is doing sexual things with a boyfriend/girlfriend sin...

[Triumph1300]

This concept drove the Catholic church, nothing less than nuts and they were torturing women

Not just the Catholic Church, even though priests are cross dressing.... ;-)
Have you checked United Pentecostals....?

 

[Grailhunter]

What a disappointment.
I was looking forward to a zoom meeting.
Ah, well.....

Ya, when it comes to this, it is best to have a sense of humor.

 

[dev553344]

Only when I'm trying to keep the conversation light. But I may not much longer.





Ok, as stated, when it comes to admitting sins and failings, one sometimes has to just laugh at things and move on. But not when it comes to making light of sexual immorality and dismissing it as inconsequential. Our new member who wrote the OP is apparently not clear on what Christian morality regarding fornication is, and that is a serious matter.

@Grailhunter. In Revelation, the Lord spoke to one church as follows:

12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Now, this means that the issue of sexual immorality is a serious subject to the Lord. I hate to put this to you so bluntly, but by your post you are aligning yourself with the enemy. Does Jesus teach hatred towards sex here, or walk in a belief that sex is connected to Satan? Does he teach that sex is evil, or that sexual immorality is? Does he teach that women are the tempters of us good menz and in league with the devil, or is He simply seeking to protect women from sexual exploitation? It's not a craziness to endorse holiness, Grailhunter, and that's what the New Testament writers did consistently.

I'm also not certain you fully understand what Amazed@grace teaches to endorse her so much. I've followed her posts, and she teaches that God is both Male and Female, that Eve was not fully informed about the tree so it may actually be God's fault that she sinned, that God deliberately condemned multitudes to eternal damnation before they were ever created, that salvation is completely irrevocable no matter what sin a person commits... she is very sympathetic to those who say Christianity is a "male dominated religion" because her version of Christianity is very much akin to that of the Nicolaitans whom the Lord was addressing above.

Let me show you another passage:

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Do you see how seriously the Lord takes sexual sin here? While I think there is room for not laying a huge guilt trip on ourselves if we have failings, not taking the issue itself seriously is a mistake, and a misrepresentation of what true Christianity is and how our Lord Himself views the subject.

God bless,
- H

I follow biblical guidance:

1 Corinthians 7:9
“But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.”

That said there are those that cannot marry for this reason or that, or are away from their partners and such. Judgment is for God to perform and that is why. I've been in these discussions before and some people just can't attract a partner for whatever reason and still cannot contain themselves.

My advice is to direct them to their priests with the issue in their local church for proper guidance according to their faith.

 

[Grailhunter]

Not just the Catholic Church, even though priests are cross dressing.... ;-)
Have you checked United Pentecostals....?

Well that could be an interesting topic. I do worship with the Pentecostals but I am sure not all of them are the same. What 'cha got?

 

[Triumph1300]

I consider myself "pentecostal".....as far as the baptism in the Holy Spirit goes....you know the thing that causes speaking in tongues....the stuff Jesus said to wait for.....the Power from upon High....

But what I was getting at are the "United" Pentecostals...the ones preaching: No pants for women, long hair only....no makeup....no jewelry...no this....no that....etc etc etc. No uncovered arms, short sleeves....all that kind of stuff that might cause a man to rape you...

All these restrictions in order to keep the men in church in line...some might look at a woman and think "sex". Now THAT would be horrifying.

 

[Triumph1300]

My advice is to direct them to their priests with the issue

How would an unmarried priest be able to counsel a person with sexual related issues.
We all know what that could lead too.

 

[Grailhunter]

I consider myself "pentecostal".....as far as the baptism in the Holy Spirit goes....you know the thing that causes speaking in tongues....the stuff Jesus said to wait for.....the Power from upon High....

But what I was getting at are the "United" Pentecostals...the ones preaching: No pants for women, long hair only....no makeup....no jewelry...no this....no that....etc etc etc. No uncovered arms, short sleeves....all that kind of stuff that might cause a man to rape you...

