The Devil's work

[Amazed@grace]

You...the post you deleted...I opened it and read it

That's the post I was referring to above I think. Though I got the thread I was in confused I guess.
Gee, me confused? That's a first. Buahahaha!
Hey, that's not all that funny.


OK, yeah it is.

 

[Heart2Soul]

That's the post I was referring to above I think. Though I got the thread I was in confused I guess.
Gee, me confused? That's a first. Buahahaha!
Hey, that's not all that funny.


OK, yeah it is.

Lol

 

[Philip James]

those individual temples dedicated to the most high.

Hello Amazed,
And this is important.. Christendom built many temples dedicated to the Most High!
How many temples are built to His honour today?

Peace be with you!

 

[Mungo]

Please explain that statement. I consider it as a personal attack on my integrity.

Very simple.
I said the anathmena's have been abolished not the decrees themselves as you yourself demonstrate.

Mungo:"an anathema] was a formal excommunication by the Pope. I say was because it [an anathema] has been abolished. " (End of paste of Mungo's post)

Where does that say the decrees have been abolished.
Answer it doesn't

I even clarified it later as you seemed to be confused

It [an anathema] was a formal excommunication by the Pope. I say was because it [an anathema] has been abolished. It [an anathema] was very seldom used."

The decrees themselves have not changed.

 

[Mungo]

Prove your statement. Show proof the, Anathemas have been abolished.

Here is an extract from a long article about anathema by Jimmy Akin (Catholic Apologist) in This Rock magazine April 2002

Over time, a distinction came to be made between excommunication and anathema. The precise nature of the distinction varied but eventually became fixed. By the time of Gregory IX (1370–1378), the term anathema was used to describe a major excommunication that was performed with a solemn pontifical ceremony. This customarily involved the ringing of a bell, the closing of a book, and the snuffing out of candles, collectively signifying that the highest ecclesiastical court had spoken and would not reconsider the matter until the individual gave evidence of repentance.

Such solemnities have been rare in Church history. They remained on the books, however, as late as the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which provided that, "Excommunication . . . is called anathema especially when it is imposed with the solemnities that are described in the Roman Pontifical" (CIC [1917] 2257 §§ 1–2).

Yet the penalty was used so seldom that it was removed from the 1983 Code of Canon Law. This means that today the penalty of anathema does not exist in Church law. The new Code provided that, "When this Code goes into effect, the following are abrogated: 1º the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917 . . . 3º any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See, unless they are contained in this Code" (CIC [1983] 6 §1). The penalty of anathema was not renewed in the new Code, and thus it was abrogated when the Code went into effect on January 1, 1983.
(my emboldening)

Here is a link to the current Code of Canon Law, Book VI Sanctions In The Church.
Code of Canon Law - Book VI - Sanctions in the Church (Cann. 1311-1363)

Can you find Anathema in that?

 

[amadeus]

Hello Amazed,
And this is important.. Christendom built many temples dedicated to the Most High!
How many temples are built to His honour today?

Peace be with you!

Everyone that God has initiated which should include all of us here, but certainly you and me.
Give God the glory!

 

[Amazed@grace]

Here is an extract from a long article about anathema by Jimmy Akin (Catholic Apologist) in This Rock magazine April 2002

Over time, a distinction came to be made between excommunication and anathema. The precise nature of the distinction varied but eventually became fixed. By the time of Gregory IX (1370–1378), the term anathema was used to describe a major excommunication that was performed with a solemn pontifical ceremony. This customarily involved the ringing of a bell, the closing of a book, and the snuffing out of candles, collectively signifying that the highest ecclesiastical court had spoken and would not reconsider the matter until the individual gave evidence of repentance.

Such solemnities have been rare in Church history. They remained on the books, however, as late as the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which provided that, "Excommunication . . . is called anathema especially when it is imposed with the solemnities that are described in the Roman Pontifical" (CIC [1917] 2257 §§ 1–2).

Yet the penalty was used so seldom that it was removed from the 1983 Code of Canon Law. This means that today the penalty of anathema does not exist in Church law. The new Code provided that, "When this Code goes into effect, the following are abrogated: 1º the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917 . . . 3º any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See, unless they are contained in this Code" (CIC [1983] 6 §1). The penalty of anathema was not renewed in the new Code, and thus it was abrogated when the Code went into effect on January 1, 1983.
(my emboldening)

Here is a link to the current Code of Canon Law, Book VI Sanctions In The Church.
Code of Canon Law - Book VI - Sanctions in the Church (Cann. 1311-1363)

Can you find Anathema in that?

So, you're not able to find any source that stated the decrees of anathema by the Council of Trent were repealed, overturned, abolished.
Thank you.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Very simple.
I said the anathmena's have been abolished not the decrees themselves as you yourself demonstrate.


Where does that say the decrees have been abolished.
Answer it doesn't

I even clarified it later as you seemed to be confused

No, I'm not confused.
The Anathemas are decrees. As sources I posted state.

