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No. I don't believe that.
Abraham believed God when God told him he'd have countless descendants, and this was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. I believe that in Abraham's resurrection he will be regenerate.
Whether or not we believe Abraham would have descendants, well, that's not to do with us. God has told us something for us.
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It's not even on the same level. If you believe there is a rock about to drop on you, you'll move, sure, in most cases, anyway!
If you are a caterpillar, and someone changes you into a butterfly, you stop crawling on leaves, and begin to fly.
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Do you not believe that God gave a very few in the OT a connection with Him through the Holy Spirit to accomplish for themselves and for those around them what He has provided to whosoever will today?
God is no respecter of persons... and never has been.
There has always been a Way to please God. Our mediator or intercessor with God now is Jesus via the Holy Spirit. In the OT there were the sons of Aaron, the priests as well as the prophets such as Samuel and Isaiah and Ezekiel to whom the people could and should go to help them do what God wanted them to do.
Don't put a Time restriction on God! Do you really believe that anyone living his allotted time prior to the sacrifice of Jesus could not sincerely seek and find God? Only men limit God according to the limits they put on Him according to the choices He gave each one of them. This is why we are never able to fairly judge anyone.
We have always been able to go only two ways. God's Way or our own! Joshua preached the same message that Jesus preached:
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matt 6:24
That is what so-called 'Free will' is about: only two choices, 1) God's Way or 2) my own way.
Too many people try to walk a fine line between them and it does not work. It did not work in the OT under any old covenant and it does not work now under a new covenant!
"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." James 3:10-12
Ought not, but, for many, who see that they can for the moment, they will...!
"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:16
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" Acts 17:30
Romans 14:3-4 KJV
3) Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
He stands or falls, inconsistent, no assured outcome of his faith, and yet . . . God is able to make him stand.
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Riverwalker said: ↑
Once saved always saved is correct. But not everyone who claims to be saved has made the life change required by that belief
Where did Riverwalker judge anyone? They simply said not everyone has made the required life change. Do you not think that is true?
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Once saved always saved is correct. But not everyone who claims to be saved has made the life change required by that belief
Where did Riverwalker judge anyone? They simply said not everyone has made the required life change. Do you not think that is true?
Much love!
It is God that says so......If Jesus died for all of my sins , what sins could I be damned for? Maybe you don’t believe that Jesus died for your Sins....that would be showing Unbelief in the first half of Paul’s Gospel That Saves ( 1Cor15:1-4 ) ...I would recommend that you start Believing it....
Charles Templeton was an arena evangelist, friends with Billy Graham. They pretty much began together, each in their own venues. Mr. Templeton was an excellent orator, and at his preaching, apparently 1000's came to know Christ.
He and Mr. Graham decided to attend seminary together, and it was during that time Charles came to realize, he didn't actually believe this stuff, "virgin birth", "creation", "resurrection from the dead", and so dropped out, stopped preaching, and began a new career.
He preached, and 1000's, tens of 1000's were saved. Who would not have said the man was a Christian? But later, in his book "Goodby to God", he revealed that he never really had believed, not underneath it all. Who knew?
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That sure “ sounds” like something that Bible - Ignorant man would say ! Lol....
Of course this is for the Lord to say. I try to not let my opinions of others influence the doctrines I understand from the Bible. As I am able to set aside my own opinions, and receive the renewing of my mind through the ingrafted Word, I find my opinions change, or simply don't matter.
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A better promise is just that but it is not without a greater cost, a greater cost because you have more available to give. The cost is in what God expects from you out what He has given you. He gave you everything. Are you willing to give Him everything in return? Do you love Him so much that you would be willing lay down your body and allow them to do to you what they did to Jesus? Do not say yes! Just think about it!
Think about the impossible child of Isaac given to Abraham and Sarah well beyond child bearing age. Think about Abraham when God told him to sacrifice that special son.
Help us dear Lord in our spoiled condition so pleased and even proud of "better promises".
Ah, you’ve seen his inconsistency
Moi? How about a little more explanation about my “ inconsistency?” Thanking you in advance....
Moi? How about a little more explanation about my “ inconsistency?” Thanking you in advance....
I agree with you here. Salvation is primarily about getting us safely out of this corruped creation, into a new creation in which righteousness lives.
Our feelings, our assurance of faith, these all have to do with life in this realm.
Just the same, the assurance of God's promise, that we can trust Him to keep His promise, is the faith that leads us in submission to God, so He can transform us in this realm, and be fruitful with eternal effect.
Much love!
The covenants are not the same, but God is the same and He is fair. What they under the old covenant had to do is not the same as what we under the new covenant have to do. Only God is capable of judging how well we have handled or are handling what we have been given considering all of our circumstances.
And do also say that you always understand exactly what God's written message means? I certainly do not!
Ferris Bueller
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That's not how it works when a person stops believing. What happens is they don't want to see the sun anymore and so they close their eyes or hide themselves in a room away from the light.
The people I know, and myself, I think there is more the question in their minds over their own weakness. I know I'm not able to be consistent, so if that's the requirement, I can feel lost before I leave the starting line. God's assurance of what He is doing, that this is HIM working, that my faith is His power in me, this is my faith to daily stand. No matter how badly I may perform, thank God! that's not the determinate factor. Jesus' performance was perfect, and God has ascribe that to me. Jesus' righteousness, not my own, saves me.
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