is doing sexual things with a boyfriend/girlfriend sin...

[thelord's_pearl]

Yes I don't think a peck on the cheek is sinning or a hug hello or goodbye is not sexual

Sexuality is what goes on in the mind.....the body becoming its servant/slave

Can you explain more? r u saying that what I said above will cause a man to be stimulated? Or some men might not be so it's ok and you will have to know 'cause you don't want to tempt your brothers or sisters or else that is sin too

but how far does that go with not tempting a brother or sister, if you go full measure you will have to not express yourself otherwise that could tempt a brother or sister too so I guess we just shouldn't think too far

 

[quietthinker]

We see what you did there.

I always think it a bit self absorbed if I let myself believe, of all things garnering God's attentions in all of creation, that I should worry he would care if I played with myself.

isn't that what sin is; self absorption?

 

[quietthinker]

Can you explain more? r u saying that what I said above will cause a man to be stimulated? Or some men might not be so it's ok and you will have to know 'cause you don't want to tempt your brothers or sisters or else that is sin too

but how far does that go with not tempting a brother or sister, if you go full measure you will have to not express yourself otherwise that could tempt a brother or sister too so I guess we just shouldn't think too far

Because sex is such a volatile part of ourselves and that volatility has its birthplace in the mind, satan exploits it to the max. A thought harboured quickly becomes an action, an action matured becomes sin and sin maintained becomes death. The scripture says to flee the sin which so easily besets us....and how do we flee when we have no strength in ourselves; we cast ourselves upon Jesus...he is our Saviour.

 

[Brakelite]

Agreed on both counts.

Just understand. For a man, kissing and even hugging can "start the launch sequence" if you will, and lead to things escalating quickly. No matter how innocent a kiss was intended to be, male psyche and anatomy can take it like a column of lights turning green, and it can be tough slowing down 8,000 horsepower worth of machine once he thinks he might have just gotten the signal to put the gas pedal down.

This is especially true of younger men, because many of them have been waiting at that light for what seems like an ETERNITY, LoL.

A flare for the melodramatic you have.

 

[Amazed@grace]

A flare for the melodramatic you have.

Yoda?

 

[Amazed@grace]

isn't that what sin is; self absorption?

You misunderstand I think the spirit of the OP. My understanding and observation has to do with self gratification.

 

[Shattered]

I can only contribute to this thread from my own perspective. I readily confess that I'm puzzled by the yearnings others experience with regard to sex, marriage, and whatnot. I divide my experience in the following way: before the Lord revealed Himself to me, and after He revealed Himself to me. It will help the reader to know that I'm on the autistic spectrum so my visceral aversion to intimacy isn't a rarity for many on the spectrum.

Before the Lord revealed Himself to me, I would run for the hills at the first sign of sexual interest coming my way from the opposite sex. This dissuaded most to my immense relief, but unfortunately there were some females who pursued me regardless. Perhaps I was a puzzle to them because apart from matters of intimacy, I was entirely comfortable in their company. No surprise because I was raised in a household where I was the only son. No brothers, all sisters, with an absentee father. I was the only guy under the roof until the teen years.

Those who pursued me stumbled upon the truth: I was scared to death of the feelings I had toward them. Remember when most of us were kids, how we would squirm and exclaim "ewwww!" when we witnessed two people kissing? Well, combine that emotional capacity with a physically mature body and you'll catch my drift. I had no idea what to do with the emotions, impulses, and so forth associated with physical attraction.

I was incredibly naive and so for the few who were relentless in the pursuit, they'd eventually find a way to coax me into letting go of my fears. I was easily manipulated after this took place. I went from being scared out of my wits to infatuation which explains how I ended up being married a number of times during the years before the Lord saved me from myself and this world. It took much tribulation for that naivete to go away.

As for now? The last thing on earth I want is to be married again, and the Lord has been kind to me this way. Nope, no way. I'm not a frightened kid in a man's body these days, so I handle these matters with truth and kindness if and when they come up. I explain it this way: remember the Samaritan woman at the well? I was the male equivalent of her once upon a time. I'm not to be given in marriage and nothing could please me more.

I'm free in the Lord and so when He moves me, there's nothing holding me back.

I counsel others to be careful with regard to intimacy. Kissing leads to all manner of things which involve responses from our bodies... judgment can easily fall by the wayside. I wouldn't recommend romantic kissing to those who aren't married. Be careful of lust. I learned important lessons about that before the Lord revealed Himself to me.