All these restrictions in order to keep the men in church in line...some might look at a woman and think "sex". Now THAT would be horrifying.

Yes some of the Pentecostal churches do have a dress code LOL

 

[dev553344]

How would an unmarried priest be able to counsel a person with sexual related issues.
We all know what that could lead too.

LOL, doubting noticed, OK, well, in my current church the priests are married as directed in the bible. Although I do watch Catholic daily Mass too

1 Timothy 3:2-5

King James Version

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

 

[Triumph1300]

Yes some of the Pentecostal churches do have a dress code LOL

But they don't have an "Eating Code", most of them look well fed, like the women in the Rubens paintings.
I guess in those days that was considered "sexy".

Today slender is considered sexy, so as far as that goes they are following rules by eating lots and being unsexy. But maybe I am wrong and misunderstand the whole sex thing.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

If you really do not, then it probably is not. Does not the fact of sin come from our own hearts? God is not just looking at the physical things we do which other people can see. God is looking at our hearts. Are we trying to pull a 'fast one' on God or anyone else or are we really striving always to accomplish God's perfect will? We may have doubts in ourselves, but God has no doubt. He knows. Talk to Him! Listen to Him!

hi amadeus, I think you're right, you should wait on God's perfect timing. What I don't know is if it's really a sin if you do sexual things with boundaries with your boyfriend - if that's really sexual immorality or if it's just another one of the restrictions Christians put without considering other factors and that only having sex with your boyfriend is sexual immorality - that I can understand. Thanks

 

[Amazed@grace]

Lol I actually didn't until you pointed it out.

Great thanks for getting this song in my head.

Hey, would a weekend be complete without that song in our head?

 

[Hidden In Him]

HIH, Salutations,
Funny that you think I do not know the scriptures backward and forward and from every direction.
The question is do you and I say you, but really I mean most of Christianity, do you know what sexual immorality is?
Really the only sexual immorality the Bible touches on is homosexuality and prostitution.
The topic is like that big ball of twine that Ripley's believe it or not, talks about. The thing is huge and has sat out in the weather for years and it would probably take years to untangle it. So as this topic of sex and Christianity, that it is like oil and water...it does not mix. So many strong feeling about a topic they have barely a clue about....isn't that funny. The love-hate relationship that Christianity has with procreation. I find it funny and sad...after all these years they have not figured it out.

Greetings to you as well.

Well I'm level-headed about it at least, only I would disagree with your position here. For instance, for starters, adultery also plays a prominent role in scripture as a sexual sin that carries judgment. The scriptures are numerous here:

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

Jesus also taught against it with the woman caught in adultery. He said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone," which is what I teach as well. But He clearly identified it as sin, and told her after the episode was over, "Go and sin no more."

7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” (John 8:7-11)

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well ladies, you see what I mean....the topic comes up and people go stupid. Best to leave the topic alone because you will get no constructive guidance here. Now you know why I usually leave the room and watch the fur fly. Like I said, usually the person that brings the topic up will be ridiculed. Do not discuss sex in the company of Christians.

The fur is not flying and no one is "going stupid," LoL. Just mellow out and deal with the scriptures. You are teaching that homosexuality and prostitution are the only sexual sins they taught about, and my last post was the first of several passages I can show to prove your position is unfounded.

But just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean the fur is flying and they have gone stupid, LoL... Heavens.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Do not discuss sex in the company of Christians.

But you see, the fact that you don't want to discuss this subject with Christians means there is something wrong with your theology, because Christians would oppose it, yes?

 

[Amazed@grace]

Well ladies, you see what I mean....the topic comes up and people go stupid. Best to leave the topic alone because you will get no constructive guidance here. Now you know why I usually leave the room and watch the fur fly. Like I said, usually the person that brings the topic up will be ridiculed. Do not discuss sex in the company of Christians.