You were and are wrong. Avoidance does not change this. And attempting to levy slights and insults toward me doesn't change the fact, you are wrong.

 

[Amazed@grace]

Hello Amazed,
And this is important.. Christendom built many temples dedicated to the Most High!
How many temples are built to His honour today?

Peace be with you!

Isaiah 66:1
says the Lord:“Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool;what is the house that you would build for me,and what is the place of my rest?

Acts 17:24
24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being sLord of heaven and earth, tdoes not live in temples made by man,

I would say we are the temples of God. Filled with the holy spirit.

"I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Ephesians 2:19-22

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

We were sinners once. We are now washed clean by the blood of the lamb. Renewed, reborn, for every good work the father sets before us for his namesake.

Isn't it wonderful? Hallelujah!

 

[Mungo]

No, I'm not confused.
The Anathemas are decrees. As sources I posted state.

You were and are wrong. Avoidance does not change this. And attempting to levy slights and insults toward me doesn't change the fact, you are wrong.

An anathema was a discipline not a decree.

The sources you posted were not Catholic sources and whatever quotes you had in mind are not authoritative. Since you did not give any quotes relating to anathemas I cannot comment in a more specific way.

The Decrees (more accurately the Canons) of Trent were formal statements of doctrine.
Anathemas were penalties for anyone rejecting that declared doctrine. They are not the same thing.

So, you're not able to find any source that stated the decrees of anathema by the Council of Trent were repealed, overturned, abolished.
Thank you.

I gave you a (Catholic) source that showed that ALL anathemas whether at Trent or any other time have been abolished.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am simply turned off by Catholicism because I find within its worship style a dead liturgy;

And therefore I do not even entertain Catholicism as a possibility as concerning how I would go to worship the Lord of my heart.

 

[Philip James]

I am simply turned off by Catholicism because I find within its worship style a dead liturgy;

in truthful speech, in the power of God; with weapons of righteousness at the right and at the left;

through glory and dishonor, insult and praise. We are treated as deceivers and yet are truthful;

as unrecognized and yet acknowledged; as dying and behold we live; as chastised and yet not put to death;

 

[justbyfaith]

You are an exception to the rule, @Philip James; because you at least appear to have the word of God nigh you in your mouth and in your heart; and I have also noticed that you are a positive witness for your faith.

However, I don't think I have ever walked into a Catholic Church and felt that the worship experience was vibrant.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I am simply turned off by Catholicism because I find within its worship style a dead liturgy;

And therefore I do not even entertain Catholicism as a possibility as concerning how I would go to worship the Lord of my heart.

I understand where you are coming from but I have to say that a majority of churches these days are spiritually dead...there is no power of the Holy Spirit moving in it...
And in regards to Christianity in general it has lost its appeal to the younger generation because of the hypocrisy of the members of churches claiming to adhere to the Christian way of life but never produce any fruit of their labor....especially the labor of love towards all mankind.

 

[Philip James]

And in regards to Christianity in general it has lost its appeal to the younger generation because of the hypocrisy of the members of churches claiming to adhere to the Christian way of life but never produce any fruit of their labor....especially the labor of love towards all mankind.

Hello Heart2Soul,

Granted this was a while back, but perhaps it will cheer you up about the younger generation:

Peace be with you!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hello Heart2Soul,

Granted this was a while back, but perhaps it will cheer you up about the younger generation:

Peace be with you!

Thanks for sharing...yes that was awhile back...but things are changing and have changed since then...the great apostasy....however the video did Bless me and encourages me to have hope in these kids...because they are the adults we see today.

 

[justbyfaith]

I understand where you are coming from but I have to say that a majority of churches these days are spiritually dead...there is no power of the Holy Spirit moving in it...
And in regards to Christianity in general it has lost its appeal to the younger generation because of the hypocrisy of the members of churches claiming to adhere to the Christian way of life but never produce any fruit of their labor....especially the labor of love towards all mankind.

It is my prayer that the Lord would make His church holy so that this excuse that the world presents to the Lord for not wanting to be saved might be taken away (that "there are too many hypocrites in the church").

I find that the Holy Spirit is still moving in the Calvary Chapel Movement...as well as in Movements that are derivatives of that...such as Vineyard.

 

[Philip James]

Thanks for sharing...yes that was awhile back...but things are changing and have changed since then...the great apostasy....however the video did Bless me and encourages me to have hope in these kids...because they are the adults we see today.

Dear sister,

there is nothing new under the Sun

I am glad that you found some solace in that... but even more solace can be found in Jesus words' :

And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

The victory is already won! The enemy is powerless against us...

As JohnPaul the Great often said:

Be not afraid!


Maranatha!


Peace be with you!

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course, the rock on which the Lord will build His church is the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ...

And it is definitely true that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.

The church being composed of all those who place their faith in Jesus and what He did for them on the Cross.

 

[Enoch111]

Of course, the rock on which the Lord will build His church is the confession of Peter that Jesus is the Christ..

No. The Rock is Christ Himself. In fact He is called the Rock in Scripture.