand this. And then I still ask, why do you attempt to change this? WHAT'S THE POINT?

 

[Foreigner]

"The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book." - Selene

-- Actually that Mormons that come to our door or and advertise on TV offer BOTH the Bible AND the Book of Mormon.
Like Catholics they claim the Bible is not the final word and that their book completes the teachings that God wants us to know.

So according to these dicussions Catholics truly do = Mormons.




"The fact that you were a former Catholic or former "anything" makes you go against the Bible. Why? Because the Bible says to obey and submit to your Church leaders (See Hebrews 13:17)." - Selene


-- Actually it was obedience to the Bible that make me leave the Catholic church. The Catholic churches teach non-Christ supported things. That has been shown many times here.

Also you choose to use the word "Church" as if it only applies if the word "Catholic" is in front of it. That is wrong.

Do you really think that there is no church body outside the Catholic church?

Let me phrase it another way. Are all people that aren't Catholics going to hell? (If this answer in your mind is yes, then that explains a lot."

If the answer is 'no' then you really need to quick acting like it.




"Catholic who went against his Church already went against the Bible according to Hebews 13:17. A former Protestant who went against his church and converted to another religion also did the same thing." - Selene

-- The Catholic church wasn't in existence when Hebrews 13:17 was in existance and that scripture is not talking about the Catholic church at all. Try again.




"My brother, as a former Catholic, you never understood the doctrines of your former Church." - Selene

-- Oh I did indeed understand them. Which is why I am now a former Catholic and now Christian.




"Purgatory is only a place where sins are purged in order for the soul to enter Heaven." - Selene

-- Unfortunately the Bible (Read: God) does not support the idea of a place where you will spend days, week, years, decades, centuries - all depenent upon the degree of your sins - atoning for your sins before you are allowed into heaven.

You have quoted from Hebrews (incorrectly I might add) in this thread. Allow me to quote from Hebrews, as well:

"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment," - Heb. 9:27 -- So much for Purgatory.

Yours is a human concept escalted by man, passed of as a Godly concept, that has now grounding in scripture or fact.

Catholics put themselves on dangerous ground by holding on to this belief. Very dangerous ground.




"As for the ascension of Mary.....why is it so difficult for you to believe that Mary (Jesus' mother) was brought to Heaven body and soul by God especially when the Bible says that Elijah was also brought into Heaven body and soul" - Selene

-- Because I choose to hold on to a little something that Catholic appear to detest calls "facts." Elijah ascended into heaven. How do you know this? The Bible says so. Jesus ascended into heaven. How do you know this? The Bible says so.

Mary ascended into heaven? How do you KNOW this? ..... because it appeals to you. No proof, but since you can see it happening it suddenly becomes doctrine.

That practice is as ignorant as it is dangerous.



"Where in the Bible did it say that Mary was NOT taken up into Heaven by God?" - Selene

-- THIS is your defense of opinion-lead doctrine?

Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus didn't visit Pontius Pilot between the time he rose from the dead and the time he ascended into heaven and made him wash his feet?

Your justifications are as sad as they are desperate.




"The rest can easily be explained if you are willing to discuss it openly and in a civil manner." - Selene

-- So you say. But "Where in the Bible does it say it DIDN'T happen that way?" is hardly justification to take you seriously.




"If you believe that the head of the church that you converted to is Jesus Christ, then you would have understood why I stated "this is not Catholic teaching." - Selene

-- I don't think your quote here needs further explanation. I encourage everyone to read this quote. It explains a lot. It really does.




"If you do not believe that YOUR church is not the Church built by Christ, then why even bother being a part of that church?" - Selene

-- My church is a Christ believing, Christ worshiping, Christ seeking, Bible believing church. Obviously NOT the Catholic church.




"It was the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit who wrote Scripture in the first place. It was the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that compiled the books of the Bible. It is the Church with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that can correctly interpret Sacred Scripture" - Selene

-- If by "Church" you meant the body of Christians of that day, I would agree wholeheartedly. But you are talking about the "Catholic" church. That is indeed very different.

The fact that the Catholic church either contradicts, avoids, or nullifies scripture is proof in and of itself.


Selene the more you talk the more it seems you have moved beyond Catholic Church to Catholic Cult. I feel sorry for you.




"It still amazes me how the Catholics here dodge and avoid direct questions at all costs." - Texus

-- When they cannot honestly defend the positions of the Catholic church, there is really little else they CAN do.