 

[Amazed@grace]

LOL LOL And just to think I did not plan on getting in on the Masterbaiter side. We have fishing tackle shop up at Pomme de Terre lake named that. Things are so complicated and misunderstood, with strong beliefs, that it hard to come away from a conversation with Christians on this topic without getting singed.

True. Sometimes in conversations I've had with fellow Christians, it appears as if at their baptism a sense of humor and the ability to lighten up were washed away with their sins.


Makes for a real bummer at times.

 

[Grailhunter]

True. Sometimes in conversations I've had with fellow Christians, it appears as if at their baptism a sense of humor and the ability to lighten up were washed away with their sins.


Makes for a real bummer at times.

Centuries of hatred towards sex...and the belief that it is connected to Satan...it is hard to recover from that.
The women caught the fall out of that....in a male dominated religion...if sex is evil, then women are the tempters of us good menz and thus in league with the devil....eventually the church started chopping them up like cattle. It is a craziness that I will not endorse. So I pretty much stay out of the conversations ....I do not look good in tar and feathers...it makes me look fat.

 

[Shattered]

Centuries of hatred towards sex...and the belief that it is connected to Satan...it is hard to recover from that.
The women caught the fall out of that....in a male dominated religion...if sex is evil, then women are the tempters of us good menz and thus in league with the devil....eventually the church started chopping them up like cattle. It is a craziness that I will not endorse. So I pretty much stay out of the conversations ....I do not look good in tar and feathers...it makes me look fat.

Not to mention the tar would really, really hurt. Badly.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Centuries of hatred towards sex...and the belief that it is connected to Satan...it is hard to recover from that.
The women caught the fall out of that....in a male dominated religion...if sex is evil, then women are the tempters of us good menz and thus in league with the devil....eventually the church started chopping them up like cattle. It is a craziness that I will not endorse. So I pretty much stay out of the conversations ....I do not look good in tar and feathers...it makes me look fat.

Well said.

 

[amadeus]

I don't really think that it's a sin to kiss or hug somebody though. :/

If you really do not, then it probably is not. Does not the fact of sin come from our own hearts? God is not just looking at the physical things we do which other people can see. God is looking at our hearts. Are we trying to pull a 'fast one' on God or anyone else or are we really striving always to accomplish God's perfect will? We may have doubts in ourselves, but God has no doubt. He knows. Talk to Him! Listen to Him!

 

[April_Rose]

We see what you did there.

Lol I actually didn't until you pointed it out.

Yoda?

Great thanks for getting this song in my head.

 

[Hidden In Him]

A flare for the melodramatic you have.

Only when I'm trying to keep the conversation light. But I may not much longer.

We see what you did there.

I always think it a bit self absorbed if I let myself believe, of all things garnering God's attentions in all of creation, that I should worry he would care if I played with myself.

LOL LOL And just to think I did not plan on getting in on the Masterbaiter side. We have fishing tackle shop up at Pomme de Terre lake named that. Things are so complicated and misunderstood, with strong beliefs, that it hard to come away from a conversation with Christians on this topic without getting singed.

True. Sometimes in conversations I've had with fellow Christians, it appears as if at their baptism a sense of humor and the ability to lighten up were washed away with their sins.


Makes for a real bummer at times.

Centuries of hatred towards sex...and the belief that it is connected to Satan...it is hard to recover from that.
The women caught the fall out of that....in a male dominated religion...if sex is evil, then women are the tempters of us good menz and thus in league with the devil....eventually the church started chopping them up like cattle. It is a craziness that I will not endorse. So I pretty much stay out of the conversations ....I do not look good in tar and feathers...it makes me look fat.

Ok, as stated, when it comes to admitting sins and failings, one sometimes has to just laugh at things and move on. But not when it comes to making light of sexual immorality and dismissing it as inconsequential. Our new member who wrote the OP is apparently not clear on what Christian morality regarding fornication is, and that is a serious matter.

@Grailhunter. In Revelation, the Lord spoke to one church as follows:

12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Now, this means that the issue of sexual immorality is a serious subject to the Lord. I hate to put this to you so bluntly, but by your post you are aligning yourself with the enemy. Does Jesus teach hatred towards sex here, or walk in a belief that sex is connected to Satan? Does he teach that sex is evil, or that sexual immorality is? Does he teach that women are the tempters of us good menz and in league with the devil, or is He simply seeking to protect women from sexual exploitation? It's not a craziness to endorse holiness, Grailhunter, and that's what the New Testament writers did consistently.

