Once Saved Always Saved

[Wrangler]

“ Many Commands? Jesus left us with Two—- Believe And Love.

The 49 commands of Christ

 

[BloodBought 1953]

1 John also says "And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we might have boldness and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming."

I seem to remember another passage about shrinking away...

Hebrews 10
26For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. 37For,
“Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

So, these "children" have a tendency not to "abide in Him", such that they do not "walk as He walked". Where did they go that they did not abide in Him? They went to idols.

1 John 5
21Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

Such people, sinners, will be blotted out of God's Book Exodus 32:32-33, Psalms 69:28, Revelation 3:1-5.

Chalk up another one that is clueless about Heb.10.....

 

[MatthewG]

@Blood Bought 1953 That is the only commandments for a believing Christ today, to have faith: Love God, and Love Others.

There were other commands, but those commands were probably to and towards His Disciples, who were given many different commands by Christ Jesus; Though for us believers today it is to have faith, and love.

 

[Corlove13]

@Mark [/QUOTE]
Yes I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN BE SAVED...ONCE BORN FOREVER IF YOU REMAIN IN THE ARK[JESUS].

SAVED....IS USUALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT HEAVEN WHEN ONE DIES.....BUT
HOW WE OVERCOME THE WORLD WE NOW LIVE IN......IT MEANS DELIVERENCE.

THEREFORE I see why the confusion
Where does scripture actually say He saved us so that we can Have heaven when we die? Even that's part of it.

What it says is He saved us so we would live soberly and righteously in this present world.

And that He came so that He might destroy the works of the devil.

One can be delivered from many things.....if one has been born from above it's because they were saved by being quickened to life...
Where they were dead in Sins they are now made alive with Christ.....so the grace is that one is unable to make themselves alive.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“ Works Salvation? I don’t remember ever using that term....I accuse you and your ilk of Adding to the Gospel Of Grace with False , Perverted “ Gospels”.....You are “ Fallen From Grace and you don’t even know it....You May as well tear out the Book Of Galatians which exposes you and others....a five year old could see it....

The whole book of Galatians is about the false gospel of 'works salvation' → justification by works.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

~~ Do you believe it is possible for someone who might have weak faith? To give up on God? Maybe because they have stopped having hope, of or on anything good with-in their life because of something happening from an experience?

Precious friend:
Many {myself included} have suffered Experiences of "weak faith," but I do not
understand/interpret Sound BIBLE Doctrine Based Upon anybody's "experiences."

"ALL Scripture Is Given By God And Profitable For Doctrine..."
{ Rule 5a of ALL the Rules I use for "study" here: Bible "study" Rules }:

(1) Did God Distinctly Say: "ETERNAL Life" Or: Does HE Agree With:
men's ideas of "Temporary life"?

(2) Is God's GRACE Actually "UNmerited Favor" Or: Did HE Actually
Mean: men's ideas of: "Conditional favor" based on "works of merit"?

(3) What then do we do With "The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Of CHRIST"?

RE-interpret it as "the INsufficient blood," which would THEN mean:

Equals:​

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel,
which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2Co_11:4 KJB!)

Conclusion: Only TWO Choices, Correct? God's ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
FORGIVES ALL of the believer's sins upon "faith In HIM, For Eternal Life,"

Or:
the INsufficient blood of another Jesus is preached FOR: "TEMPORARY life,"
Correct?

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Blessed/Encouraged!!

 

[Corlove13]

The whole book of Galatians is about the false gospel of 'works salvation' → justification by works.

If you do not walk in what you are given then would you not be endanger of falling away and out of the grace of God that leads to Salvation?

So if many who have been taught to believe something Jesus did to secure salvation...
And may believe they are born from above and they may not have been. Then what they think applies to them may not apply...

For on the beginning side, one Must First believe Who Jesus is and intend to follow.

But many do not believe they must intend to do anything because they understand it as Jesus did everything for them so if they continue to choose not to walk by the Spirit then Jesus still has got them....

And many may have never Trusted who Jesus is....but rather something He has done and there lies the problem

For, the foundation is Jesus......not something He did to secure your salvation so you can have heaven when you die.

1 Cor 3:11

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

So this is why they understand the scriptures differently.

Their Foundation was not Jesus, but something He did to secure Salvation.

