If I'm not obeying God, I don't think I'm going to be having the same quality of life as if I were. But isn't that the point? We remain children of our Parent?
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If you live in California, you will pay California's sales and use tax.
If you live in Jesus, you will bear fruit.
If you live in this world, you will be subject to it's gravity.
Living in Christ doesn't imply that you may later not. It defines a location.
John 15:4-8 KJV
4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
Live in Christ, and He in you. You can't bear fruit on your own. He's the vine, we are branches. Live in Him, and you bear much fruit. If you do not live in Him, you are cast forth as a branch - not living in Christ - to be gathered and burned.
Much love!
If you live in California, you will pay California's sales and use tax.
If you live in Jesus, you will bear fruit.
If you live in this world, you will be subject to it's gravity.
Living in Christ doesn't imply that you may later not. It defines a location.
John 15:4-8 KJV
4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
Live in Christ, and He in you. You can't bear fruit on your own. He's the vine, we are branches. Live in Him, and you bear much fruit. If you do not live in Him, you are cast forth as a branch - not living in Christ - to be gathered and burned.
Much love!
was God ever looking for or expecting perfect obedience from fallen men? Or was He looking for perfect trust....? I think trust...
So then my question, what is the significance? I see His presence in me as being part and parcel of:
1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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How would that be a contradiction, when that verse says we must abide in him to be a disciple?
By being led into false belief. And therefore thinking you know something about God that's actually wrong. Like Paul warned the Galatians they could do by going back to law.
Perhaps. However, what they are not is one returned to their dead in their sins worldly fallen state.
Before the world came into being God knew his own by name.
We set ourselves higher than God and his omniscience if we think we can fall from the free irrevocable state of grace he gifted us for and with before we were born.
Autotheism, is error.
BarneyFife
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You and me both, John. I'm all in. We're not really discussing anything here. We're arguing. Eternal security vs. conditional security. There's no reconcilable way to paint it. Either you believe salvation is a once-and-done deal or you don't. I can't see any middle ground. This forum is constantly inundated with the debate. Nothing ever gets settled. I don't see how I always get sucked into it. It's almost like a sickness: The irresistible urge to debate eternal security. AAaarrgh!
BarneyFife
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BarneyFife
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I don't do dispensationalism. Sorry.
I can't even repent on my own. Why would I think I could bear fruit on my own? I'm dependent upon Christ for my heartbeat and my breath.
I think no one is saying that it is alright to “backslide” or bear no fruit, for what ever reason. That because one is saved already and not get to be unsaved is not a license to sin, sin from which he is saved from. What it is, is an amazing grace from God who saved him, giving him an excessive amount of reason to thank, praise, love and serve God.
Tong
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We know and so believe that we are saved by grace through faith in God and Him whom He sent in the last day, Jesus Christ. And about us whom He saved, I’d like to share this truth to you.
Eph.2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Tong
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Matt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved
Jn 3:16 believes (present tense)
Jn 3:16 believes (present tense)
And what does that tell in the light of the truth that Paul wrote about concerning Israel, the true children of God?
Tong
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It’s clear how it is with you, your heart. That you can forsake God. At least that’s what I am getting from you. Is that right?
Tong
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amigo de christo
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Let us learn well the bibical Jesus . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
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