I'm also not certain you fully understand what Amazed@grace teaches to endorse her so much. I've followed her posts, and she teaches that God is both Male and Female, that Eve was not fully informed about the tree so it may actually be God's fault that she sinned, that God deliberately condemned multitudes to eternal damnation before they were ever created, that salvation is completely irrevocable no matter what sin a person commits... she is very sympathetic to those who say Christianity is a "male dominated religion" because her version of Christianity is very much akin to that of the Nicolaitans whom the Lord was addressing above.

Let me show you another passage:

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Do you see how seriously the Lord takes sexual sin here? While I think there is room for not laying a huge guilt trip on ourselves if we have failings, not taking the issue itself seriously is a mistake, and a misrepresentation of what true Christianity is and how our Lord Himself views the subject.

God bless,
- H

 

[Triumph1300]

It's a jungle out there!

 

[Grailhunter]

Lol I actually didn't until you pointed it out.







Great thanks for getting this song in my head.

Ya I like the video.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok, as stated, when it comes to admitting sins and failings, one sometimes has to just laugh at things and move on. But not when it comes to making light of sexual immorality and dismissing it as inconsequential. Our new member who write the OP is apparently not clear on what Christian morality regarding fornication is, and that is a serious matter.

The question is LOL are you clear on fornication?

12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Now, this means that the issue of sexual immorality is a serious subject to the Lord. I hate to put this to you so bluntly, but by your post you are aligning yourself with the enemy. Does Jesus teach hatred towards sex here, or walk in a belief that sex is connected to Satan? Does he teach that sex is evil, or that sexual immorality is? Does he teach that women are the tempters of us good menz and in league with the devil, or is He simply seeking to protect women from sexual exploitation? It's not a craziness to endorse holiness, Grailhunter, and that's what the New Testament writers did consistently.

I'm also not certain you fully understand what Amazed@grace teaches to endorse her so much. I've followed her posts, and she teaches that God is both Male and Female, that Eve was not fully informed about the tree so it may actually be God's fault that she sinned, that God deliberately condemned multitudes to eternal damnation before they were ever created, that salvation is completely irrevocable no matter what sin a person commits... she is very sympathetic to those who say Christianity is a "male dominated religion" because her version of Christianity is very much akin to that of the Nicolaitans whom the Lord was addressing above.

Let me show you another passage:

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Do you see how seriously the Lord takes sexual sin here? While I think there is room for not laying a huge guilt trip on ourselves if we have failings, not taking the issue itself seriously is a mistake, and a misrepresentation of what true Christianity is and how our Lord Himself views the subject.

God bless,
- H

HIH, Salutations,
Funny that you think I do not know the scriptures backward and forward and from every direction.
The question is do you and I say you, but really I mean most of Christianity, do you know what sexual immorality is?
Really the only sexual immorality the Bible touches on is homosexuality and prostitution. (added LOL adultery.....bestiality )
The topic is like that big ball of twine that Ripley's believe it or not, talks about. The thing is huge and has sat out in the weather for years and it would probably take years to untangle it. So as this topic of sex and Christianity, that it is like oil and water...it does not mix. So many strong feeling about a topic they have barely a clue about....isn't that funny. The love-hate relationship that Christianity has with procreation. I find it funny and sad...after all these years they have not figured it out.

There is no real way to help them because the beliefs are so strong and have been there so long. But I know it is crazy, and I am not going to embrace it. This concept drove the Catholic church, nothing less than nuts and they were torturing women and cutting them up. No no not I. Keep your crazy to yourself.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well ladies, you see what I mean....the topic comes up and people go stupid. Best to leave the topic alone because you will get no constructive guidance here. Now you know why I usually leave the room and watch the fur fly. Like I said, usually the person that brings the topic up will be ridiculed. Do not discuss sex in the company of Christians.

 

[Triumph1300]

Ya I like the video.

You guys watch videos? Oh, man! What's this world coming too!

 

[Triumph1300]

Do not discuss sex in the company of Christians.

What a disappointment.
I was looking forward to a zoom meeting.
Ah, well.....