I've been around long enough on forums of a religious nature to know to never presume members are what they claim to be.

Males can be females off line. Atheists can become Christian, on line.
Do you know where the term POE's Law originated? At a Christian forum.

I think even in the modern age where God's word floats about on a web that covers the world, his wisdom still is able to guide his children.
"By their fruits (words) we shall know them."
Be they one of us or the POEsers Christianforums.com first named.

 

[Amazed@grace]

You guys watch videos? Oh, man! What's this world coming too!

The DVD version?

 

[Grailhunter]

Well I'm level-headed about it at least, only I would disagree with your position here. For instance, for starters, adultery also plays a prominent role in scripture as a sexual sin that carries judgment. The scriptures are numerous here:

Ya, but I don't think the ladies are talking about adultery. And that is the point....it gets into the terms that people do not understand.
We are agreed that adultery and sex with animals is a sin...maybe I did not broaden it out far enough LOL But I am trying to bring that conversation up.

 

[Grailhunter]

The fur is not flying and no one is "going stupid," LoL. Just mellow out and deal with the scriptures. You are teaching that homosexuality and prostitution are the only sexual sins they taught about, and my last post was the first of several passages I can show to prove your position is unfounded.

But just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean the fur is flying and they have gone stupid, LoL... Heavens.

Ok, as stated, when it comes to admitting sins and failings, one sometimes has to just laugh at things and move on. But not when it comes to making light of sexual immorality and dismissing it as inconsequential. Our new member who wrote the OP is apparently not clear on what Christian morality regarding fornication is, and that is a serious matter.

As I said, the topic brings up a lot emotions and strong beliefs and because of that it will not be resolved.
I have already asked you....do you know what fornication is? I would think not...most Christians do not.
The Bible talks about sexual immorality...but odds are you do not know what that is.
This is the same conversation that goes on and on because they do not understand.
I have been seeing these conversations for years and I have developed a sense of humor about....I will just laugh at ya.
You try to instruct people about things you do not understand.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Ya, but I don't think the ladies are talking about adultery. And that is the point....it gets into the terms that people do not understand.
We are agreed that adultery and sex with animals is a sin...maybe I did not broaden it out far enough LOL But I am trying to bring that conversation up.

Ok, then we are agreed on four things as being sexual sin now: Homosexuality, prostitution, adultery, and bestiality. But the following passage sees to suggest that even mere sex between unmarried people was considered a sin as well.

In 1 Corinthians 10:7-8, Paul declared:

As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell."

Both of these references are not to adultery but to having sex outside a marriage relationship. The first is to the children of Israel engaging in sexually immoral things during the worship of the golden calf, and the second is to the soldiers among the Israelites engaging in sex with the daughters of Moab in the incident incited by Balaam the false prophet.

It is mentioned briefly in Numbers 25:1-9:

1 Now Israel remained in Acacia Grove, and the people began to commit whoredoms with the women of Moab. 2 They invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. 3 So Israel was joined to Baal of Peor, and the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel. 4 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Take all the leaders of the people and hang the offenders before the Lord, out in the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel.” 5 So Moses said to the judges of Israel, “Every one of you kill his men who were joined to Baal of Peor.” 6 And indeed, one of the children of Israel came and presented to his brethren a Midianite woman in the sight of Moses and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 7 Now when Phinehas the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose from among the congregation and took a javelin in his hand; 8 and he went after the man of Israel into the tent and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her body. So the plague was stopped among the children of Israel. 9 And those who died in the plague were twenty-three thousand.

The whoredoms they committed here were spiritual, IMO, for the Israelites began worshipping their gods after sexual relations with them. Do you believe this establishes sex outside of marriage as a sin, or no?

 

[Grailhunter]

But you see, the fact that you don't want to discuss this subject with Christians means there is something wrong with your theology, because Christians would oppose it, yes?

You think you can tempt me? LOL Humor. It is an unresolvable issue that offends people...so why offend people.