 

[Selene]

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He wasn't trying to compare it to Christianity. He asked you if that was correct or not.
Sheesh, you make this harder than it is.
Either that teaching is correct or it's not. You'd be a universalist to say it's correct "if they believe it".

Really? Like you were not trying to compare us to the Mormons?

So you hold it as uninspired and subject and under the Bible?

My brother, the Catechisms are the "apostolic traditions that St. Paul spoke about.

2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

 

[Selene]

"The Mormons have what is called "The Book of Mormons." Since they follow that book (which is not the Bible), then they are correct according to their book." - Selene

-- Actually that Mormons that come to our door or and advertise on TV offer BOTH the Bible AND the Book of Mormon.
Like Catholics they claim the Bible is not the final word and that their book completes the teachings that God wants us to know.

So according to these dicussions Catholics truly do = Mormons.

You see.....you are comparing us to the Mormons. I rest my case. The Mormons have two Sacred books. Catholics only have one Sacred book, which is the Holy Bible. We do not believe in "Sola Scripture" (Scripture alone). The Bible never taught Scripture alone. This is where Protestants and Catholics differ. You believe that the Bible and only the Bible alone is the final authority. You are correct that we do not believe that the Bible alone is the final authority because we know that there is someone much greater than the Bible that you worship. We worship only God and God has the final authority in all things.




"The fact that you were a former Catholic or former "anything" makes you go against the Bible. Why? Because the Bible says to obey and submit to your Church leaders (See Hebrews 13:17)." - Selene

-- Actually it was obedience to the Bible that make me leave the Catholic church. The Catholic churches teach non-Christ supported things. That has been shown many times here.

Also you choose to use the word "Church" as if it only applies if the word "Catholic" is in front of it. That is wrong.

Do you really think that there is no church body outside the Catholic church?

Let me phrase it another way. Are all people that aren't Catholics going to hell? (If this answer in your mind is yes, then that explains a lot."

If the answer is 'no' then you really need to quick acting like it.

My brother, the written Bible already says "obey and submit to your church leaders." It did not say "obey and submit to the Bible." You ask "Are all people who aren't Catholic going to Hell?" The answer is no. The Catechism teaches us that only those with unrepentant mortal sin will go to Hell.

"Catholic who went against his Church already went against the Bible according to Hebews 13:17. A former Protestant who went against his church and converted to another religion also did the same thing." - Selene

-- The Catholic church wasn't in existence when Hebrews 13:17 was in existance and that scripture is not talking about the Catholic church at all. Try again.

My brother, the word Catholic was first used by Bishop Ignatius of Antioch in the first century in his letter to the Smyrnaeans before he was executed in Rome. The people of Antioch were the first to be called "Christians" in the Holy Bible (See Acts 11:26). And it was the Bishop of Antioch who first used the word Catholic in the first century when he wrote his letter to the Smyrnaeans.

"Purgatory is only a place where sins are purged in order for the soul to enter Heaven." - Selene

-- Unfortunately the Bible (Read: God) does not support the idea of a place where you will spend days, week, years, decades, centuries - all depenent upon the degree of your sins - atoning for your sins before you are allowed into heaven.

You have quoted from Hebrews (incorrectly I might add) in this thread. Allow me to quote from Hebrews, as well:

"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment," - Heb. 9:27 -- So much for Purgatory.

Yours is a human concept escalted by man, passed of as a Godly concept, that has now grounding in scripture or fact.

I agree with what Scripture says. But Scripture also says that no sin can enter Heaven. Just because you think you are saved does not mean that you do not have any sins. You have sins. Everyone has sins. And when we die, the sins that was in us will be purified with fire just as the Bible says. Do you honestly think that God will allow you in Heaven with your sins still intact?

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

"If you do not believe that YOUR church is not the Church built by Christ, then why even bother being a part of that church?" - Selene

-- My church is a Christ believing, Christ worshiping, Christ seeking, Bible believing church. Obviously NOT the Catholic church.

But you do not believe that YOUR church is the Church that Christ built. I am sorry. But Christ did build a Church 2000 years ago and He promised to be with His Church until the end of the world. I seek the Church that Christ built because He said that He is the Head of that Church and promised to be with His Church until the end of the world. I seek the Church founded by Christ. And I know that the Catholics, Orthodox, and Coptic Christians are the only ones who can say with confidence that they are that Church. By the way, the Catholics, Orthodox, and Coptics all have identical doctrines and can prove Apostolic succession.

 

[TexUs]

My brother, the Catechisms are the "apostolic traditions that St. Paul spoke about.

2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

Answer my question.