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My Jesus, whom the scriptures speaks and preach about, is the one who said “I never knew you”. Now my Jesus is not a liar and He knows everything and every man. But my Jesus does not have a personal experiential relationship with everybody. I believe in what my Jesus said in scriptures, that He never knew them.So your Jesus never knew them?Tong2020 said: ↑
I did not say it proves anything except that those in v.22, Jesus will say to them “I NEVER KNEW YOU”. If you can’t see what Jesus was saying there, or does not understand what “NEVER” means, or perhaps what “KNEW” means, is something I think only the Holy Spirit can do something about.
My Jesus knows everything!
Thank you so much for saying I can NEVER be unsaved! Wish I could say the same for OSASers!My Jesus, whom the scriptures speaks and preach about, is the one who said “I never knew you”. Now my Jesus is not a liar and He knows everything and every man. But my Jesus does not have a personal experiential relationship with everybody. I believe in what my Jesus said in scriptures, that He never knew them.
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Have you ever heard the saying; "the more you complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain"? The same is true for the Word of the Living God.Jesus didn't do the works He did to earn His resurrection but because He loved His Father and wanted to please Him.
Do you agree...
When you make your bed up...are you earning anything. When you help your mother out by moving the couch is your motive always to earn? Or because you live Her?
So no, all deed are not the same....before the people believed the Source was their natural ability[flesh] to keep the Law.....
But scriptures give the reason why That didn't work. And men would definitely have something to boast about. So it is God who justifies and is the Justifier of all. And all boasting would be in Him.
As Paul said not I but Christ who lives in me
Please don't confuse me as a Calvinist, I'm not. No robotics here. Nor as an Armenian, because I'm not a liberalist in my beliefs.And by the same token you are saying Christ made one receive His Gift......So we are all robots with no choices.
But the fact is they knew of Jesus...My Jesus, whom the scriptures speaks and preach about, is the one who said “I never knew you”. Now my Jesus is not a liar and He knows everything and every man. But my Jesus does not have a personal experiential relationship with everybody. I believe in what my Jesus said in scriptures, that He never knew them.
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Well it's not complicated....only if your foundation....is not Jesus Christ....but an OSAS view...which puts the cart before the Horse. Meaning their foundation is trusting in Something He did, as to "secure heaven when they die" rather than First putting confidence in Him....for regeneration comes before Justification.Have you ever heard the saying; "the more you complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain"? The same is true for the Word of the Living God.
Please don't confuse me as a Calvinist, I'm not. No robotics here. Nor as an Armenian, because I'm not a liberalist in my beliefs.
No, that's not what Paul says....'who does not work, but trusts'.....'where then is boasting?'.Oh Ferris, any salvation that relies on us keeping ourselves is a works salvation my friend...
Even if you want to call it a work, believing is not included in the works that can not justify. It is contrasted with the works that can not justify. That's what the gospel is all about!A work by any other name would still spell a work. A work, is a work, is a work. And that's what you're relying on. A work...
We have been through this already. Paul, who does not have the divine power of knowing the hearts of men, could only presume and take every one who profess belief in Christ to be true converts. Besides, scriptures does not say anything about what became of those Galatians after that. I know we don’t agree on this. So there is no need to argue on that here.Paul said God knew the Galatians. Yet, they fell away. Their example defies everything you are claiming about the strength and surety of God's word and God's faith in a person....Tong2020 said: ↑
Of course He is talking about knowing them, in terms of personal relationship as also in salvation. For Jesus said He knows His sheep.
But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces d ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! Galatians 4:9-10Don't get me wrong. God's word and God's faith is strong and it is sure, but only to the person who retains it.....
As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24
Actually, it's not. The pre Roman Catholic fathers of the church believed that one can lose their salvation.Hey folks, you're promoting a doctrine that originated in the Roman catholic church.
And so you do not believe the book of Galatians is inspired, then!We have been through this already. Paul, who does not have the divine power of knowing the hearts of men, could only presume and take every one who profess belief in Christ to be true converts. I know we don’t agree on this. So there is no need to argue on that here.
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I'll take Paul's word over OSASers any day!We have been through this already. Paul, who does not have the divine power of knowing the hearts of men, could only presume and take every one who profess belief in Christ to be true converts. Besides, scriptures does not say anything about what became of those Galatians after that. I know we don’t agree on this. So there is no need to argue on that here.
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Nice Chatting with you...Have a great Day!OK, I guess I've put my best foot forward for now. I'll watch the thread, but that'll be it for the time being...
Hearing is an action, a verb; work, it is. And this denial of necessary action on our part is at the heart of OSAS.
What you are saying amounts to this, that what we gain by grace we can lose by works.
The Galatians did not remain.
Not that scriptures says differently. For I got from scriptures. We just have a different reading of scriptures.Scripture says differently...Tong2020 said: ↑
Nope. While we ought to walking by and after the Spirit, it is not so to continue to be forgiven. Rather it is because it is who we are, having been created anew by God in Christ Jesus.
One who has been born from above receives the Spirit.
So one has been Reconciled by His death because they believed........
But as We live on, in this life and now are alive physically....we are continually saved by His resurrected...Life as we continue to walk by His Spirit.
What you are saying is there is no need to repent...you are also saying that Jesus didn't mean what He said....when He said if you confess your sins He is faithful and just to forgive you........What did He say to...His Chosen, if thy people who are called by my name shall seek my face and turn from their wicked ways then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sins.
Under the New Covenant First Peter Speaks of the Baptism that saves us Now....
If you think you need that exhortation, then that is for you. So take it.Tong2020 said: ↑
Nope. While we ought to walking by and after the Spirit, it is not so to continue to be forgiven. Rather it is because it is who we are, having been created anew by God in Christ Jesus.
I think I'll stick with scriptures
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble,
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. … If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
Yeah there were. More specifically, the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. Are you familiar with them?Actually, it's not. The pre Roman Catholic fathers of the church believed that one can lose their salvation.
Yep, as I said... Splitting hairs off a bald man.Notes: for anyone that wants to search these
Hebrew
yada` 03045
Vs.
Greek
ginosko 1097
I just found this url on the net
I haven't read it all....but may help it terms of understanding word "knew"....
Why didn't he say "know"...instead of knew
YADA': The Unique Heart of True Christianity — Teaching Ministry of the ICOC
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