So when you trust Jesus for who He is...then it leads to being born for many....[and I am not saying that God could not help someone where they were in their belief]

However this is what scripture says

John 6;4
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

See it does not start with believe something He did to secure your salvation...But put trust in Him.

So this flow leads to being born from above.
And it's with that life that is given to you
That you can walk in it or by it, that your sins now are continued to be washed away on the Journey.

So outside of God's plan For salvation
Then "yes" one looking back to the Old Testament sees the dangers for those that may yet to be born.

For it's what we believe that reflect behavior.


And when they see one does not see what they see they realize one may not be born from above.

For God is behind those whose mind is stayed on Him.........

But if the foundation has been "believe something He did to secure salvation" rather than believing on Him because you have came to recognize who He is....Then this is why I see those preach damnation.

So when does no condemnation come in to play:Roman's 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

So you see, if one does not see how effort is involved .....its because they can not view out of from their foundational teachings...for that is the lens they will interpret scriptures by.

 

[Corlove13]

The whole book of Galatians is about the false gospel of 'works salvation' → justification by works.

It was when I came to understand the Gospel of the kingdom that this came around for me.

For I had read Jesus preached the Gosple of the Kingdom......so I said then why does Paul pronounce the Gosple as the death burial and resurrection and seen at the right hand of God.

That's when I found that the Gosple was Jesus, and in Him was everything we needed for this life, and pertaining to life; including the forgiveness of sins.

His death reconciled us....[that is a saving]
But we are continued to be saved by His life if we live by His Spirit.

And Most old testament scriptures are about how God works with men......obedience...Especially you can see it in the testimonies of Psalms.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes that is right. That is my exact interpretation, Grace ambassador.

It is like this:

A believer ~ was a believer for a little while, then died - spiritually. - (Either a believer is not feeding the spirit by and through prayer, and scripture by faith and communicating with God.) ~ Something happens in their life they start to shrink back down in darkness, in to having a unbelieving heart again and are not back in darkness, when they once were in the light of Christ Jesus.

~ This may not be a possible thing for you Grace Ambassador, and others here who are believer. To give up on eternal life, to let go of the Lord Jesus Christ, to give up on God. Believers who are seeking truth and are believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and are Children of God by and through faith and having communion with and by Loving God and Love Others through the Lord Jesus Christ by the spirit that in-dwells believers.

~~ Do you believe it is possible for someone who might have weak faith? To give up on God? Maybe because they have stopped having hope, of or on anything good with-in their life because of something happening from an experience?

This is a good example why we need to understand that the instant of salvation is different than the instant of Judgment Day.
Now if you go into Hebrews, you will find the extreme that clearly says there is no hope for one that fall away. Then you have the middle that the parable of the Lost Sheep speak of....What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Once we accept Christ, we start our walk with Christ, the human experience. Workout your salvation with fear and trembling. A person may fall away, there many be unbearable reasons why they fell away. Christ is not stupid. He is paying attention. He knows their heart....he may assign Angels to work on that person....Angels LOL I have seen them. Sometimes they come in human form, a heart felt hug...an invitation to come back to the church. It is not over until the fat lady sings. A person that is saved has his or her lifetime to come back. Then again sometimes falling away puts them in physical dangers and if they die without repenting...then it up to Christ on judgment Day and they could go to hell.

 

[GracePeace]

Think about it. Surely you know that it is the responsibility of Christians to reject false doctrine. Particularly doctrines or beliefs that will lead innocent soul down the wrong path...a path that promotes sin within Christianity and leads people to hell. Our responsibility.

"False doctrine" has to produce bad fruit--OSAS (in its noblest form at least) is incorrect but not "false" as in "damnable". No, OSAS does NOT of necessity lead to lawlessness--as I've explained, inasmuch as they teach people to "go to Christ" (the entire purpose of Scripture) John 5:39-40, and I've seen not a few who bear fruit of this, they are leading people to the New Covenant method of righteousness "The Name of the King [Jesus] will be 'God is Our Righteousness'" Jeremiah 23:6. They're telling people to go to the source of righteousness. They are wrong in their OSAS and you are wrong to say OSAS necessarily leads to lawlessness.

 

[GracePeace]

Again it is one of the extremes...the Truth is in the middle. Christ, John, Peter and Paul talk to the extremes.

