Does the Jews and Israel exist?

[Oseas]

Gee, I hope you're not in this group of Satan's children attacking Israel.

John 8:v. 42 to 46
41 - The Jews said to JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 - Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father, ye would love me:
43 - Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 - Ye are of your father the Devil, ...(that is the old serpent, and Satan, now the red Dragon)
45 - And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

 

[n2thelight]

Does the church replace Israel?

Not replaced , Israel has always been the Church

 

[kcnalp]

John 8:v. 42 to 46
41 - The Jews said to JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 - Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father, ye would love me:
43 - Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 - Ye are of your father the Devil, ...(that is the old serpent, and Satan, now the red Dragon)
45 - And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Jesus was not referring to ALL JEWS! Why are you constantly attacking Jews? Jesus is a Jew!

 

[Timtofly]

Not replaced , Israel has always been the Church

Israel stopped being a church, when they became a kingdom under Saul. Just like the church of Rome stopped being a church, when Constantine turned it into a government.

 

[theefaith]

I Am not trying to defend mainline Protestantism here as you can see by my criticism of Lutheranism, especially the church of England. The True church of God has been persecuted by all those Nicolaitan religions, whether they be Catholic or Calvinists or Lutheran or Episcopalian etc.

Mainline Protestantism is dying, Evangelicalism is dying, Fundamentalism is starting to rot from within, But the Holy Ghost has a remnant that truly Love Jesus, and Will usher in the saints of the millennial reign of Christ, where Christ Jesus is the head and the all in all of the body, and not men who usurp his Authority as has been the case through the centuries. We have no "vicar of Christ" For Christ is our head, and we are all a royal priesthood.

what does vicar of Christ mean?
It means Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

please explain this concept,

millennial reign of Christ

it is a physical reign?
Literal 1000 yrs?
Does it end after the 1000 yrs?

 

[theefaith]

Jesus was not referring to ALL JEWS! Why are you constantly attacking Jews? Jesus is a Jew!

Jesus was not referring to ALL JEWS! Why are you constantly attacking Jews? Jesus is a Jew!

I don’t attack any Jew
I say the church replaced Israel matt 21:43

 

[theefaith]

Not replaced , Israel has always been the Church

matt 21:43

 

[Oseas]

Not replaced , Israel has always been the Church

Yes, a Church of 144K - Revelation 7 - the others pseudo Israelites, serpents, generation of vipers, they will follow the Beast like a lamb who has two horns -Revelation 13:v.11, symbol of the two kingdoms of Israel, actually an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah.

Seven candlesticks. Seven Churches. Revelation 2 and 3.

Now there will be two candlesticks -Two Churches- standing before the God of the earth.- Revelation 11:v.4.

There are two redeemers working in this seventh and last millennium: Ruth chapter 4 - Ruth symbol of the Gentile Church



Revelation 14:v.1 to 8

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters -peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues - , and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are them which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men (from the children of them which killed the prophets), being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his Judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

 

[Oseas]

matt 21:43

GOD the Father sent JESUS to save the lost sheep of Israel after they killed all His prophets.

Matthew 21:v.37 to 46

37 But last of all GOD sent unto them His son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill Him, and let us seize on His inheritance.

39 And they caught Him, and cast Him out of the vineyard, and slew Him.

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto Him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

46 But when they sought to lay hands on JESUS, they feared the multitude, because they took Him for a prophet.


Matthew 23:v.33 to 36

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

This will fulfill LITERALLY from now on, even now in the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, the millennium of Truth, the millennium of Judgment Seat of Christ, the millennium of Vengeance, according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

 

[Oseas]

Jesus was not referring to ALL JEWS! Why are you constantly attacking Jews? Jesus is a Jew!

Why do not you speak like Him. Whose disciple are you? Are you a disciple of Barabbas, the chosen one of Israel until today, he which will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? Israel will be deceived by the false messiah, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin - 2 Thessalonians 2,
even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Timtofly]

it is a physical reign?
Literal 1000 yrs?
Does it end after the 1000 yrs?

Yes, it is physical. Yes it is literal. No it does not end ever.

 

[theefaith]

Why do not you speak like Him. Whose disciple are you? Are you a disciple of Barabbas, the chosen one of Israel until today, he which will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? Israel will be deceived by the false messiah, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin - 2 Thessalonians 2,
even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

is there more than one savior? Or salvation?

 

[theefaith]

Yes, it is physical. Yes it is literal. No it does not end ever.

how can it be a thousand yrs if it does not end?

 

[Timtofly]

how can it be a thousand yrs if it does not end?

How can it be 1000 years, if you claim it never starts? The ruling and reigning with Christ is not 1000 years. 1000 years is just the point Satan is loosed one last time to allow those who reject God an opportunity to enter the lake of fire instead of the New Earth. The ruling and reigning continue on the New Earth, and there is no stopping.

This reality stops. This old Earth stops. The ruling and reigning keep going.

Do you force such a claim on the "universal" church? Does it not have an end on earth? The millennial reign is not your "universal" church.

 

[David H.]

what does vicar of Christ mean?
It means Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

Vicar of Christ refers to one who is ruling in the place of Christ, As a deputy, But is also the term of a man usurping authority from the King of Kings in His Physical absence.... The Good man of the house being away this deputy has resorted to beating his servants That have come for the fruits of His vineyard. Just like Israel has done, so too is the papacy doing, By wanting to keep the fruits of the field to themselves, even to the point of worshipping Lucifer in their Liturgy. 4-6

please explain this concept,

millennial reign of Christ

it is a physical reign?
Literal 1000 yrs?
Does it end after the 1000 yrs?

Yes, A Physical reign which lasts for a thousand years on this earth, and then we will see the new heaven and the new earth. Satan is Bound for a thousand years in the bottomless pit throughout this time, and the saints will reign with Christ on the earth.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4-6)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Does the church replace Israel?

NO!

 

[kcnalp]

I don’t attack any Jew
I say the church replaced Israel matt 21:43

Why are you making this stuff up? You don't even know where Jesus will return!

Matthew 21:43 (NKJV)
43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

 

[kcnalp]

Why do not you speak like Him. Whose disciple are you? Are you a disciple of Barabbas, the chosen one of Israel until today, he which will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? Israel will be deceived by the false messiah, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin - 2 Thessalonians 2,
even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You're so confused ONLY the God of Israel can straighten you out.

Luke 1:68 (NKJV)
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

There were no Christians. He's referring to Israel.

Matthew 15:24 (NKJV)
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

 

[theefaith]

Why are you making this stuff up? You don't even know where Jesus will return!

Matthew 21:43 (NKJV)
43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

He will return to the earth

 

[kcnalp]

He will return to the earth

You can't say "Jesus will return to Israel"? The Israel wannabe's are in DEEP trouble!

Zechariah 14 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.