OSAS heaven full of sinners...........................Truth..................................Hell fire and brimstone and easy loss of Salvation.
The Truth is in the middle

A restatement of my point--thanks.

 

[GracePeace]

This is a good example why we need to understand that the instant of salvation is different than the instant of Judgment Day.
Now if you go into Hebrews, you will find the extreme that clearly says there is no hope for one that fall away. Then you have the middle that the parable of the Lost Sheep speak of....What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

1. There is a "falling away" which puts Christ to an open shame, and from which there is no recovering, but there seems to be a "falling away" from which there is a rebounding. It may be a matter of degree, but both have to exist since both are taught. It says of the Hebrews to whom he wrote that "God is not unjust to forget your labor of love"--God takes different things into account when making these judgments. Also, was it a mistake? Were you just ignorant--ie, easily misled?

2. Wouldn't we want to think about using the prodigal son parable here a little bit? The prodigal son corresponds to an unregenerate Jew disrespecting the Covenant God had with Israel (the context of the parable is a response to the Pharisees who'd complained about Jesus "eating with and receiving tax collectors and sinners"), then turning back--but the topic here is about those who have been regenerated "falling away".

 

[GracePeace]

Only the children of Israel shall be saved.
Matthew 15:24“ I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. “

Gen21:12 “ for in Issac shall thy seed be called. “

A user by the name of "Osiris" will "teach" us Christianity. LOL!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Of course people can repent more than once. But one OSASer here said unbelievers go to Heaven as long as they had previously believed. That is Satanic!

Let us unite and destroy this Scoundrel .... I don’t care “ who “ he is !

 

[Grailhunter]

"False doctrine" has to produce bad fruit--OSAS (in its noblest form at least) is incorrect but not "false" as in "damnable".

When you say OSAS you stating the damnable form....Satan would love for people to believe that they can sin all they want and still go to heaven. It is a doctrine that plays into his hand. Could Satan come up with a better doctrine himself. People sinning all they want, no morality because it just does not matter, heaven bound no matter what evil you are....

How can heaven be a reward for good people and the abode of God if it is full of evil?

 

[kcnalp]

You can't even speak for yourself...

What does that mean? lol

 

[GracePeace]

When you say OSAS you stating the damnable form....Satan would love for people to believe that they can sin all they want and still go to heaven. It is a doctrine that plays into his hand. Could Satan come up with a better doctrine himself. People sinning all they want, no morality because it just does not matter, heaven bound no matter what evil you are....

How can heaven be a reward for good people and the abode of God if it is full of evil?

Well, I've seen great fruit so I'll have to respectfully differ.

Begging the question--"full of evil" is an assumption I reject because they go to Christ the very method of righteousness under the New Covenant. How are they unrighteous then?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The 49 commands of Christ

This side of the Cross.....in the Age Of Grace ....Jesus left us with only Two Commands..1john 3:23 ....”And this is His Command: Believe in His Son, Jesus Christ and Love one another....”

 

[kcnalp]

Let us unite and destroy this Scoundrel .... I don’t care “ who “ he is !

You want to destroy me for quoting you? lol

 

[Grailhunter]

1. There is a "falling away" which puts Christ to an open shame, and from which there is no recovering, but there seems to be a "falling away" from which there is a rebounding. It may be a matter of degree, but both have to exist since both are taught. It says of the Hebrews to whom he wrote that "God is not unjust to forget your labor of love"--God takes different things into account when making these judgments. Also, was it a mistake? Were you just ignorant--ie, easily misled?

2. Wouldn't we want to think about using the prodigal son parable here a little bit? The prodigal son corresponds to an unregenerate Jew disrespecting the Covenant God had with Israel (the context of the parable is a response to the Pharisees who'd complained about Jesus "eating with and receiving tax collectors and sinners"), then turning back--but the topic here is about those who have been regenerated "falling away".

Hebrews is a very deep topic. There is no consciences as to who wrote it or who is was to. The word Hebrew or Jew does not appear anywhere except the title and I do not remember if they know where that came from. The subject matter would be highly offensive to the Jews. The book speaks a lot about Christ being a High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek which would be offensive to the Jews on a few levels. It is one of two books that uses the word enlighten....a few mysteries.

So drawing conclusions from it can be a little iffy.